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Jess T
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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 04:18 Edited at: 15th Nov 2005 03:33
!!! [UPDATE] !!! - 15th November
Yeah, so I've moved hosts a little while ago. Most of you already know, but I never really got around to announcing it properly!
The new location is just below these updates
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[UPDATE]
As of 19th August, the database is fully-functional again! ( although, I still cannot access a backup ).
The features are all up-to-date, and I even added another one - The ability to hide the header stuff. Simply add the variable 'nohead=1' into the address of the page, and from then on, the header will not be displayed
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[UPDATE]
As of 15th July, the Host has been having some trouble with the database, and as such, it is not possible to add new commands. An error will be received if you try to.
Everything is still viewable and up-to-date, though, so dbHelp is still sticking around!
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[UPDATE]
As of 25th June '05, I have completely populated the database with every standard DarkBASIC Professional command ( This does not include any expansion packs, with the exception of the Free Advanced Terrain ).
[/UPDATE]

Hello Everyone

This is an announcement of a new, slick, easy-to-use, online, user-based, user-ran, user-submitted DarkBASIC Professional Help Files.


http://dbp.tgchelp.com/?nav=dbhelp


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Ok... What?

This here is an online version of the current DarkBASIC Help Files.

It rely's entirely upon users submitting commands along with an example and what the original DBP Help files say.

User-comments are one of the main features of this new system.
Basically, you add a comment or an example to an already posted command which is then viewable by all.

The aim of the system is to end up looking much like the php help files at php.net


We have blessings from Mike to do this, as well as quoteing the Current DBP Help files.

Also, Mike has mentioned that this may be used in new releases! ( *gasp* )!

There *may* also be a new French version of these help files, if Ec3t still wants to


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So, why?

Easy Question!
Ec3t first came up with the idea of making an area for everyone to submitt their comments about commands, etc, so that the current DBP Help files could get a kick up the butt with some user-submitted notes.

Seeing this, I thought it was a brilliant idea, and instantly took it upon myself to make an online based ( as opposed to forum based, which Ec3t's was ) form and database to keep the commands together and allow people to add comments to them.

After some work, I got all the basics down, and then after adding bells and whistles ( as well as spikes and horns for the Moderators of the help files ), it's all running smoothly.


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Great, I know what it does, but how do I work it?

Well then, Here's what you do;

To add a new command to the list, simply navigate your way to the "dbpHelp" section of the main site, then, on the sub-navigation bar, click "Add".
Follow the Examples in filling out the form VERY CLOSELY ( This system will only work if you do it right )!!
Post it, and voila! You're done.
That's one more command in the database, on our way to a full-list!

To browse these commands that have been added ( by yourself, or anyone else ), you select one of three grouping options fron the SubNav bar, "All", "Alphabetical", or "Sections".

"All" gives you an alphabetized index of EVERY command that is currently in the database.

"Alphabetical" gives you a list of the letters in the alphabet. Click one to be shown all the commands that start with that letter.

"Sections" Gives a list of the different command sections, as layed out in the current DBP Help files. Select a section to be shown all the commands that belong to it.

To view the detailed information about any command, simply click it.


To add a comment to any command, there is a button at the bottom of the page. Click it.
This takes you to a form. Fill it out ( Again, follow the examples VERY CLOSELY ), post it, and you're done.

Use this very same method if you want to add an example to the command.


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Nice, but what does this mean to me?

Well, not alot unless you want some good help files!

Eventually, ( when I get the time out of my busy Uni schedule ) I will make the entire database of commands and comments downloadable in a form that can simply replace the current DBP Help Files.
This will be a "Use at own risk" system, and I can't guarentee that the new files will be any more helpfull than the old.


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Well, that's it from me.

Remember people, without your help, and your contributions, this system will just flop, and go nowhere, and we don't want that, do we?

Put some effort into adding a comment if you know what you're talking about, giving that little extra help to all who seek it without having to repeat yourself a thousand times


Thankyou in advance to EVERYONE who contributes. You truely are great members of this community.


