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Nickydude
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Posted: 19th Jan 2012 21:45
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

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Posted: 19th Jan 2012 22:16
ah crap, I use megaupload to distribute my apps! Just because of a few pirates, the little guys gotta suffer too!! Not fair, really not fair... Maybe I should think about renting my own server... Money though, mu was free.

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Posted: 19th Jan 2012 22:32
Quote: "Megaupload charged users a fee to upload large files anonymously"


I think that is reason enough to shut it down. Some other file-sharing sites that uses the same method may be shut down too...

Still though, Megaupload was great...

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Posted: 19th Jan 2012 22:40
yeah, because you shouldnt have to pay for being anonymous.

well thats my opinion at any rate.

On another note: Its a shame really, i do recon a lot of games/mods over at Moddb uses megaupload?


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Posted: 19th Jan 2012 23:20 Edited at: 19th Jan 2012 23:25
**sigh**

A lot of older people I'm sure are pushing these actions through who don't know anything about how the internet works, let alone have probably ever used it.

Regardless of whether it was used for pirating or not, that was not it's basic function, it would make more sense to take down a site like thepiratebay or a warez site, but megaupload had a good pool of letitimate users.

Still, this isn't that shocking, because no matter what happens people will always find a way to distribute things under the table, yesterday it was megaupload, next year it will just be "genericfilesharesite300" or some-other dime-a-dozen service that hosts files.

There is never going to be a way to stop copyright related crimes, they happen every second on the internet, but at the same time every second a purchase is made. Who cares though? What do these companies even have to loose, CEO's can't buy more than three private jets? (Not saying I support piracy).

This is ridiculous, messing with the internet, a system that's supposed to be controlled by no one and used for the expression and sharing of other peoples ideas, is under attack. Sad, and I feel even worse for people in other countries/continents. I'm sure they're tons of people who use sites like Wikipedia, Amazon, Megaupload, etc. all over the world and these sites can be flicked on and off thousands of miles away, while they don't have a say in the matter.

I fear mediafire.com may be next, and I use that site all the time to host my albums and music for my fans.

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Please don't let this spark into a political debate, I enjoying hearing other sides of the story, but I also want people to be respectful.


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 04:31 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 04:35
If anyome read some of my posts lately... I have been telling other users A I refuse to download your file while its on a site like MU and B I think you should use an alternative...

Gladly I have my own hosting and servers for now and use that to distribute files... my own creations of course... if you cant afford it... make the money and buy it is what I say... just because something is out of your reach does not mean you have the right to steal it... thats my view on piracy... fair enough you see a huge company pocketing millions on product sales... but how do you think they got there? Oh yes they were up there already and had millions from day one... no matey they started quite literally just as you did in some sense... some from a bedroom (fb for example) and no dont go saying they do things wrong... its because theyre a huge engine and changing all the cogs is not a quick process... please learn business scale before posting about big companies being slow to react as an oil tanker doesnt take twenty minutes to do a threesixty... it takes hundreds of miles and several hours... same for large companies... however I still feel UBI is stupid lol

but yeah... Guys its best to have your own hosting if you need any help just ask me ...

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Oh yeah not meaning to boast but I saw this coming several years ago...
Funny thing though... this was a non american company attacked... I am pretty sure there are several companies in the US doing this beyond compare... just an observation

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 04:40
Dang, these mega whatever guys are dead. They have episodes of shows on MegaVideo! 0.o

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 05:59 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 06:33
Quote: "I enjoying hearing other sides of the story, but I also want people to be respectful."
I can appreciate that and want to respond to your post above, you made a couple of points I have to disagree with.
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A lot of older people I'm sure are pushing these actions through who don't know anything about how the internet works, let alone have probably ever used it."

The internet began with the development of computers in the 1950's so I dont know why you made that comment, it wasn't created yesterday and is not only 'understood' by young people contrary to the beliefs of this current generation.
Since the early sixties you have many different people involved in the creation of the internet as we know it today, probably the most profound being Tim Berners-Lee (Oxford University) chiefly credited for the ease of use and wide public adoption of the web.

Quote: "Sad, and I feel even worse for people in other countries/continents. I'm sure they're tons of people who use sites like Wikipedia, Amazon, Megaupload, etc. all over the world and these sites can be flicked on and off thousands of miles away, while they don't have a say in the matter."

