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Geek Culture / Why do you people have to be such J.e.r.k.s.

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david w
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Posted: 6th May 2007 07:41
I dont care if a mod newb slaps me. I am seriously considering leaving these forums for good. I spend alot of time on here. I have had DB since it first came out. Its bull how people treat others on this forum. Why the hell does everyone got to nitpick spelling? Thanks Van B. and GG for all the help. But seriously I am out. I cant take it anymore. I am not the best programmer, but I try. I'd like to thank everyone who has helped me. For the rest of you, stick a ballon in your ass and blow it up.

Have a nice day.
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Posted: 6th May 2007 07:46
not everyone is a rude stuck up person, actually very few of us are like that, so please don't leave just because of maybe 15 people ok.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 07:48
If you leave then they have won. That's all there is to it.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 07:52
when I get pissed I tell people " to go stick their head in a bucket". I like the ballon thing. Don't let some fools get to you. There's plenty of folks here who care. Don't give them the satisfaction.
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Posted: 6th May 2007 07:56
@bass guy1669
That doesnt help (IMO).

@david w
Dont leave, please.


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dark coder
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Posted: 6th May 2007 09:00 Edited at: 6th May 2007 13:57
Read up on grammar and get a spell checker then you can nit pick theirs

Leaving the forums because someone said your spelling is bad is pretty stupid.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 09:37
lol that's why I use Firefox... plug-in spell checker. But seriously, I don't resort to picking on spelling. We're on the internet, it doesn't really matter so long as people are able to understand you/decode what you're saying. I just, for the most part, type full and complete sentences out of habit.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 10:04
Quote: "For the rest of you, stick a ballon in your ass and blow it up."


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Posted: 6th May 2007 10:05
David W.- I don't know you, but please don't leave the fourms. There a lot of nice people on here and it would be a shame to lose a good guy to the bad ones.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 10:37 Edited at: 6th May 2007 10:37
the dummy has been spat ladies and gentlemen.
cheer up dave, this kind of thing happens to your face as well in real life.
time for a bit thicker skin mate.

btw moving to general, wrong place.
and yes you would normally get a slap for the "ass" comment but we still love you.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 11:16
I wouldn't be bothered by them, some of the people on here are idiots, I agree it is pretty dumb how people pick on the grammar, for goodness sakes who's actually sad enough to care about your spelling as long as you can read it If you're bothered by people's comments, ignore them, its not worth worrying about.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 11:36 Edited at: 6th May 2007 11:38
Quote: "If you're bothered by people's comments, ignore them, its not worth worrying about."


I think you'll find there should've been a full stop after "ignore them" ... uhh .. also one of these badgers ' in its! But so long as you realise you're going to burn in hell for these "sins of the forum word" I will let you off.

@david w
But seriously, as was said above, a forum is the easiest place in the world to ignore people. Someone posts after you with something you don't like, you can just totally ignore it and engage with the rest of the topic posters. Then the poster of the offensive comments has just totally wasted their time. You'll never get one back on them by retaliating and it'll never end, so just totally ignore everything they've said and don't respond, and that's the worst thing you can do to them.

Btw, I love you really Seppuku Arts. I just wish you'd paid attention in school.


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Posted: 6th May 2007 12:52 Edited at: 6th May 2007 12:53
Haha, who DOES pay attention in school? Oh and you forgot one thing...If there's going to be a full stop after 'ignore them', then shouldn't I put a capital 'i' in 'its'...I hope you're not going to be an English teacher one day. [edit] I love you too.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 13:36 Edited at: 6th May 2007 17:24
Personally, I despise bad spelling and bad grammar!
It's incredibly hypocritical of me because I am terrible at spelling and my grammar could be better, but there are times when I cringe at the things people say/write.

The one thing that springs to mind is "Could of, would of, should of" instead of the correct "Could have, would have, should have". I also despise (and I can't emphasize that enough) txt & l33t.

However, like I said in my second sentence, I know that my spelling and grammar isn't perfect and I will make mistakes from time to time. Everybody does! What I won't do is correct people when they make a mistake.

So, what's my point?

My point is, if someone corrects the errors in your post, don't get angry. Instead, smile to yourself in the knowledge that they are so insecure that they have to make themselves appear clever by putting you down.

