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Three Score
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Posted: 21st May 2007 00:53 Edited at: 21st May 2007 00:54
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must I say anything..

1. please install a spell checker(and install firefox if you don't have it)
2. gi raytracer? is that even related to an OS?
3. dos rendering? do you mean 2-d or what?

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dos render! oh ! you mean does rendering! wow...see how it makes you unreadable!

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Three Score, he has a disease called dyslexia. It's not a matter to be discussed so rudely.


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Posted: 21st May 2007 01:29
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ummm?
ok...?

guess that was just an inside joke with yourself..

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Posted: 21st May 2007 01:46 Edited at: 21st May 2007 01:46
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Actually Three Score, Xenocythe is being serious I think. Dyslexia isn't something to be so rude about.

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Yeah, way to be a complete jerk Three Score.

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And I have a phobia about heights and spiders, so don't mention them as it would maybe freak me out, even though I haven't told anyone here yet. How was he supposed to know?

Plus dyslexia or not, a spell checker would help massively. Infact if he knew he had dyslexia then it is probably the best advice he could possibly give him. Add a grammar checker too for kicks...

At the end of the day the posts were getting to a level where communication was getting very difficult (dos rendering is a good example). Three score just told him how to help the problem easily. As far as I could see he wasn't mean about it.

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Posted: 21st May 2007 10:18
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Exactly. Dyslexia or not, a spell checker doesn't hurt. No need to get all uppity.

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Posted: 22nd May 2007 23:01
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and here we are... back to the good old issue of spell checking =)

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 09:34
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Quote: "back to the good old issue of spell checking"
Not really. People were getting picky in the past over the slightest thing (look at my sig). This is different. Basically people cannot actually understand what he is saying. And that is pretty bad. A spell checker would just help him out here is all.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 11:01
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i DO use a smell checker!

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 12:03
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Nice Make that grammar checker....

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 13:56 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 14:29
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I can see how this stuff stirrs up some trouble but I stand with Xenocythe on this one. However unreadable it might seem, it isn't really thát hard to understand what he's trying to say.

It wouldn't hurt to install a spell/grammar checker and use them, but hey, I would probably feel 'stupid' to use them if I'd had dyslexia.

You think a spell checker really would've changed the parts Three Score asked about? Let me run it through one.

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something that would help me is a good GI ray tracer witch runs as a OS, so it can use 100% of the system resources, and hopefully be a little faster. I'm into high poly modeling, and rendering takes ages!

might seem pointless to have a OS witch only dos rendering. but a few seconds gained quickly add es up wen doing a animation.

i cannot code in anything "


Why now, did that change ANY of Three Score's questions, or make the text significantly more readable? Humans actually read by relating combinations of letter to words - Hessiess text was in no way teh L337 or something - it was perfectly readable for any human with an IQ of above 80. The 'does' error wouldn't be picked out by a spell checker so that argument also fails to make any sense to me, and his grammar seems rather good (I've found some small 'a'/'an' errors and wrong use of interpunction).

Okay, if it was total l337sp3ak or if it were something along the lines of 'u whot bee coel no?' then I'd agree with Dazzag and Three Score, but in this case I find it absolutely amazing that there's being made such a fuss about a (in no way disabling) case of dyslexia.

Personally, if I were either Dazzag or Three Score, I'd understand I had (maybe unintendetly) possibly hurt someones feelings and apologize for it. Understand me correctly, I am not accusing you - I'm just saying you make less sense than you guys claimed hessiess to do.


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Posted: 23rd May 2007 14:06 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 14:07
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Quote: "possibly hurt someones feelings"
Say what you want. Personally all I saw was someone giving someone advice. There are plenty of posts around about how not to be a forum troll. Regardless of whether the post in question could have done with a spell checker or not, it is still a good tool (although a feel a grammar checker is more like it a lot of the time). IMHO the complete jerk comment would be more likely to hurt someones feelings. As far as I'm concerned the more heavy handed comments were from the people having a go at the people suggesting spell checkers. Not as if we called him an idiot or anything.

BTW, I *may* have a complete manic depressive personality. So you know, I may want to now slash my wrists after you laid into us. I will probably start listing more problems that I may have as they start being effected by whatever you have to say.

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Posted: 23rd May 2007 14:13 Edited at: 23rd May 2007 14:28
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Quote: "Quote: "possibly hurt someones feelings"
Say what you want. Personally all I saw was someone giving someone advice. There are plenty of posts around about how not to be a forum troll. Regardless of if the post in question could have done with a spell checker or not, it is still a good tool (although a feel a grammar checker is more like it a lot of the time). IMHO the complete jerk comment would be more likely to hurt someones feelings. As far as I'm concerned the more heavy handed comments were from the people having a go at the people suggesting spell checkers. Not as if we called him an idiot or anything.