Jess.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 04:30 Edited at: 26th Apr 2005 04:33
I actually have the word of Mike , one of the DarkBasicPro coders , that the helpfile would get integrated into dbpro , along with keyword updated and all , if the commands are all properly listed , so it only rely on us all the community , to show up how good we are at upgrading things , if anyone here ever complained of the slowness of upgrades , it's time to show us what you can do with your own one !

There must be zounds of commands , so the more peoples try , the faster the update is done , whatsmore your name is written on each comment that you do , so if you post in here all peoples using the help file would see who did it .

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 04:35
Woohoo! Help Files!

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 06:17
Great, except I think you should drop all versions except 5.8 onwards (maybe keep 5.7 for the diehards)

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 09:34
Nice...i commented on a command...

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 11:32
Ian, I put in all the versions for completeness.

I know that noone in their right mind that is online using this will have below 5.7, but I thought that it would just be more generally rounded to have all the patch's in there. You'll notice, too, that I don't currently actually use the Version info when displaying the commands

Peter,
Wonderful! Thank you
Now, if everyone follows your lead, we'll be well on our way

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 14:49
lol im still using version 1.051

but i am slightly mad

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 01:27
Heh, i'm starting to just go down the index in DB's help files

i did
Abs
Acos
Asin

will do more when i find the time...

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 02:02
Tried to add a comment to PRINT. Told me I had got the project one step closer to world domination , but didn't add my comment to the page

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 02:23
Tomu,
Well... what can I say? lol

Peter,
Beautiful, thanks mate

BatVink,
Can you remember exactly what you posted in? Did you leave the name field blank, for example? Get any sort of error? ( Email me with what you posted, thanks ).

Great work, guy's.
Keep it coming!

Thankyou to everyone who's adding comments but not posting here

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 03:07
yea this is great to see we are not only two peoples motivated
i will do add commands when i get back (in one week) for one full mid day , hopefully this is going to reach near the completion

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 13:07
Why is the formatting of the set animation volume I added messed up?

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 16:32
It looks fine to me

If you mean, where did the "[" braces go... Then, I edited them out, as you only put them around optional paramaters, whereas, in Set Animation Volume, neither paramater is optional.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 23:37 Edited at: 27th Apr 2005 23:40
What is your desktop resolution? It is all huge when mine is on 1024 x 768.

[edit] Never mind. I had my text size set to largest works fine now.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2005 00:15
lol, silly you

It should have still been reletively set out in the same way, but just not as sexay looking, cos I coded wisely with CSS and all text is sized by em ( Text Size )

Keep those submittions coming, people!

If you've got a comment for a command, and you're just itching to tell everyone, now's your chance!
Put up the command, put in a comment, and you've helped the DBP Community already

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Posted: 28th Apr 2005 00:27
yes well if you realize what you do is actually for you ,reader , you won the understanding of our work ....

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Posted: 28th Apr 2005 05:40
Yeah looks like I am not going to have any time to really work with you guys on this as I am busy lately ( making an entity example for use with APEX's CSM Importer will post code and example media when done and also working on my game ). If I run into any errors like I did with the set animation volume I will post them as I find them though.

On a side note (not trying to sidetrack this thread but ....
I will be including the following entities in the csm example:

Swing Doors (can be used for fans also)
Slide Doors (can be used for elevators)
Health/ammo Packs
Teleporters
animated textures with code and media (avi file)
elevators (can be used for slide doors)
ladders (can be used for climable chain link fence)

Will add placeholder sounds to most of that as well.

If you want any others in the example email them to me (addy in details below) and I will add them if I have time. Do not post them in this thread.

Good luck guys maybe I'll have more time to help soon.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2005 05:54
hey , lit , cmon what happend to you you do commercials now ?! wow we really need to chat

it's pretty cool system isn't it ? i saw you made one two comments , that would help someone like you helping us , i mean , you've always been there for ppls needing help

right now doing one command in this is actually doing 1x the number of users help , that be 5000 help in one post think of it !

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Posted: 29th Apr 2005 06:20
Pretty nice. A lot like Glenn Taylor's system with Twilight, that never took off (probably cos no-one knew about it ).

One thing I would say is it'd be good to have a downloadable .rar file with a single project that demonstrates the basic functionality of a command. Not sure how exactly this would work with users contributing though.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2005 10:16
Thanks Hamish,
Yeah, I used Glen's system once or twice, but you're right, it wasn't too well known.

