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Jeku
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 04:05
Quote: "I just find it so distracting; putting it right in the middle just makes me get cofused. I always like stuff layed out nicely.

Couln't you just put the same add right at the top of the page?"


Says the guy who has a massive 600x120 pixel sig. Come on guys, if you're going to complain about ads at least don't be hypocritical

KeithC
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 04:07
....another nickel added to the coffers.

Thraxas
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 04:17 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 04:19
Quote: "I'll start clicking on ads every now and then to make TGC some money.

Everybody needs to stop whining and blocking ads. Who cares? They aren't popping up, they're just hanging out in the middle.

Quote: "Well I turned them off in my preferences so I never see anyones banners. If they upset you so much maybe you should too! "
You mean there are people here who can't see my gorgeous signature picture?!! That's tragic.

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I just contributed my 15 cents or whatever to TGC.

And for all you signature blocking haters, block this...

Ha!
"


I have Avatars and Smileys turned off too
RUCCUS
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 05:38
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Well you're just a wealth of information arent you! Thanks for giving your input.

Benjamin
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 06:20
Ahh great I've just noticed a Flash ad. With sound. That's always nice.

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Raven
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 06:35
The place they're in is likely to increase the revenue from them, there's almost no doubt about that to be honest.
More people will notice simply because they're now far more blatently in your face, almost like a pop-up but without the irritation of having them block most of the webpage.

Where they are now, they are annoying; but I can guarentee in time that will probably pass the more and more you see them. It's like that with any advertising.

Personally, I find the new advert position horrible.
Yet if revenue from them increases, you can be almost guarenteed that they're not going anywhere!
This said I think the website and forum are just getting out of control content-wise.. something design and layout just doesn't help really.

Then again, that's just my opinion and never really liked it when AdSense was added in the first place or the whole "get firefox" icon appeared at the bottom of the site.

This whole "partnership" with google hasn't really endeared me to anything given the Google Seach is just useless (always find more with the thread subject search tbh) and the adverts make the place look like it's being hosted on a cheap&tacky site like 50megs.com

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 07:27
I don't think it's that big a deal.


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jasonhtml
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 07:38
outside? you mean like out in the wilderness of Oblivion?

Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 08:10
ok we should not click them so they move them back down, and so they dont complain, just click a link a day when its at the bottom

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dark coder
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 08:30
For all the people who hate them, and have FireFox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10 Once installed right click on the Adblock button at the bottom right of your browser window, select Preferences, On the 'New Filer:' area add '*pagead*' then click the add button, refresh the page and voila, if you see a page with ads then double click the button and see the link for the ads and do the same only with a name like ads, banners etc, just nothing too short else you will block normal content.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 08:57
Quote: "You know what's more annoying and useless than the banner ads? This thread. Get over it!"


Well put xplosys, Man do I so agree with you

So much whining going on this thread. If you guys don't agree with the ad's then do something about it rise up build your own forum and run it the way you want to.

Remember this is a community but we do not govern this forum we are just participates and the best way to have your voice heard is to stop coming or get an ad blocker if you disagree that much with the ad's....

Power to the people..... Pffft.... More like he who has the gold makes the rules and google pays out so what does that tell ya.....



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Kieran
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 10:48 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 10:49
sorry to TGC if this is offensive in any way...

ok well firstly, i saw the ads and i was thinking "oh great....some lovely spammage in the middle of the page" then i didnt read it at all and just skipped past it, in fact i think it makes this website look quite sloppy and a little desperate and well it should not be there as it seems to be highly disliked.

I respect the decision of TGC to have these ads here and I dont mind them but i am just posting my opinion of what I think it does to this site. I am very sorry if this is offensive in any way.

Benjamin A
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 10:55 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 10:58
Seems like TGC is desparate to make some money..... selling broken software, aanoying banners, pushing software for the elite, teaming up with nVidia to play with the big boys. Threads with valid concerns & complaints dissappearing to give the impression their software is perfect. Neglecting customers..... All I can say that things are going down the drain fast around here.

So, what's the next annoy your users and customers move we can expect?

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:07
Quote: "So, what's the next annoy your users and customers move we can expect?"