[Edit] Just thought of another one that really annoys me: Using loose when you mean lose. Hey, I'm liking this, it's like a place to vent my annoyances without upsetting anyone



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Posted: 6th May 2007 13:39
Some of us cannot spell no matter how much we try, 99.9% of my posts are editted for such reason. I never judge anyones intelegence on their gramma because it's annoying when ppl do it to me!

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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:23 Edited at: 6th May 2007 14:23
I know that both my grammar and spelling aren't really perfect at all. I've never done well in English at school though I tend to write in complete sentences the best I can, to at least portray some sense of intelligence (you decide whether it works or not ).

I'd have a lot more respect for someone who attempted to write in well formed coherent sentences over someone who just wrote like a text message. Even if the spelling isn't perfect, or there's a lack of punctuation in an entire paragraph, I'd prefer to read that much more than a mass of abbreviated words with no attempt to even make it readable.

On that note though, there's loads of reasons why someone's spelling or grammer could be wrong - take into account their nationality, whether or not they have a condition which could affect it, or maybe they are just not very good at it. Eitherway, I think it's cruel to pick at someone's spelling if they've tried their best.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:30 Edited at: 6th May 2007 14:45
Quote: "On that note though, there's loads of reasons why someone's spelling or grammer could be wrong - take into account their nationality, whether or not they have a condition which could affect it, or maybe they are just not very good at it. Eitherway, I think it's cruel to pick at someone's spelling if they've tried their best."

I completely agre.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:32 Edited at: 6th May 2007 14:41
Ha ha ha. It's "agree."



Edited for inadequate use of the common vernacular.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:33
Messaging yourself again are we?

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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:38 Edited at: 6th May 2007 14:39
Again?


or still...


I actually thought you did it on purpose. You know... as a joke.

Benjamin
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Posted: 6th May 2007 14:45
Nah, I always spell agre wrong.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 15:12 Edited at: 6th May 2007 15:12
i nrevr spll wr0gn, taths becasue i do my bests adn im god at englisk, but plz dunt leeve David beacasue sum1 crtizeseed ur grammr. As tiresius said, they will "win".

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jasonhtml
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Posted: 6th May 2007 16:59
IMO, if you cant handle the people on this forum, you are going to have a lot of trouble in high school, the real world, ect...

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:11
Quote: "Ha ha ha. It's "agree." "

Have you no sense man? Can't you see it was supposed to be 'ogre'...pshh 'agree', that's a good one...
@Grandma, Don't they teach English well in Norway then?

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:17
You can't let this get on top of you David, people who correct others grammar just don't realize that it can be offensive. There's places for good grammar, like English class and ransom notes - this is a forum full of people from all over the world with different dialects and even primary languages in some cases, there should always be a relaxed attitude to this stuff.

It'd be a shame if you left, maybe we just need to point and laugh at the people who have time to point out spelling and grammar mistakes, it's really more telling about the person pointing out the error. Maybe Monday should be 'Type with your elbows day', give them something to post about .


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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:18
Quote: "Have you no sense man? Can't you see it was supposed to be 'ogre'...pshh 'agree', that's a good one..."


Well, originally I thought he meant auger, but I opted not to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:31
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Quote: "people who correct others grammar just don't realize that it can be offensive"

I agree. I do sometimes see people making the same mistake over and over and I feel like I want to inform them, but I also feel that it is kind of rude to do so.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:40
Quote: "Don't they teach English well in Norway then?"


Teach? I paid as much attention in school as i do pay attention to what the latest celeb is saying about fads and whats cool.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:46
Other common and annoying mistakes you often see (along the lines of those mentioned by Scraggle) is the misuse of 'then' instead of 'than' and 'there' instead of 'their'.

My cat is bigger then your cat should be My cat is bigger than your cat.

It was there idea should be it was their idea.

These can very often appear in posts where the spelling and grammar are otherwise 100% perfect.

But, I don't think any of this is too important on a forum and like others have already said, I see it unnecessary to point out bad spelling or grammar - provided I can actually understand what the person is saying. Their first language may not even be English. Notice the correct use of 'their' in the last sentence?

Use of mobile phone text speech or 'leet' is an exception and this is just laziness. Save this for your mates on the Nokia please!

What I find odd is that many people can spell medium to difficult words in their posts perfectly, yet struggle with more simple words.