BTW, I *may* have a complete manic depressive personality. So you know, I may want to now slash my wrists after you laid into us. I will probably start listing more that I may have as they start being effected by whatever you have to say.

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Really, as I said, you don't have to defend yourself (although relating hessiess writing to 'a forum troll' with your current knowledge will really make hessiess feel good, don't you think?) - it only proves you most likely feel too proud to apologize for an unintended and accidental hurt of feelings. If you are manic-depressive, I'd like to apologize for the rather harsh tone. Now, that isn't so hard to copy and paste to hessiess, is it?

You seem not to understand what effects a disorder may have on someone's life. Telling a dyslect he needs a spell checker míght psychologically equal to asking a blind to follow the roadmap (good advice), or ask a deaf person to follow the sound of the one in front of him in the dark (good advice). I suppose you'd flush and apologize for that.

That this is no personal contact, but a forum, shouldn't change that.

And you can go ask, then what is he doing on forums? Go ask a blind why he's still in traffic, and ask a deaf person why he still talks to people: They want to live, just as anyone else - and do the things others do. Hessiess is a passionate modeller, and thus he's around here.

I never discussed that a grammar/spell checker would be a good tool. I agree with you. Doesn't change the above at all.

And BTW, using "I *may* have a [insert random disorder here]" isn't an argument at all - where it only makes me apologize for certainty, it doesn't change that now that you DO know hessiess is dyslectic, it wouldn't hurt to at least apologize for any possible hurt feelings - I'd recommend only using the "I *may*" when you're serious about it (i.e. really have a disorder) - unless of course you suffer from Pathological Doubt or similar symptons (which I suspect not, since you would phrase yourself quite differently in that case). Like diseases, disorders can have quite limiting and emotional impact on ones life.

Besides it implies that you are doubting the claim that hessiess is dyslectic. I can assure you he is - and he's doing just fine for one.


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Quote: "Now, that isn't so hard to copy and paste to hessiess, is it?"
Why? Also read again. Exactly what did I say to hessiess that requires my apology?

Quote: "Telling a dyslect he needs a spell checker míght psychologically equal to asking a blind to follow the roadmap (good advice)"
And that is your opinion. My opinion is it is about the same as suggesting to a person with bad eyesight and no glasses that they may want to go check their eyes out for a pair of glasses.

Quote: "ask a deaf person to follow the sound of the one in front of him in the dark"
Erm, no. Totally different in fact. More like informing a deaf person that it may be a good idea to see if a hearing aid may help them out. Much like when we employed a legally blind person once as a programmer. He had something like 5% sight and needed this big magnifying thing to do the job. Obviously someone told him he needed that. Doubt he sued them.

Quote: "That this is no personal contact, but a forum, shouldn't change that."
Never said it didn't.

Quote: "And you can go ask, then what is he doing on forums?"
Nope. You suggested that is what I was asking. Which I wasn't.

Quote: "They want to live, just as anyone else"
Calm down dude. The only person who is getting worked up here is you.

Quote: "it doesn't change that now that you DO know hessiess is dyslectic"
I do? Only Xenocythe said that as far as I know. And even if he is, so what? Advise was given, no-one slagged him off. Ben then called Three score a total jerk, and then you are claiming we need to apologise. A mod even said he agreed.

Quote: "I'd recommend only using the "I *may*" when you're serious about it"
Isn't that just doing what Three Score did, and that you totally don't agree on. As it happens my dad has manic depression (rumour is that it is genetic, so something to look forward to possibly). How do you know you just didn't damage me psychologically because of that careless comment and the bad upbringing I had (you would have loved Xmas)? Right, because you didn't know. Think I will survive...

Quote: "I can assure you he is - and he's doing just fine for one"
Good God, it is like we called him names and made fun or something. Maybe one day, with your help, he can become a full and valued member of the community.... Get a grip.

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Well, I've laughed often in my life, but this is probably one of the better ones I've read. Let's see.

Quote: "Why? Also read again. Exactly what did I say to hessiess that requires my apology?"

Naming him forum troll, taking into doubt his disorder/making fun of the disorder ("your phobia's"), claiming communication was very difficult (where infact any infant could read it without problems).

Quote: "And that is your opinion. My opinion is it is about the same as suggesting to a person with bad eyesight and no glasses that they may want to go check their eyes out for a pair of glasses."

So since we agree that there exist different opinions, wouldn't it be good to also take care of that in case hessiess shares my opinion?

