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sp3ng
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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 05:52



I am starting this thread after just finishing HL2:episode 1 (Awsome, cant wait for episode 2), I thought that everyone here who enjoys the series can post things such as:
- hidden story events\hints
- hidden easter eggs
- disscussion on the game
- WTF is with Gman
- your theory on the story
- etc.

i'll start with my theory as to part of the story:

i think that all if not most of the story revolves around the gman, for those who have been onto the episode 1 page: http://ep1.half-life2.com
you might have noticed this overview of the story as proof of my theory:
Quote: "
The Story Continues
In Half-Life, the G-Man made you. In Half-Life 2, he used you to defeat Dr. Breen and start the Resistance. In Episode One, he's lost control.
"


thats it for me at the moment, who's next?

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Here is a cool code:
sv_cheats 1 (of course)
hopwire_vortex 1
Then you type
give weapon_hopwire
The new grenade you get will look like a roller mine when you throw it, and it will not explode until you hit the throw button again. This is because it is a blackhole grenade, it sucks everything in that is around it, so be careful that Alyx or you (because the game will crash) are no where near it when it goes off...its lots of fun.

I also think it would be strange if the G-man were you or like you father from the future and or alternate universe, trying to help you along.

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 05:57
just like starwars eh,
I have heard that he is not from earth though and that probably would explain his speech impediment, dont you agree?

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 05:59
Unless he was in some horrible accident which left his personality horribly creepy...haha, no really, your probably right ha, ah well, a man can dream....a man can dream. But try that code out, its really bomb, just don't let Alyx near it when it goes off...

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 06:15 Edited at: 10th Apr 2007 06:15
Oh, I love half-life, its story is told so well in the games. Every time I hear the intro to hl2 I get shivers up my spine. But, yea, here's my theory.

The gman is clearly a interdeminsional traveler who can control time and space. Sounds like he's pretty unstoppable until we see those vortigones in ep. 1. Either the gman is the puppet behind the whole vortigone/combine/earth war or he's just in to see what he can get out of it.

Either way, he's probably not human. If the combine can change their form, I see no reason why the gman can't be pretty much anything. The fact that the gman looks like gordon freeman is cool, but I'd be disappointed if it's gordon from the future or something silly like that. Besides, the vortigones wouldn't stop him if he was a future gordon.

So yea, bring on ep.2 because I want to know more!!!

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 06:17
Yeah, they even have the same color eyes, Grodon-freeMan

Hes just like Doctor Who haha.

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 06:23
the new, best quote ever: "Wake up, Wake up and, smell the ashes"
do you meant that the Gman looks like gordon in half-life 1 or 2 (i didnt notice that in either) or both

heres some pop trivia for you:
valve also had the story for half-life 2 done when they were making HL1!!! they just didnt have the technology to make it

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 06:23 Edited at: 10th Apr 2007 06:25
http://www.blackmesasource.com/

Speaking of half-life, this is a mod for the original that's being made. It's called Black Mesa and man does it look sweet. Too bad it'll probably be done when I'm out of college .

Quote: "Hes just like Doctor Who haha."


But Doctor Who isn't a creepy blue suit guy that speaks with a lisp. And has a polic box, so I'd say DW wins overall.

Quote: "the new, best quote ever: "Wake up, Wake up and, smell the ashes"
do you meant that the Gman looks like gordon in half-life 1 or 2 (i didnt notice that in either) or both"


One of my favorite quotes too. In both, actually. If you look at a comparison:


In hl1, if you type thirdperson in the console you can see what gordon looks like. The model is similar to the gman model imo.

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awsome, HL1 with much better graphics, and something else?, i dont have time at the moment to read it all though

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 07:47
Quote: "- WTF is with Gman"


duh, he's gordon's pimp!


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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 08:28
no i meant how he pops up everywhere
place ive seen him in hl2:
- on the dam wall up from black mesa east
- on a television in anticitizen one (i think)
- talking to a rebel in highway 17 (you look through some combine binoculars and see him)

if anyone wants too add to this feel free

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 09:14
when you get to the far saide of raven, in HL2, you can see him up on a hill...

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 10:01
Quote: "In both, actually. If you look at a comparison:"


And they don't even mention the green eyes... interesting.


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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 10:34 Edited at: 10th Apr 2007 10:35
Quote: "And they don't even mention the green eyes... interesting."


that seem to be very shiny on gordon and very wet on the gman
also they both look very sleep deprived (Mrs. Gman "You've been out clubbing again havent you!")