I can add in that idea, however, there's a risky side-effect of people uploading virii, and other harmfull programs.

I can restrict filesizes, filenames, etc, etc. But the only way to moderate what is actually in the .rar file will be for me to download them all as they get put up. Which is fine and dandy, but I'm not online 24/7, so there may be some people who download and run a file containing a virus, etc.

I'll have a google for what I can do, virus scan wise, and see what I can come up with, cos it's actually a good idea

Also, DBSpot is down again
Unfortunatly Jimmy's host got the shites with him providing free subdomains, and are kicking him out.
Gotta wait a few days before it's all back online and running again
Sorry for any inconveniences!

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Posted: 30th Apr 2005 17:54
We're back online, everyone

Keep them commands coming, and I can already see that the comments base is starting to fill with very useful information!

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Stupid bloody webhosts. Im sick of most of them now...Only a few are reliable.

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I've added some of the Memblock commands. Is it possible to edit the posts though as i made a couple of mistakes, mainly relating to the upgrade listed but also the tgc explanation was copied directly over an so the line formating is off, just a bit annoying to read thats all.
Sorry bout that

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Posted: 30th Apr 2005 22:09
i'll go correct your command syntax bagger

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Posted: 30th Apr 2005 22:22
Thanks, oh the image commands are all in now !

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Posted: 30th Apr 2005 23:56 Edited at: 1st May 2005 00:16
Thanks for those, Baggers.

However, I just went through and edited every single one of the ones you entered!

You put in the Paramaters wrong ( if you read the Examples listing, it says not to put in the command name again into the paramaters, so I took that out of each one ).

Also ( and this goes for everyone, not just baggers ), could you take the time to put in a decent example, even if it's something as short as;

Which is the one I put in for Delete image.

Thanks, all

We're up to 49 commands, and growing steadily!

[EDIT]
It's all good now
Thanks to Baggers bringing this seemingly easy mistake to my attention, within the form validation, it now checks if you've put in the command into the paramaters list, if so, you get a little message telling you so
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Posted: 1st May 2005 05:44
Quote: "Pretty nice. A lot like Glenn Taylor's system with Twilight, that never took off"


Rob K had a similar thing built into blue ide as well but nothing really happened with that either.

I think you should display the number of user comments the command has and allow commands with no user comments to be filtered out. Commands that just have the manual text are no use to someone who is looking for help on the command. It's quicker just to get that info from the ide help.

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When I did Sprite , In the example I wanted to do this.



But when I did load image it said somthing about XML, ( I left a comment in the usage box )

Many Thanks
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Hehe, sorry for my usage mistakes...i'll get there soon !

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Posted: 1st May 2005 11:56
the_winch,
Good thinking, I'll see what I can do

Eddie,
Did you get some sort of error saying "Not well formed", then it pointed to a <br /> tag?
If so, then I think it's just a problem with Jimmy's apache and/or php... As it worked fine before he lost his host, and it also still works fine on my local machine, so it looks to just be a temporary, unhelpable problem

Baggers,
It's all good You helped out and it's much appreciated!

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Posted: 1st May 2005 18:30
the_wintch,
Quote: "I think you should display the number of user comments the command has and allow commands with no user comments to be filtered out. Commands that just have the manual text are no use to someone who is looking for help on the command. It's quicker just to get that info from the ide help."


Yes, however, there are also User-submitted Examples So a command may have no comments, but may have 1 or 2 examples that are handy to someone

I've put in the displaying of how many comments each command has, and I've also fixed up the "All" catergorie so that it displays the letter as a header... ie "A" and "B", etc.

Also, I did a little tweak to the display of the individual commands, now instead of repeating the command name three times at the top, it's only in there once, and there is now a link to the section it came from in the little box at the top

I'll add searching to my To-Do list, and in the searching, I'll put in a selection to filter commands with no comments Easy done.

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We are at 62 commands so far , the most important ones regarding updates necessarily are the ones that didn't get updated and now some low vertex manipulation and terrain command actually got updated , so we made our challenge work .