Also, contrary to belief, America wont be deciding if the rest of the world has open access to the internet, what your seeing with MU is primarily a legal issue, not the USA policing the www.
The US may be able to push for this in some countries but any sites they shut down will simply move onto servers in Asia or whatever, maybe even Sweden for instance. They may block all IP's in the States from accessing sites they deem 'innapropriate' but they cant enforce it worldwide.
The internet was designed to be a defense communication network that wouldnt be 'taken out', it belongs to the public now and they wont give it up easily so 'friendships between countries' wont count for anything, not if they want to stay in office.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 06:48
Quote: "“Willfully reproduced and distributed” copyrighted content on its servers"

aha, I like the reproducing thing. How can you upload if you don't reproduce a file? xD

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 07:20
Quote: "The internet began with the development of computers in the 1950's"


I don't think this is at all relevant to why the older generations should understand how the internet works, unless they were involved in its creation. The majority of older people I know (40+) don't have a clue how most technology works, and even fewer people in general understand how the internet works.



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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 07:41 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 08:26
I am not making generalisations here, I know a lot of young folks who dont understand how most technology works, hence my point....age is irrelevant.... I never said it was relevant, though some seem to think so, including yourself. I was only using example to make said point that its been around for a while and everyone has access to it. At least in the western world (so far).

If most of the people you know 40+ dont have a clue thats your experience, most of the people I know 40+ do have a clue.

It doesnt matter what age you are, some learn and have interest some dont and I find it arrogant to assume only people of a certain age will understand something.

The idea that control over internet content is just a bunch of old folks trying to stop younger people having their fun because they dont understand whats going on is simplifying this whole issue to the extreme and insults the intelligence of older members (me) around here.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 10:43 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 10:44
Quote: "There is never going to be a way to stop copyright related crimes"

That's funny, I've been saying for years.

Quote: "Oh yeah not meaning to boast but I saw this coming several years ago..."

So did I, along with all the SOPA/PIPA crap and I foresee us one day losing anonymity completely and having a sort of digital passport that tracks every site we visit.

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Wells, being pragmatic here, I guess there's nothing we can do because "the hand having writ, writes on" (I think that's the quote) so we pull ourselves together, salvage our meager possessions and trudge on along the cybertrail as we search for a new home.

By the way, for any devs interested, you can upload your freeware/shareware/trials/demos/etc to Softpedia:
http://www.softpedia.com/
Although they have a lot of terms and conditions so I was a little nervous of doing it myself. Still maybe I'll take the plunge as nobody can shut them down, they're too legit! Hope this link's of use to somebody. There's also Sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/ which I'm sure everyone's heard of, but still.

@DJ Almix:
Sad to hear about your plight. I dunno how useful this will be to you or if you will find the site's Ts&Cs agreeable but you may try
http://www.jamendo.com/
for uploading your music. MrValentine found it on a thread I posted looking for free music packs for my games. Didn't pan out for me for games, but I have found some great free albums on it which I enjoy listening to

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 10:56
NonZero... how big are your files?

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 14:44
"Let he who has not seen copyrighted materials for download on MegaUpload cast the first stone."

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 16:24
This doesn't make any sense, first off Mega Upload has terms of use policies that if anyone "DOES" upload any infringement to copyright, companies can submit their request to take it down.

Of all the millions of users on Mega Upload you really think out of the millions their's not going to be one pirater? If you think that you really are close minded, think about it it's a file-sharing website.

Seems to be the first act of SOPA.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 16:29 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 16:30
i think MU was not actually complying with the DMCA requests. MU should have complied, because they had servers based in the US.

And, let's be fair here, there was a lot of piracy going on over at MU.


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 16:38 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 16:39
Quote: "And, let's be fair here, there was a lot of piracy going on over at MU."


Absolutely, and they were of it. As for

Quote: "companies can submit their request to take it down."


the content was not being removed from the server, only that specific link. Other links which pointed to the same content remained active.

As one company executive was rumored to have said in an email...
"We're not modern day pirates. We just handle their shipping."

When your advised that your service is being used to facilitate crime, and you're told to fix it, and you don't, you pay the price. "We're not responsible" just doesn't cut it anymore. Welcome to the real world of business.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 16:46
Quote: "the content was not being removed from the server, only that specific link."


And where may I find this source?