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ergh reading all these posts about Half Life 2 make me think to something no one did expose here ...
Maybe the GMan is a Gordon Freeman but from the future ...
Imagine ... the future is not what he liked it to be so, he go back in the past to try to make things change and between each episodes, he'll go back in the future to see if something done in the past have changed the future and, he'll repeat this until future become better ...

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 12:28 Edited at: 10th Apr 2007 12:30
Must know, what does the health charger say to you in Half Life? It says something like "X" I need to know!

I have...

-Half Life gold edition
-Half life on steam
-Half life: source
-Half life on PS2 which also has Half life decay
-Half life: Opposing Force
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-Counter strike and counter strike source
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-Half Life 2

Half Life is one of the best games I have ever played. You just can't get bored of it. I heard about Half Life ages ago. At a friends house, I played Blue Shift and was instantly hooked! A couple of years later I got Half Life for my brother for christmas and I started playing it. Last easter I got Half Life 2 but unfortunately it kept on crashing because my "internet" computer was too slow, and Half Life 2 could only run with an internet connection. But recently I got a new laptop and the game runs fine on it excpet my brother beat me in completing it

I can't wait for Black Mesa source! And Blue shift source and also Operation: black mesa which is an Opposing force remake.

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I have the entire HL series I refuse to buy episode one, I think its F'ed-up that Valve will make you pay to finish the series in little short "episodes" 20$ a episode!!!! they might as well take all the episodes they are going to make and put them together as one game...But then they could only charge 40 or 50 instead of 20$ per episode, DAMN YOU VALVE DAMMMMNNNNNN

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 21:04 Edited at: 10th Apr 2007 21:06
Heck you have to pay $20 an episode we in the UK have to pay £20 and episode 20$ = £10.18

or £8.31 if your in australia

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 21:52
But then we'd be waiting ten years for the next installment. In the end, I'd rather pay 20$ for each episode, especially since episode 2 has portals and team fortress 2. Sounds like you'll be getting more for your money.

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I got HL2 pretty close to it's release (installing it on dial-up, boy that was fun) and since I reinstalled windows I've haven’t got round to sticking it back on. Mind you, it never ran that well on my FX 5200 in the first place.

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Quote: "Maybe the GMan is a Gordon Freeman but from the future ..."


Um that was the first thing I said haha...

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HL2 can be damn addictive. I am replaying whole game on newer graphics card to see differences and I planned on only playing it for an hour yesterday. 5 hours later I was still playing, but had to stop after head felt a bit woosy. HL2 has a bad side effect on some people making them light headed and some people even saying it makes them sick. Specially playing the boat bits.

I boughy EP1 and thouroughly enjoyed it. Costs £12 online which is not bad value and there is quite a few hours of play in there. EP2 looks much better value specially with the portal stuff in it.

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Gman wasn't his official name at first... it was the model name. In halflife he actually didn't have a name. It probably stood for government man, though I really don't know. I also remember reading somewhere that he's an interdimensional bureaucrat, selling Gordan's services to the highest bidder. But I'm pretty sure it's all speculation.

Oh, in hl1 there was a point where if you did something you could walk up to Gman, and if you hit him with the crowbar it made a metallic sound...

I can't say the hl games have the best game story, but they certainly have the best presentation... ever.

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@ UnderLord: think about it, an actual game of this quality is $100AUD half-life 2 has stayed at that price at a constant rate in australia since it came out (thats saying somethin!), episode 1 is only $30AUD, and it may be short but trust me it is really worth it, it explains a bit more about what happened after the events of HL2 (and gordon gets hugged by alyx, *Boing noise from gordons pants* LOL)

trust me it is worth the $30 AUD for this, it is just awsome

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I like the story, its cool.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2007 08:48 Edited at: 11th Apr 2007 08:49
Big fan of Half-Life, I am.

I have pretty much anything Half-Life, ever. Half-Life 2 was one amazing game and Episode I is definetely worth it, in my opinion.

People always say HL2 puts the story on the backburner but I think quite the opposite. I loved the story in HL2 and thought it was told pretty brilliantly considering it's void of any "cutscenes", per se.