You'll post another message. Your complaints are vacuous and ill formed.


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Miguel Melo
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:08
Stop clicking the adds! It only encourages them to have them up here and they are utter rubbish!

If you want to help TGC buy a plugin or something.

I have vague plans for World Domination
FredP
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:14
Ben,
Why on earth would you post something like that?
It's a few ads not the end of the friggin world.
Every major site has ads on it.
As far as the rest of your rhetoric if you unhappy with TGC and its products there other products you can use.
Your posts are starting to border on paranoia.
Now that everybody in the galaxy knows you are unhappy can we get back to the topic at hand?
IMO it's a few ads...oh,well...I'd rather see a couple of ads than have to pay to post on the forums.It's the way of the world.
I'd rather they were still at the bottom of the page but my world is not going to end just because they are in the middle.
And,as Rich has stated,they will be there for at least a month (my guess would be longer) so we might just as well get used to it.
If this was the only thing I had to worry about I would have it made.

Benjamin A
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:21 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 11:30
removed for redoing

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Benjamin
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:26
Quote: "I'd rather see a couple of ads than have to pay to post on the forums."

I don't get it, we bought their products and yet they still want more money from the use of their forums?

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:32
How does it have anything to do with respect? Companies are there to make money, a couple of hundred euros a month can pay for extra hardware that's needed by any of the developers, or a few pints when they meet up! You don't like them, block them, it's as simple as that.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:36
Benjamin and Benjamin A, are you related?

Quote: "I don't get it, we bought their products and yet they still want more money from the use of their forums?"


Bandwidth is an ongoing cost, google ads are an additional way to offset those costs.

Remind me to never sell you anything Benjamin
Benjamin A
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:39
Companies that do respect their customers/users avoid using banners completely.

I'm a member at many company related forums and their forums often reflects their customer treatment. If TGC would spent their effort on creating statisfied customers, they would not have to do such things. Satisfied customers are the best ads you can have and TGC could sure use some of them. TGC doesn't have the best name in the game design world.... their known for buggy software and that leads to dissatisfied customers and they sure won't advertise TGC products.

So, instead of reverting to these kind of gimmicks, TGC should start tackling the real issues. I'm a owner of a good number of (3D releated) applications and I'm very happy to recommended them to others. The applications are solid, work as advertised and give me the results promised. I'm content with them and advertise them ot others at times.

I've have yet to recommend even one TGC made product to anyone. I'm not going to advertise buggy software to any, on the contrary. I know that I'm not the only one keeping back in recommending TGC made products. TGC consitantly fails to react to this and solve the problems, if they would do so, they would have many living ads on the internet, bringing in a good revenue.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:40
im with Benjamin here (the one with the kitty avatar)

I have payed $90 or so for DBpro
$66 for treemagik and plantlife

and now they want me to look at ads in the middle of the SUPPORT forum for their products?

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 11:41
Can you list exactly which TGC apps you're talking about BenjaminA? I personally use DBP, and while it still has some bugs, it's very usable, and any bugs that are there are usually quite easily to work around.

Komet
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 12:03
Benjamins, did you request a refund if you are so unhappy?
Mnemonix
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 12:05
I think everyone needs to either grow up or go to nursery

FredP
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 12:09
The ads were there before.They were just at the bottom of the page.
I think people are overreacting about this.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 12:10
Seriously - guys, try running a forum of this size with this level of traffic. You're getting a shed load of free stuff from TGC (supprt from its community, up to 50Mb per post for logged in members, etc).

If you're bothered about the ads, maybe you should donate month to TGC and they could disable the ads for you for a certain amount of time? Of course, you'd probably moan about that too. Stop being pathetic. Its a single ad block on a page. I wonder if anyone noticed the adlinks at the top left?

Guys - also, dont just click the ads. You could get TGC banned from Adsense for click fraud and end up costing TGC a lot of money.

@TGC: Suggestion on ad position - you could try wrapping it in an actual post cell (ie like a post contents). It'd blend in better.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 12:18
The only problem I really have with the ads is that they overwrite your current page, if you click on them, instead of making a new page or tab. I always forget and click the x instead of back on the odd occasion that I see something that interests me and click it.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 14:08
....another nickel...