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 16:57
Quote: "Seems to be the first act of SOPA."


but.. it hasnt passed yet has it? =P


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 17:27
Quote: "And where may I find this source?"

You'll need to research it as I did. I read too much to go back and look for it.

I'm outta this because the conversation is juvenile. I know they did wrong, you know they did wrong, and they know they did wrong. Picking little irrelevant talking points is a waste of time. All this "big brother" and "they're just picking on people who get filthy rich by pirating" crap is silly.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 18:21
I'm with you xplosys, if that's any consolation. These guys broke the law and that's really the end of the story.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 18:45
You know what? You're absolutely right about it being juvenile and silly ... because no-one actually said anything like that in this thread.

I'm not saying that they are innocent, but I'm not going to convict them either, because there is not enough evidence beyond hearsay to decide either way yet.

I will say though, after scanning through the allegations section on the indictment (points 1 through to 28) that I saw only 2 points covering things that aren't covered by any other file-sharing site or video sharing site:
1. That the file is held on the site for a limited amount of time.
2. They claim that employees of the site gave instructions on locating copyrighted material.

The first point can be ignored - how that translates to illegal behaviour is beyond me.
The second, if proven, may indicate anything from nothing, to problems in staffing, on up to a full culture of piracy - how much of any of that can be proven remains to be seen.

It almost goes without saying though, that the majority of files transferred via that site were non-infringing. Just think of how many innocent people have lost their data because of this. They are being punished right now, with no right of appeal.

... and to do this so close to the SOPA/PIPA protests at the minimum shows an astounding lack of thought and foresight. It was so predictable that Anonymous would aim the LOIC and hit the big red button on them.

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I most say that i fully agree with IanM here..


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 20:24
There something that still hasn't been covered in this thread, that kind of makes me agree that megaupload should have been shut down.


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 20:27 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 20:29
Quote: "2. They claim that employees of the site gave instructions on locating copyrighted material.
"


This is what intrigued me. I wanted to read more about the evidence given surrounding this and what was investigated there. I understand it hosted a lot of pirated material, but I figure for the prosecution to go through they'd have to be able to prove they were actively encouraging it. I always viewed MegaUpload as a site that's like FileFront.

The unfortunate thing is, yes, users have lost their data, I think what could at least have been done is have a grace period for users to reacquire any data and for them to be warned in advanced enough, especially if they've not backed-up elsewhere...because I'm sure such users exist, for example: I don't have any of the files I uploaded to Filefront on my computer because they were created on a different computer (that no long works). But I am glad I chose Filefront now. (Edit: saying that, I remembered my old login details and found the files I used to have on there no longer exist)

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 22:04
I agree with IanM, the voice of reason and maturity, on this. We are supposed to live in a world of fairness and reason. We're supposed to weigh the facts, not just blindly attack. So, if Mega are guilty, sure then close them down but, as Seppuku Arts said...

Quote: "...have a grace period for users to reacquire any data and for them to be warned in advanced enough, especially if they've not backed-up elsewhere"

And go through due process. I mean this happens in a day and a murder trial drags on for months, even years. I'm no lawyer so I don't get why this is, but from the standpoint of a logical person, that makes no sense. And if there was a legal battle going on for ages behind closed-doors then it's an outrage that the public was not informed on the day of commencement. The public has a right to know if it impacts on them.

It's just as well I didn't have anything on MU that wasn't backed up. Thank goodness I always back-up my backups of backups. (Flash drive, Ext HDD, DVDs, PC - oh yeah and I backup my code to my phone's SD card as well, heh. Paranoid? Me?)

I'm not tossing about conspiracy theories here, but I read this post by a sorta-friend of mine and he claims this is a retaliation by the government because of all the anti-SOPA/PIPA protesting. Like they're trying to intimidate people. Dunno if I believe it but I can't rule it out either because this move has achieved nothing on a practical level to stop piracy. It has, however, sent a message. I'm just not sure how to interpret it. *Sigh*

@MrValentine:
Quote: "NonZero... how big are your files?"

To answer your question: Err in total? 100MB + 7MB + 5MBish + (Lots of resources/backups around 200MB). Is hell re-uploading them on "my" current connection (384k). Takes like hours. ******* US prosecutors!

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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 22:10 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 22:11
There was one quote I read about megaupload, "don't upload your work to a pirate site".