And anyone who doesn't know how to use a full stop (a period in the US) doesn't deserve to own a keyboard - let alone a computer...

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Posted: 6th May 2007 18:46
@david w

Ill admit it, I criticized your spelling, but the fact that you are leaving because of it is simply idiotic. In all honesty, I couldn't care less if you left, because people on this forum always announce they are giving up and leave, but they return in a month or so. So I give you the advice I gave you last time, suck it up, download Google tool bar, spell check your posts, and then you can point out any errors I may make, ok?


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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:08
@Grandma, Hehe, sounds about the same everywhere...say, did you know Paris Hilton got arrested recently?...
Davidw- look at the stats, it's taken 30 posts for someone to flame you, it may seem like a lot of people that flame, but really it isn't

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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:14 Edited at: 6th May 2007 19:16
While we're ranting and raving about spelling and grammar, I can't say it bothers me that much when peeps get it wrong, but I do think people should make an effort to get it right.

It's wrong to say the grammar peeps use is not an indication of their intelligence. It is. If you can't figure out how to form a sentence correctly, then you're brain isn't as good in that respect as someone else. So it is all about intelligence. You are a little dumber than the next guy. Whether that's due to age or perhaps a foriegn nationality .. all good.

As for spelling ... spelling is a learning process. You are not stupid if you can't remember how to spell a word, but if you don't know how to spell a word, you should look it up. I routinely CTRL+T to open a new type and then type "Define: [word] in my google toolbar to check the spelling of dodgy words, and then commit them to memory. If you don't look them up, you'll never learn them. You need to use em and look em up a few times before they stick in your brain. Then you've got em. If you can learn to remember key words when coding, you can learn to remember language words.

If you are Dyslexic (had to look that up ) then fair play, it ain't always gonna come out right! But if you're not, you don't really have an excuse for being awful. We all make mistakes, it just shouldn't be every other word.

As for my pet hates .. only one I can think of at the moment:

-'I brought a new bike' ... yes, you might've brought it home from the shop with you, but when you purchased it, you bloody BOUGHT IT!!


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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:22 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:18
hey geezer, cheer up! ignore the ignorant [mod edit] on this forum - you get them EVERYWHERE this forum is NO different lol.

Most of the people who nitpick are the ones whos opinion counts for nothing, these people are born with a 'silver spoon' in their gob so should be ignored, don't let anyone stop you from doing something you enjoy doing, shrug it off and put 2 fingers up LOL
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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:25
if you are dyslexic then just put that in your signature. if you give up all the time you will never get anywhere in life

just use firefox, it looks much better than internet explorer as well

im dyslexic ,it dosant always recognise all my spening mistakes, but it's so much faster than coping everything into word,spell checking it, then back to the net

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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:27
actually Fallout, grammer has nothing to do with intelligence! people who are dyslexic are some of the most intelligent people around but have notorious difficulty in forming and reading sentences! their brain works differently so they are taught DIFFERENTLY.
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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:49
I'm sorry, but I really fail to see why spelling is so important on a forum, and why it is anyone's business to correct someone or demand that they download additional software just to satisfy that person's pet peeve about spelling or grammar. I would think that as long as you can understand the message, that is all that really matters. IMO, anyone who goes around on a forum correcting spelling and grammar has way too much time on their hands, and should probably get a job proofreading books or something. Personally, I try hard to get everything spelled correctly, but I make mistakes. I don't spell check my posts, and I don't think I ever will.
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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:58
That's right, from what i've read, grammar serves as no indication on the persons intelligence level. I don't judge peoples intelligence by the way they talk or write, nor what their school grades are. It simply doesn't work that way.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 19:59 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:04
We communicate with writing here, spelling has a big impact on all of our communications. Everybody will make mistakes. However, there are some people for whom English is their first language, but their spelling is so absurdly bad that it looks like they've done it on purpose.

Spell checking is the easiest thing in the world to do. I use the Google toolbar with IE, and it works great. It blocks popups, has a search field, and of course the spell checker. No bloat, no bull, it is a great addition.

I don't slur my words when I talk to people. I think that good communication is important. Nitpicking is unnecessary, but getting angry because some people value the integrity of communication is silly as well.

Quote: "I don't judge peoples intelligence by the way they talk or write, nor what their school grades are."