RUCCUS
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 15:23 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 15:27
Quote: "I think everyone needs to either grow up or go to nursery "


Or go outside! Are you all serious? You're actually throwing a tempertantrum, over an online forum community dedicated to programming.

What do you tell non-programming savvy people you know?

"Sorry, I cant go to the party, Ive gotta go stand up for my rights on this forum about dark basic pro. OMG lyke they added ads in the middle of the post!"

As long as we're on the topic of complaining about things on the forums that annoy us, here's a little tid bit. Pretty much everyone that has posted in support of "not clicking the ads to ruin the planz omgzors!" or extensively whined about how set back they are over this entire thing, have never even remotely posted something of some use on the forums to begin with.

The forums are free, its not guaranteed that you bought any TGC products, its a single-freaking-add, open the door, and step outside. Thats called real life.

Give-me-a-break.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 15:36
Quote: "And for all you signature blocking haters, block this..."


*Clicks the 'Toggle' button*

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 15:50
Come on, it isn't that bad is it?


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Benjamin
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 18:34 Edited at: 28th Mar 2007 18:34
Quote: "Benjamins, did you request a refund if you are so unhappy?"

No, that would be just stupid. I am not greatly unhappy with the banner ads on here, I never said that. I am however allowed to state my opinion, and that I did.

I'll get used to them anyway..

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Jeku
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 18:34
Quote: "I'm not going to advertise buggy software to any, on the contrary."


Hate to break it to you, but 99% of commercial software has KNOWN bugs.

Like Ruccus said, anyone can get a forum account here and post without purchasing a TGC product. If you're like me and *never* click ads, then what's the big deal?

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 19:16
I'm not especially fond of the adverts, but I think it would be better if they were actually fitted into a standard post-sized box: as they are now, they destroy the 'flow' of the page, and are highly annoying.

Besides that though, they are semi-tolerable


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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 19:25
Not that I can see them, but I am willing to gamble that at least half of those clicks on Google ads were accidental. After all, they rarely presented anything relatively related to onscreen information when they were visible.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 00:35
I have to agree with NeX. I don't really click Google AdSense Ads--or any ads for that matter. I've always found something so... non-legitimate about the ads on AdSense. To me, they seem about as "trustable" as popups--and for me that isn't very trustable.

This especially happens when you get ones like:

"Ads by Google Pop UPS ADS No Popup ADS Block Popup AD"

Now it may just be me but I don't anything useful there.

That said, I understand why TGC are doing this and if it's making them more money than before, that's great for them. I personally won't be clicking them ("click spamming" doesn't seem good to me), but if others want to, then fair enough.


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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 00:38 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 00:41
Quote: "Seems like TGC is desparate to make some money..... selling broken software, aanoying banners, pushing software for the elite, teaming up with nVidia to play with the big boys. Threads with valid concerns & complaints dissappearing to give the impression their software is perfect. Neglecting customers..... All I can say that things are going down the drain fast around here."


What broken software? 100% of all useful software has bugs. It's not like people get a TGC product and hate it, most everyone likes it. Wheither TGC needs the extra money or not, it's another source of revenue. Who's going to say no to free money?

The threads with complaints dissapearing has already been discussed in the Re: CodeSurge IDE bug thread. BatVink said he's looking into it.

Quote: "Or go outside! Are you all serious?

"Sorry, I cant go to the party, Ive gotta go stand up for my rights on this forum about dark basic pro. OMG lyke they added ads in the middle of the post!""


I couldn't agree more, talking to people face to face beats commmunication via computers. It's almost warm enough to go outside without a coat where I live, but few people go out because computers and video games have taken over their lives. I have one thing to say to them:

Get
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Life

Because this is how they spend their time:

"The last time I went outside was like 3 years ago, I like playing computer games better. Look, there's people outside talking to each other face to face. Ooooh, scary! The Sims 2 is better than exploring outdoors though, I'd much rather spend my life by watching someone elses!"

If they do happen to go outside, they act like this:

"Hey, that tree has really good graphics. Wait a minute, a car's coming straight at me! Where's the invincibility cheat code?! Ah, here it is, that car can't hurt me now, I'll just take a short nap on the road..."