Use your head guys. If you don't want to lose your data, host with a company that's, you know, not got a notorious reputation and used as an example of sites getting away with piracy.

Better yet, host it yourself. 100 bucks a month buys really, really nice service from your local ISP. 15/buck a month buys you a pretty good VPS through a reputable provider is your next best choice. Too expensive? How bout shared hosting from awesome providers like gandi. You know, places that charge, but don't allow pirated material. Sure, any one of those providers might not one day be around anymore, but is a sure heck of a lot better than going the free route, or worse, paying for hosting through a provider that is known to not honor DMCAs and shows up in searches offering for free commercial products.


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Quote: ""Let he who has not seen copyrighted materials for download on MegaUpload cast the first stone."
"

I haven't seen any

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Quote: "There was one quote I read about megaupload, "don't upload your work to a pirate site"."


because every site that has pirated material on it is a pirate site?


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Quote: "I haven't seen any"


I've seen plenty. I always find it suspicious that you can't do a normal search on a site like that. It's pretty clear where some people stand on this...I'm willing to bet a certain percent have "unpaid for" software/games/movies/music on their HD, due to sites like this.

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... and just as I was about to submit on the following wall of text, I find that one of the sites I read almost daily recently has uploaded an analysis of the indictment far better than I could ever hope to do.


@DJ Almix,
Quote: "There something that still hasn't been covered in this thread, that kind of makes me agree that megaupload should have been shut down."

Ok, I read that link and didn't see anything beyond what was in the indictment ... care to expand on this?

@nonZero,
Quote: "And if there was a legal battle going on for ages behind closed-doors"

Actually, there was already a civil case going on already. The Pro-IP act certainly made it a possibility that the case could be taken over by the US Government. According to my understanding of that law, the US government may take on prosecution of any copyright infringement despite the wishes of the copyright owner, and in certain circumstances, turn the case into a criminal one.

@Jerico2day, Mr President,
Quote: "used as an example of sites getting away with piracy."

Like youtube, google (linking to infringing content and making money off ads on infringing sites), amazon (upload your music to your personal storage), mediafire/dropbox/ and all other cyberlockers, blogs (text and photos from news sites) ...

Sorry, but when the media companies talk about pirate sites, they tar everyone with a very broad brush - if you can upload anything to a site and the site is popular, someone somewhere is going to accuse it of piracy. Besides, who would google for 'online storage but hard on pirates' when they need online storage.

I admit that I had already heard that Megauploads was in court for a civil case prior to their recent closure, but that happens so often for other innocent companies (eg Viacom vs Youtube) that I simply ignored it.

To be really honest here, the media companies have cried wolf over this kind of thing so often and had their numbers debunked so often that I simply tend to ignore most things that they say nowadays - they have very little credibility left with me.

@KeithC,
As the link I've added above shows, if you have a search facility it can be taken as 'inducement'. Now if you don't, apparently it can be taken as conspiracy to hide infringing uploads.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

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isnt it better to have the ability to just type in a search word

and to be able to filter it?

if i now understood correctly that is


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 23:32 Edited at: 20th Jan 2012 23:33
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Not really. As both Lee and Rick can attest to; I've been sent NUMEROUS links to pirated TGC media and programs over the years, from MegaUpload. The arguments that Mr. Dotcom has used are pretty similar to ones I hear most days on the Yard, from felons. It's always "somebody else's fault". Money launderers don't steal the money; but they facilitate the means in which a criminal can get away with it. Turning a blind eye isn't a defense, as is apparent here.

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Are the arguments in favor of MegaUpload:

1. MegaUpload was unaware of the illegal use of its site and the infringing data it stored
2. MegaUpload did its best to remove infringing content in accordance with the DMCA
3. The majority ( >50% ) of content on MegaUpload was not infringing on any copyright
4. No file sharing site can be expected to remove infringing content
6. File sharing sites should not be held liable for storing infringing content
7. Files should be allowed to be uploaded and downloaded from file sharing sites regardless of whether they are infringing or not
8. Files should be allowed to be uploaded and downloaded from file sharing sites if the copyright holder is a large company, such as Viacom or RIAA
9. No government is allowed to enforce copyright law on the Internet

?

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Quote: "9. No government is allowed to enforce copyright law on the Internet"


how on earth did you come to that conclution..?


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Posted: 20th Jan 2012 23:53
I meant "are your arguments any or all of the following".