Quote: "Erm, no. Totally different in fact. More like informing a deaf person that it may be a good idea to see if a hearing aid may help them out. Much like when we employed a legally blind person once as a programmer. He had something like 5% sight and needed this big magnifying thing to do the job. Obviously someone told him he needed that. Doubt he sued them."

Good, since we agreed there were different opinions. I have a relative who is deaf who played radio just not to have people noticing he was deaf. Anyone who asked him insulted him - people differ. Sueing would be rather impossible, so that's quite a lovely statement.

Quote: "Never said it didn't. "

Great, I love agreeing with people. I was just making sure we agreed - there's enough people around thinking it does.

Quote: "Nope. You suggested that is what I was asking. Which I wasn't."

Where do you see me suggesting anything? I'm answering a possible future question (preventive, just as the excuse I'm talking about would be).

Quote: "Calm down dude. The only person who is getting worked up here is you."

I can fully assure you this is not true. I'm sitting here, calmly with a single can of cola in front of me about to leave to my girlfriend. Sorry for possible errors in this reply, I'm in a hurry (got 15 minutes for a 16 minutes walk).

Quote: "I do? Only Xenocythe said that as far as I know. And even if he is, so what? Advise was given, no-one slagged him off. Ben then called Three score a total jerk, and then you are claiming we need to apologise. A mod even said he agreed."

Only Xenocythe said that and I think the post is more than enough evidence (hard to read, if I may quote you) to at least preventively try and avoid kicking on the subject again. I disagree with Ben, also, I never stated to agree, but that is not my point - my point is Xenocythe's - such things should be handled with care instead of bashing/repeating. A mod évén agrees? Wow, wait a minute. Let me tell you: A mod is a person. Person have opinions. Opinions differ. My and Jeku's opinion actually are the same. It cannot hurt to have a spell checker. What did possibly hurt is the undertone and content of both your and Three Scores post.

Quote: "Isn't that just doing what Three Score did, and that you totally don't agree on. As it happens my dad has manic depression (rumour is that it is genetic, so something to look forward to possibly). How do you know you just didn't damage me psychologically because of that careless comment and the bad upbringing I had (you would have loved Xmas)? Right, because you didn't know. Think I will survive..."

I did not see TS apologize at all (thus I disagree). As it happens, both of my parents suffer from a light form of MD so if it indeed is genetic (didn't know that), we've got something in common. That's why I might've gotten a bit worked up about that one.

Quote: "Good God, it is like we called him names and made fun or something. Maybe one day, with your help, he can become a full and valued member of the community.... Get a grip."

It's like apologizing, even if you disagree, can never hurt if it can spare someones feeling. I am not saying hessiess cannot defend himself, but being someone who worked at a psychologic facility (as cleaner, mind you) I know things can hit people hard, even if it is only good advice. Believe me, apologizing for the damage good advice cán do, even preventively or in advance, does not hurt at all.


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Quote: "Well, I've laughed often in my life, but this is probably one of the better ones I've read."
Then you are obviously not following your own bits of advice by saying that in the first place.

Quote: "Naming him forum troll"
No I didn't. Infact I didn't name anyone a forum troll. I was simply pointing out the many posts that are made saying how to make the forum a better place.

Quote: "taking into doubt his disorder/making fun of the disorder ("your phobia's")"
I did not doubt his disorder, I said I had no evidence that he had the problem. Someone else said he had it. You are assuming I have read something elsewhere when I have not. Making fun of the disorder? No, he was called a jerk for being insensitive when I only suggested he did not have the foggiest of him having a disorder.

Quote: "wouldn't it be good to also take care of that in case hessiess shares my opinion?"
Considering he hasn't said a word, then what exactly is your point?

Quote: "I have a relative who is deaf who played radio just not to have people noticing he was deaf. Anyone who asked him insulted him - people differ. Sueing would be rather impossible, so that's quite a lovely statement"
Once again you prove my point.

Quote: "Where do you see me suggesting anything? I'm answering a possible future question (preventive, just as the excuse I'm talking about would be)."
Fine. Then it is now you making assumptions that perhaps should stay in your mouth. Again, what's your point?

At the end of the day you seem to be angry that I insulted the bloke. Explain again why you think I did? As far as I remember I thought it was harsh to call Three Score a jerk for suggesting he use a spell checker. As far as I can see you are the one apparently claiming I am this insensitive bloke. Apology from you I would say.

Quote: "I can fully assure you this is not true"
Great. Well done.