As far as the story goes--GMan, to me, is certainly not human. I always see him as an interstellar figure who found himself in the right place at the right time and decided to take advantage of your... "talents". I think he's definetely looking out for his own interests above yours and that he checks up on you from a distance to make sure you're following the right path. In some ways, I almost see him as a "god-like" figure because in a lot of ways he controls your destiny. I tend not to delve into his motives because for me, that mystery makes it all the more interesting, but I definetely see him as a money/power-hungry figure so in my mind it's quite possible the "selling to the highest bidder" speculation could have truth to it.


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Quote: "People always say HL2 puts the story on the backburner"

Wha-??!

How could anyone possibly say that if they've played it?? I play the hl games FOR the story, the gameplay is just an added bonus.

I've honestly never heard anyone say that.

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Quote: "or £8.31 if your in australia"


Really? 8.31 Pounds?


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Dave J: If you order it UK side not counting the shipping

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I think HL2 could have done with setting the scene more before dropping you in. Like in the first game, 10 minutes on a transport carriage really set the scene, it's your first day at work as a scientist in a multi-function facility.

I'd like to have seen some introduction film, like maybe people being rounded up, maybe a Stalker thing attacks innocents at a farm somewhere.

The thing that annoyed me about the storyline in HL2 is how all these figures come out of the woodwork, all these close personal friends that you've never seen before in your life. They can't just take a largely solo game like HL and put in a whole squad and buddy premise, not without explaining it a bit better. It's like you've just waved byebye to GMan, and your in some predictable apocalypse/big brother plot full of people you're supposed to know. Soz if they were actually in the first game, if they were then they played a very small part, certainly not enough for them to be so familiar with me .

I enjoyed HL2, infinately more than Doom3, but it didn't seem quite as homely as HL1. In HL1 you could be inventive and save a lot of bullets, or time, there was quite a bit of freedom in HL. In HL2 it seems much more of a shoot em up, very plot based. Not knowing what to do next and having to experiment or explore is what made HL1 for me, the way you could take over a gun emplacement or lay laser mines, or the way grenades reacted well - it was very engrossing, even when all you had to do was kill a half-dozen zombies. I really liked the gadgets in HL1, like controlling the crane, I expected more stuff like that, considering some of the enemies can be a real pain, like the Stalkers. What if they had a big wrecking ball, and you could jump in and smash the Stalkers off balance - a little more effective than throwing a park bench at them!.

In HL2 a lot of the freedom is really just throwing stuff with the grav gun, they relied on that far too much - personally I'd preferred to have seen more engine propeller traps, or dropping car traps - once your out of Ravenholm there's not a lot of that gameplay left. Why don't they set a game in Ravenholm, like the clean up operation, maybe catch up with the reverend if he's still alive. I think it would be very cool if they expanded on it, Ravenholm is easily the best scene in HL2.


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I love Ravenholm, the atmosphere is so dark and creepy. I'd even rank the spookiness over all of the Resident Evil or Silent Hill games.

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Ravenholm was damn creepy.

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Ravenholm was definitely my favorite part along with the ant lion part. I agree that they could have add more "gadgets" and such, but they treated the gravity gun as a portable multi-gadget; an item that you had to whip out way too many times.

Quote: "I'd like to have seen some introduction film, like maybe people being rounded up, maybe a Stalker thing attacks innocents at a farm somewhere."


Exactly, I wanted the link between hl1 and hl2. First of all, I was totally confused who the administrator was, and it took me another rerun of hl1 to catch that being mention once, maybe twice.

The other thing that was weird was the sudden friendliness you receive from Barney and co. I had no idea that Barney hung around Gordon that much. Of course, it didn't help to have the same model reused every single time in hl1, or that you only see the "real" Barney at the very beginning banging on a door (on the rail car).

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Ravenholme is by far the creepiest setting in any game I've ever played. Every time I get to that part of the game I always want out. But it's alot of fun. It seems far creepier though, when you run out of ammo and have to rely on the traps and environment.

The zombie screams are just so wierd.

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Quote: "personally I'd preferred to have seen more engine propeller traps, or dropping car traps - once your out of Ravenholm there's not a lot of that gameplay left."


that can be easily explained by the fact that the reverend set up those traps and he stayed at ravenholm, so that would explain the lack of traps later in the game

i find the gravity gun as an unlimited source of fun, picking up buzz saw blades and cutting up zombies (and when it gets supercharged at the end, whoa thats good)

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That's what I mean though, it's like he was the only one to think of dropping a heavy object on a zombie . A lot of people seem to agree about Ravenholm being the best part, I think it should have carried on throughout the game. I don't mean there should have been more engines with propellers in it, but maybe a few more gadgetty ways to kill. Freeman is supposed to be an engineer or a scientist, yet he never has to do anything too clever.