What's left that is practical? If I were going to interview someone for a job and they presented themselves like garbage, lacked writing skills, and had terrible grades in school, the interview would end right there.

Why do we work so hard to protect ignorance and celebrate mediocrity? Sometimes it defies understanding.


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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:06
Quote: "What's left that is practical? If I were going to interview someone for a job and they presented themselves like garbage, lacked writing skills, and had terrible grades in school, the interview would end right there."


I think you missed my point completely there.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:09 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:12
Quote: "is the misuse of 'then' instead of 'than'"

Yes, I've noticed it a lot. Strangely I seem to see it more from Americans, perhaps they pronounce the words similarly? The reason the misspelling bothers me is because it completely changes the meaning of the sentence after it, so that's a pretty big mistake to make.

I do personally think grammar has some sort of bearing on one's intelligence, but not spelling. And even then, there are exceptions.

As Fallout put it, spelling is a learning process. If you have bad memory, spelling is probably going to be harder for you, but that doesn't make you stupid. It's like.. a computer with a fast processor but not a lot of memory, ie. you get kicked a lot for not being able to run Doom 3 without spluttering.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:32 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:33
Quote: "actually Fallout, grammer has nothing to do with intelligence!"


Ok, I'd agree it's not intelligence in the IQ sense, but if someone can do something with their brain someone else cannot, I would argue that makes their brain more intelligent in that respect. Not that it's anything to boast about, or feel inadequate about. So what if your grammar aint good? I'm not saying people who can't use correct grammar are dumb. I'm just saying it's a logical construction/manipulation of rules and therefore an intelligent process to some degree, and not just a learning process such as learning to spell.

Once again, I'm not saying you're stupid if you have bad grammar. You're not stupid either if you can't do maths. I just believe both maths and grammar are learning rules and then manipulating those learnings to calculate something or produce a result, and that manipulation is one of many forms of intelligence.


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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:36 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:38
J.E.R.K.S

What could that mean..

I can only imagine!


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Am i correct!?

Lol just a joke..

Anyways dont get down if some people are jerks just try to find some positive things on this place to keep u going!


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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:45 Edited at: 6th May 2007 20:46
Quote: "I just believe both maths and grammar are learning rules and then manipulating those learnings to calculate something or produce a result, and that manipulation is one of many forms of intelligence."

Of course, my sisters are both great at French grammar, but absolutely awful at maths.

..Notice I don't put myself in this equation 'cause I'm obviously good at both.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 20:59 Edited at: 6th May 2007 21:06
Well it's difficult to percieve a persons real IQ by ONE area, because as fallout said, there are different areas. For instance; Spatial, numerical, Logic, creativity, memory, reasoning, quantitative, book-smart, verbal and even street-smart.

I'm pretty sure there are other fields aswell, but how can one define a person as "stupid" if he/she only has a low "verbal" intelligence? For all we know that person could exceed way above average in all other fields.

*Edited because of low verbal intelligece* lol

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Posted: 6th May 2007 21:12
Quote: "So what if your grammar aint good?"


"aint good?" now, is that 'GOOD' grammer Fallout?

if your going to be pedantic, so can I
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i have a extremly bad short turm memory, about 10 seconds. and i canot rember secwences of leters and numbers.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 21:32 Edited at: 6th May 2007 21:32
Quote: "now, is that 'GOOD' grammer Fallout?"

That's perfectly correct grammar, actually... 'Aint' means 'is not'.

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Posted: 6th May 2007 22:43
'ain't' is still part of the English Language, even if it isn't standard English, but then a lot of other spoken conventions 'ain't' , however, as my Nan used to say, "Ain't ain't grammar ain't ain't!"

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Posted: 6th May 2007 23:39 Edited at: 6th May 2007 23:41
Quote: "Yes, I've noticed it a lot. Strangely I seem to see it more from Americans, perhaps they pronounce the words similarly?"

Actually yes, at least in my area they do (and it seems like everywhere else). There may be a slight difference, but for the most part we pronounce both of them as "then". Sometimes "than" has a slight lean towards a more "ahh" than "ehh" sound in it, but not much. I think most people understand the difference, but we pronounce them so similar sometimes people use them interchangeably in writing.


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What bugs me is kids are using the word "safe" instead of "okay"

and "swear down" instead of "I'm telling you the truth"

Listening to half a phone conversation it makes them all sound like bank robbers

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