Quote: "I think the post is more than enough evidence"
Ok, so total assumption then? So if a man walks across the road without looking and gets run over then he is obviously blind? Whatever. Now you are pointing fingers. It's not as if we called him names (you did by labing him as a dyslexic, whether he is or he isn't) or anything, just suggested a spell checker might help. Hell, look at my very old sig. *I* could use a spell checker (like how I was being serious there).

Quote: "It cannot hurt to have a spell checker"
So whats you point? Again. As for a mod being a person, well yes of course, I remember when most of them were newbies here. All I'm saying is they are supposed to enforce the rules of the forum, so a little better than your average shmoe.

Quote: "What did possibly hurt is the undertone and content"
Er, ok. So your opinion again. A suggestion of a spell checker and a thought that Ben was a little harsh to Three Score....

Quote: "didn't know that"
Yeah, apparently it can be (so some reports suggest, but I don't think it is totally proven). My sister is effected to a lesser degree (Anorexia and panic attacks mainly) and I thought I was fine. Not so sure after 5 rounds of redundancies where I work though... Stress kills. Which is why I am in Cyprus now. My old landlord used to have it too (used to leave postit notes saying "Help Me" everywhere just before a breakdown, which my dad had when in the RAF). 2 of his kids have signs, with one of them definitely having it (Lithium tablets etc).

Quote: "can never hurt if it can spare someones feeling"
Fair enough. If it upset Hessiess then I am sorry. I suppose I'm a little annoyed because I normally treat most people extremely carefully. Hell, I remember once being careful to not mention caravans to a new friend just incase they were a bit of a gypsy or something. Slightly over the top. Plus I'm stressed out at work a bit. Honestly, never thought I would say I am a bit fed up of programming for a living. Stupid MasterCard... Which reminds me, better get back to it...

Cheers

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Whoops. Sorry John, think I've been typing for half an hour

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Quote: "As far as I remember I thought it was harsh to call Three Score a jerk for suggesting he use a spell checker"

You might want to point out where someone called him a jerk for telling hessiess to get a spell checker - I don't remember it happening. People are just so quick to assume.

In my opinion, Three Score's general sarcastic tone was rude, I'm not that bothered that he told him to get a spell checker, others already have before.

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I have a spelling checker
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot see.
Eye ran this poem threw it.
Your sure real glad two no.
Its very polished in its weigh,
My checker tolled me sew.

A checker is a blessing.
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when aye rime.

Each frays comes posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule.
The checker pours o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.

Bee fore a veiling checkers
Hour spelling mite decline,
And if we're laks oar have a laps,
We wood bee maid too wine.

Butt now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
There are know faults with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.

Now spelling does not phase me,
It does knot bring a tier.
My pay purrs awl due glad den
With wrapped words fare as hear.

To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should be proud,
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaws are knot aloud.

Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays
Such soft wear four pea seas,
And why eye brake in two averse
Buy righting want too please.




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You need a grammar checker...

Out of interest, I noticed people have mentioned a spell checker built into FF2. I've used this for a while but haven't noticed a spell checker. According to a Google you just switch it on (is in the options and is defaulted as on) and it puts a red line under suspect words (like MS Word). Thing is though I have never seen it here and I just tried typing an incorrectly spelt word with no red line showing. So how do you go about using it?

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Quote: "Three Score, he has a disease called dyslexia. It's not a matter to be discussed so rudely."


Its not a disease.

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@dazzag, When I am typing in a field like this one, I can right click and place a checkmark next to spell check this field. I think it was enabled by default, I'll check to see if I can find more advanced options.

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It's under tools->Options->Advanced General Tab

Check "Check My Spelling As I Type"

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firefox is much better than ie anyway, it dosant recognise most of my spellings though. try telling me how to spell something instead of just complaining about it.
i wasent offended, i get this allot, and i tend to just ignore it.

i think rammi went A bit ott!

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No worries.

Zenassem->Yeah, thats what I looked at, and made sure it was ticked (was ticked before too). Does nothing in the DB message post field annoyingly. Smurtsleborgsle (just put that there to see if it takes a few seconds.... nothing...)

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Wow, super sensitive are we? We live in such a politically correct society that one can't offer advice? If somebody has a biological issue where they have foul body odor, can I not advise him to apply a healthy amount of deoderant? Okay, bad example.

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@"Spell Checker/Grammar Checker people"


@"Anyone in the same general timezone as Northern California (In America), with MSN
You would automatically be the most important/efficient tester because of the timezone. Would you PLEASE test the OS, emulator or not.


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Quote: "Does it not occur to anyone that this could hurt they're feelings"
Er, yes. I think Rami may have considered this perhaps....

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