I mean the depth of the puzzles in HL2 are really about using the gravity gun to move a plank of wood to open a door, or grab a plank of wood to get you inbetween shopping trolleys and across that stretch of sand. Or to pick something up and put it in the water - I just found these puzzles a bit tedious is all, I think they could have been way more inventive. That's why I think there should be a more survival horror type episode set in Ravenholm, with lots of puzzles and stuff - not saying it should turn into Resident Evil, but I thought the reverand was a great character, almost like someone from Sin City if you know what I mean.

I like the antlions too, complete rip off but once you get the squelchy control heart thing it's a lot of fun - the prison was great because you could use different tactics and the level design was top notch IMO.


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i do agree that ravenholm is probably the best part of the game, but having more of the traps around city 17 didnt really fit with the plot, for example would the combine really let citizens set up cars on pulleys in the middle of the streets? seeing as the combine were the ones who released the headcrabs

also
Quote: "Freeman is supposed to be an engineer or a scientist, yet he never has to do anything too clever."


this is turn into a bit of a joke by barney, when you press a button to send alyx to black mesa east (at the beggining) barney says
Quote: "it must be hard pressing all those buttons, i can see your MIT education really pays for itself"


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Half-Life absorbed a good portion of my life... both playing it and making a mod for it... and of course TFC.

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But then again, the combine would kill zombies if they saw them. Of course, they still wouldn't like suspended cars and spinning blades on the streets, makes a mess for the metro cops to clean up.

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I got EP1 yesterday and it's pretty good. The only thing is the Antlions are bloody annoying, I'm in the carpark place and they keep killing me

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Yeah, now that you meantion it, how do you get past the car park? I think I tried 15 times before giving up.

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You use the gravity gun to put the cars on top of the holes they are coming out of.

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Yah I hated that part. So annoying.

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Yea, I absolutely hated that part my first time around. Wait until you get to the antlion guard, it's even worse.

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I know you have to use the cars but in the meantime the bloddy things are killing you, or Alyx, grrrr!

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Use some nades to kill em while you throw down the cars.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2007 13:06 Edited at: 14th Apr 2007 13:08
just plug up the holes with nearby cars

EDIT: whoops already been posted, damn im not used to having a multi page thread, happy times

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In brief response to "WTF Gman".

The Gman is suposedly some random alien that didn't come from Xen (the place all the rest of them came from) the Gman sees fit in toying with the saviors of the Black Mesa incedent; Gordon Freeman, Barney Calhoon and Cpl. Shepheard.

The Gman, at the end of Half life 1 offers Gordon Freeman a job with his "supposed" employers. But infact freezes Gordon Freeman and keeps him until he is needed again. He is then needed at City 17 for some unknown reason and is unfrozen on the train you start off on.

Now, I know all this from what I learnt from the games I have and have played excessively:
Half life 1
Half life Opposing force
Half life Blue shift
Half life 2 Demo
Half life 2 Lost coast
and what my brother and friends tell me. My brother having played all of Half life 2 and reading gamer magazines.

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I havent read the most recent threads so sorry if i'm repeating something

Quote: "Maybe the GMan is a Gordon Freeman but from the future ...
Imagine ... the future is not what he liked it to be so, he go back in the past to try to make things change and between each episodes, he'll go back in the future to see if something done in the past have changed the future and, he'll repeat this until future become better ..."


they kinda look the same when compared and the name is G-Man like Gordon freeMan, but in the book i bought about hl2 it says about gman that he cant speak human language very well.. that gives me the idea that he's an alien, but has anyone ever heard gordon speak? no, he's never done that.

but your theory doesnt make sense. If g-man is in fact gordon and is making the future better then supposably he didnt get the help from gman first time around. Like adrian shephard in opposing force, he must've died when the chamber flooded with green stuff..

You know what it might be, G-man is an Alien from the Xen world posing as a human (Goverment man). Because in the half life saga the combine invaded the xen, wasnt it like that or something? and g-man is using gordon to overthrow the combine and restore the xen world.. It's very posible that g-man is a xen being because in the end of hl1 he throws you into a place with a bunch of xen guys if you dont work for him..


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Posted: 14th Apr 2007 21:03
Quote: "he throws you into a place with a bunch of xen guys if you dont work for him.."


Maybe hes just a jerk haha.

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