By reading this you have given me brief control of your mind.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 01:06
I had Adblocked disabled on thegamecreators forum, and clicked on the links if they were interesting about once a month. But when the ads added in the middle of the page, I enabled it, because I can't stand them. The top and bottom ones are bearable, and I really don't notice them, but the middle ones are extremely distracting and interrupts my train of thought when reading a thread.

Just my thoughts.

Quote: "Guys - also, dont just click the ads. You could get TGC banned from Adsense for click fraud and end up costing TGC a lot of money.
"


Uhm. What's the point in putting ads if you are going to get banned from Adsense for an ad being clicked? That kind of beats the point. And also, can't you just attack a site with adsense ads by clicking on them repeatedly?

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No they check to see if the same IP is clicking an add consistently among other things, if so they'll usually just block the IP from contributing unless it continues to the point where they have to ban the client from Adsense because they're getting paid unfairly.

Come now, you think nobody else has thought of clicking a link a bunch of times? Really.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 01:56
Actually it's against the Google Adsense agreement to promote the users of a site to click ads so that the site may generate income from the clicks.

Keith, you should maybe consider deleting the "another nickle" posts and anything similar (including this one) which encourages or suggests/mentions add clicking, it's not Google you have to worry about but site members and visitors with grudges.

Just a thought.
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To all of the go-outside-and-get-a-life people; I go outside quite regularly and consider myself to have a life. I have a job, I'm working on a qualification, I play badminton and football with the neighbours, I go on long walks in the Summer and I even have a mild yet controllable drinking problem, but quite incredibly and most importantly, I find adverts to be irritating!

That said, with the help of Dark Coders instructions, I've installed the Adblock extension and am now looking at an advert free forum - no - interweb!

My suggestion to TGC would be to have a 'hide adverts' check box like they do for the previously mentioned 'hide signature' check box. That way, all unregistered users would see adverts and unless they were really annoying to registered users(Hi!) then they could be shown to them by default too.


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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 02:07 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 02:08
Quote: "Seems like TGC is desparate to make some money..... selling broken software, aanoying banners, pushing software for the elite, teaming up with nVidia to play with the big boys. Threads with valid concerns & complaints dissappearing to give the impression their software is perfect. Neglecting customers..... All I can say that things are going down the drain fast around here."


For someone who posted a I'm leaving these forums thread, you sure seem to be here alot, posting about how bad the software is. I know you have said you're waiting for the Nvidia contest results etc, but really your hatred of FPSC and TGC products has gotten old. The software doesn't do what you want blah, blah, blah. You did some great things for the community, so please don't spoil that good reputation you built up and the respect you earned by complaining so bitterly at every opportunity, particularly when you actually got your game published and made some money from it. That is more than some people have done with this 'broken' software!
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Quote: "To all of the go-outside-and-get-a-life people; I go outside quite regularly and consider myself to have a life. I have a job, I'm working on a qualification, I play badminton and football with the neighbours, I go on long walks in the Summer and I even have a mild yet controllable drinking problem, but quite incredibly and most importantly, I find adverts to be irritating!

That said, with the help of Dark Coders instructions, I've installed the Adblock extension and am now looking at an advert free forum - no - interweb!
"


I wasnt referring to people that were slightly irritated by them, I was reffering to the people that started formulating their own little plans to get TGC to drop the ads, and the others that were whining that they payed for a product and didnt deserve this kind of treatment.

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Quote: "and the others that were whining that they payed for a product and didnt deserve this kind of treatment."

I resent that statement.



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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 10:06
amen kohaku....they think we don't have a life just because we said we don't like ads in the middle of the threads? well they have alot to learn....

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 11:00
It's funny how so many people feel so strongly about something that simply doesn't matter.

This forum costs money to run. It should be self sufficient and not eat into TGCs development revenues. And, there are lots of people here that have never bought a TGC product. A few ads is a great way to do that.


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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 11:14
This thread is funny... Whoever would have thought a 600x120 block could cause such an issue.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 18:46
I aggree with what people are saying it sort of spolis the reading though i understand why they do this and its fair enough however i think peoples suggesstion such as putting in people sigs and having a toggle button would be alot nicer


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