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@ionstream,
1. No, I think they were absolutely aware (it would be naive of them not to be), but when you have multiple terabytes of data uploaded daily by third-parties, how can you expect to police it? (see my answer to your next point too)
2. Yes-ish. Megaupload can remove specific instances of uploads, but not do the same in a more general way. That is, when told that 'this person here has uploaded without permission' then they can remove the link, but to remove all other instances of that file assumes the knowledge that none of the uploads of the same file content are legitimate - as we found out with Viacom vs Youtube, even the copyright owner doesn't know what they uploaded themselves - and yes, I agree that argument is a little weak with a short term file-share site with a large copyright owner, but they aren't all large companies.
3. Yes
4. Correct, unless they are notified that the content is infringing.
6. Correct - this is what the DMCA is all about. If you are registered and accept/action DMCA notices, then you are NOT liable for third-party infringement.
7. Hmmm - how could Megaupload know what is infringing and what isn't? They can't know until the copyright owner tells them.
8. The size of the copyright owner has no bearing. See 7.
9. No - they should absolutely be able to enforce their own laws within their borders, and outside those borders when reciprocal agreements are in place with other governments.

@KeithC,
You found infringing material, I agree. However that's nothing to do with your original statement regarding the lack of search facilities which is what I was responding to, or anything to do with Megaupload's knowledge of the material (which I assume they removed when notified?)

I would argue (and do in my answer to Quik later) that not having a search facility is actually entirely in-keeping with a short-term file sharing site.

@Quik,
Quote: "isnt it better to have the ability to just type in a search word"

Why would you need to search on a site used to swapping files between people where the filename is already known by those people?

Anyway, such a search is not useful in most cases.

For example, I might create a file called DBPro.zip and upload it - searching for the name doesn't tell you what is inside it, and in my case at least, it most probably would contain something I'd written for DBPro and was sharing with someone. You can't assume anything from a filename, even if the filename ends with .mp3 or .avi

As another example, I might actually make a backup of my DBPro directory and upload it temporarily while I rebuild my machine (I have several servers with lots of storage so wouldn't actually do this), so that I can restore it later. I won't have distributed the filename to anyone, so it's not going to be downloaded by anyone but me later, and as there's no search facility, no one is going to accidentally stumble upon it. Is that copyright infringement? Technically yes, morally (IMO) no - otherwise it's 'bad' to make any kind of backup.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 06:52
Quote: "Damned if you do, damned if you don't..."

Seems that way, I must say. I do think that the law should make provision for sites that don't have search options and that block search engines from all but their home page instead of trying to attack them on the grounds they are helping conceal pirated data because by concealing links in searches, they actually help prevent piracy. I mean if I wanted to download a pirated movie and I was just-above-average-joe, the first thing I'd do is use google to scearch xyzfilehost (assuming I didn't know of other, better sites than MU). So disabling searches would make it harder for average joe to get pirated stuff, thus making the site's reputation as a pirate site far lesser. Mediafire don't have a search option that I know of. I think that the government should look at reality too. Filehosts will always contain a greater or lesser quantity of illegal material the way any rented storage in RL will always contain some stolen goods/drugs/etc. The negative impact that shutting them down has far outweighs the positive. I mean lets be real, pirates don't need the net. When I was young and into piracy (more for the challenge I guess), my distribution network were my school mates. There were actual people doing it for a living too. You could go to these ppl back then and get pirated games for 40 ZAR (abt 4 USD) as apposed to the retail price of 300 - 400 ZAR.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 15:34
Quote: "Like youtube, google (linking to infringing content and making money off ads on infringing sites), amazon (upload your music to your personal storage), mediafire/dropbox/ and all other cyberlockers, blogs (text and photos from news sites) ..."


Linking to infringing content is very different from actively hosting it. Amazon doesn't allow sharing your personal music, so they don't enable piracy. Many cyberlockers actively support blocking pirated materials, megaupload was not one of them.


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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 19:25
I just want to warn people that there are scams of people rehosting the site, or what appears to be the site.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 21:17
I am glade there gone,truly, They are stealing period,and they know it.It also makes people like me tempted to steal because we are not rich.I do not like having to be tempted with such a easy way to steal,I do not believe in stealing and or do not steal So I think its a good thing they are gone,its a steep in the right direction.