On monday the 9th i will be adding some commands that doesn't necessarily needs to be updated but that will complete our collection so everyone willing to post updates can .

See you there we currently reached 62 user based commands / comments , let's keep it up we did great so far !

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Posted: 7th May 2005 02:30
Well...I did these...but then the server crashed or something...right before i was almost done with the entire animation section


Loop Animation
Load Animation
Load DVD Animation
Delete Animation
Play Animation
Play Animation to Image
Stop Animation
Pause Animation
Resume Animation
Place Animation
Set Animation Volume (Ok i tried to add it, but it was already there :/)
Set Animation Speed
Set DVD Chapter
Animation Exist
Animation Width
Animation Height
Animation Playing
Animation Looping
Animation Paused
Animation Position X (opps! Please put in animation section!)
Animation Position Y
Animation Volume
Animation Speed (Not sure if this made it through before the server crashed :/)

Anyway i accidently put "Animation Position X" in the "Core" section...please put in in the "Animation" section where it belongs!

Arrrggghh...Only had "Total DVD Chapters" left

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Posted: 7th May 2005 02:34 Edited at: 7th May 2005 02:37
ok i'm on it . Right now the server is down so we will have to wait until it gets back to normal , doing these is really great you did a whole section .

Thanks peter

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Posted: 8th May 2005 17:05
Alrighty, it's back online... I fixed up the offending entry

Thanks for that Peter Much appreciated!

Puts us up to a total of 83 commands, so we're slowly getting there!

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No Problem!

Ok, i added those last two that i couldn't do

So the animation section is now full...

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Posted: 9th May 2005 00:17 Edited at: 9th May 2005 00:22
we did almost 100 commands , for those amongst you that want to read comments or help on terrain and vertex manip , i think they are there .
icenine added the vertex manip , and for terrain , i think lost in thought did , the explanations are quite good

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Posted: 9th May 2005 06:53
Heh...i did these commands...but, of course, one of them ended up in the wrong section...if you could put "Text Height" back into the 'text' section...instead of the 'input' section i'd be gratefull


Center Text
Set Text Font
Set Text Size
Set Text Opaque
Set Text Transparent
Set Text to Normal
Set Text to Italic
Set Text to Bold
Set Text to BoldItalic
Perform Checklist For Fonts
Text Backround Type
Text Font$
Text Size
Text Style
Text Width
Text Height
ASC
BIN$
CHR$
HEX$
Left$
LEN
Lower$
Mid$
Right$
STR$
Upper$
VAL
Space$

Heh...i have to goof on at least one every time

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Posted: 9th May 2005 09:47
Holy Moly!

Good job, Peter!

I fixed up that command for you. Thanks.

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How come it says "no commetns" for ABS? I thought Peter_ commented on that? (or did these files go down with the site crash?) Might post some if i ever get more time...

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Posted: 9th May 2005 12:30
I just had a quick look... And I can't find any comments by peter at all, nor any comments for abs.

So, I guess you'll have to readd them.

I suppose that it must have been lost when the server went down, oh well.

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Quote: "So, I guess you'll have to readd them."


what does that mean? there are comments?

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Posted: 9th May 2005 13:24
No, no, no...
I had a look in the database, and I couldn't find any comments by peter, or any comments that were meant to be for "Abs".

So, if Peter can remember what he put as the comment, then he'll have to go onto the site, and put it back in, as it's not there anymore

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I think i remember commenting on that...but it was before my Calculus Final...so i've forgotten what i commented (i kinda had to flush my brain at that point...and put down everything that i wanted to remember in writing )

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Offline again?

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Seems to me like TGC would give space for this

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yea that wouldn't be stealing

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HELP!

I'm obviously missing something. Where are these new help files and how do we submit one? Everyone on this thread (except me) seems to have figured it out ...
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Posted: 11th May 2005 08:21 Edited at: 11th May 2005 08:22
to submit a command , go to the adress at the top , when on the site check the top titles , there is a menue telling you add , browse , etc ... i think you have to enable activex or javascript (if you don't see those menues) i'm in here if you can't find it

ok that really sucks the server is down again ...
I think i may mirror it when i see jess online

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