For any one who used them to upload there media for download,there is a better solution.All you need to do is set up your own server on your own PC,its easy to do with WampServer,This sets up everything you need to create your own server and its free.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 21:26
Quote: "This sets up everything you need to create your own server and its free."


except for PC running cost?


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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 21:38
MegaUpload didn't tempt me to steal. I used it for stuff that was free...
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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 21:54
"Taking away" stuff which is there to grab without any effort is not stealing. Even the owners weren't stealing. All the people, who participated in UPLOADING, those are the criminals.

I won't ever get it, what's so awesome about buying something, and then running to upload!

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 22:27
You don't arrest the box for storing the stolen car parts...
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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 22:27
Best.
News.
Ever!!!!!!!

I'm afraid mega-upload don't just host a few pirated products, they virtually became as bad as torrents. I've spent oh so many hours writing e-mails to these guys asking them to remove downloads. They don't make it easy either. You have to leap through a number of hoops to get it done.

Personally I feel with any of these sites, you should be able to register a product with them once, and then have it automatically removed from their system repeatedly. This would make things much more difficult for users trying to find this stuff in the first place. When numerous engines can search sites like mega-upload for a product name and come back with hundreds of hits then something is going very very wrong here. If they at least prevented users using a registered product name, it would at least force pirate uploaders to enter in weird names that are basically unsearchable if you don't know the specific site they are hosted from. This would further improve the changes of linking a specific website and thus group or user or forum to the upload of a specific product.

As someone who writes a lot of take down e-mails, I can tell you none of these websites are on the side of honest businesses trying to sell their product. They use tricks like telling the user they might be prosecuted for putting in false claims, that you must work for the company that releases the product, you must supply address details and often prove your ownership of the product. It's all designed to make things as difficult as possible "while seeming" to do the right thing.

The fact is, if Microsoft Windows is hosted on any of these sites as Microsoft Windows, then there's nothing stopping them writing a simple bit of code to prevent it from ever getting uploaded. The same goes with any other officially trade marked and copyrighted product.

I'm not sorry to see mega-upload go, there's plenty of legitimate file upload sites that don't host pirated products or who pro-actively remove any illegal downloads they detect.
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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 22:34 Edited at: 21st Jan 2012 22:42
I would also like to say, no one should be anonymous when using these systems. If you upload legitimate files that don't violate any copy right, then you should shouldn't have any issues telling people who you are.

I can't think of a single instance, where I would make a video, piece of media, or bit of software and not want people to know who I am. If I make a game, then I want users to find me and buy other games from me. If I make a video, I want other users to find my video's and watch more of my videos. If I produce a media pack, then I want users to find me.

If you're scared of people knowing who you are when you upload something to the internet, then I would either recommend you to a physiatrist for being paranoid, or wonder about the nature of what you are uploading publicly.

After all if you want to upload something privately there's no end of systems to do it, ranging from google docs to dropbox. You wouldn't be using megaupload to send your business records or personal information to anyone anyway, cause that would just be stupid.

The day all these illegal hosting systems get taken down, from torrents to illegal videos. Is the day I put on my party hat and dance the jig Die Hard Style.

P.S. to my mind they should be arresting the box, the friends of that box, the mother of that box, and any box strangers who happen to be standing within 10 feet of that box at the time that box is arrested.

These boxes aren't innocent, they know their business and attraction largely comes from illicit downloads. They do everything they can to promote it at the expense of small businesses. This "oh they are a big company they can take the hit" rubbish is just petty justification for that fact that some users are two cheap to pay for something, and too lazy to look for an open source alternative. I promise you these "boxes" don't care who or what they host, they don't check to see if the product belongs to a big company or a small struggling company, and neither to the users downloading it. The day I see anyone researching an illegal product they downloaded to see if the company is big or small, is the day I turn green, say ribbit a lot and take up a major fascination with swimming and fly catching.
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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 22:40
Quote: "except for PC running cost?"


What,electricity? If you have a good game demo you would like to share its worth the little electricity and time on your pc.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 23:09
Quote: "What,electricity? If you have a good game demo you would like to share its worth the little electricity and time on your pc."


but say, if i made a game, which happens to be freeware

if i then want to host it, then it means my internet will constantly have to upload, and my computer has to constantly be on.

and that becomes pricey after a while.
not saying its more expensive than buying a server provider thingy, BUT
it surely isnt free to do either


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