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Geek Culture / Life Sucks...thinking of joining the NAVY

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bitJericho
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Posted: 25th May 2007 18:18
Quote: "as for starting a company, i do have a label that i slap on my work, with an LLC extension, it's just i don't lie when i say I'm a one man studio, and most people needing work done think i'm too cheap, which to them obviously means i do low quality work, even if i show them past work. more BS, lol"


Here's what you do, first, start charging more. This is the number one problem with people starting businesses, they think cheaper is better, or more fair. But the truth is, charge as much as you think you can get, not what you think it is worth. Truth is your work is probably worth far more than you think it is.

Secondly, you can say "I'm just one person, but should the work require it, I have contacts if you need this job done quicker."

Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 25th May 2007 18:25
Quote: "Before i got laid off, (i'm still not allowed to show my work, what BS) "

How can they do that? What can they do to you? I guess they could still sue you even if they can't fire you, heh.

Quote: "This thread sucks, Jeku calm down, Gil was making an assumption, and brought up Spec ops, and he said the Navy is the most boring branch, which it necessarily isn't.

Quote: "He was talking about doing exactly what I said, patrolling the oceans for at least six months at a time while living in cramped quarters most likely without seeing any action the entire time. The military interests me a lot, so I've seen more than enough shows on all branches to have some idea what I'm talking about..."
They don't just patrol the ocean, I know tons of people who aren't that high ranking who have land jobs, and the main purpose of the
Navy is to not see action, unless you're special forces.

geez, research before you post next time."

While your deployed, yes, all you do is patrol the oceans and conduct training exercises. I know that while not deployed to do that, then you stay on bases on land. And this:
Quote: "Navy is to not see action, unless you're special forces."

Practically restates what I said.

Hope you figure out what's best for you Moondog .


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Posted: 25th May 2007 18:27 Edited at: 25th May 2007 18:30
trust me, i've been talking to people in the military forums, and i have also gone through the flash tour of the Airforce boot camp, it actually looks fun, not to say i won't be pushed to my limits, it's just i enjoy working hard, building up a sweat, and being pushed to do better. Probably got that trait from being in Drumcore for 4 years, some of the best years of my life.

seppuku: what forum? heh, don't' see a link, unless your referring to the previously posted one.

Jerico: i do charge a fair amount, and i've seen bids lower then mine when dealing with clients, it's just sometimes i'm dismissed for being a single man operation. cinci is a horrible place to be doing CGI work for though, reason i haven't done any online is because of lack of setup. but with my demo reel in the works, and a new website, hopefully i'll generate some business...or at least enough to survive for a while.

GIL: the company isn't gone, they just filed bankruptcy and started laying off their top employee's. I heard they were going to be bought, and they wanted to hire fresh blood at a cheaper salary. Though, these are rumors I heard from other co-workers who still work there. SO they still hold copyrights for all my work.

MOONDOG

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Posted: 25th May 2007 18:30
You might want to get ahold of Reality Forgotten (Dave), as I believe he's currently serving in the Air Force, while doing CG/game stuff.

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Joining the military is not going to make your problems go away. You'll go away and basically your wife will have to deal with the debtors in your absence. Seek out a credit counselor and file for unemployment for now, get things straightened out then you can join the military if you still want after some pressure is relieved.

I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do. ~Hal-9000
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Posted: 25th May 2007 21:33
MoonDog, don't know much about this place, but it's worth a look.

http://www.flatpyramid.com/index.asp

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Posted: 25th May 2007 22:23
@SSS - Aren't the navy seals those guys in the tight shorts and sailor hats that prance around? "In the navyyyyy".










(joking)

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Posted: 25th May 2007 22:50
Quote: "Aren't the navy seals those guys in the tight shorts and sailor hats that prance around? "In the navyyyyy"."

That one made me laugh, just because it reminds me of a certain member not so long ago...

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Posted: 25th May 2007 22:57
Zerk: thats 100% not true. not only can my family live on base with me, but the government will help pay my dept, even pay off my student loan. On top of that i will get paid monthly, plus get living pay, get full insurance coverage for free, and receive a lot of benefits. The military would actually solve ALL my problems.

Jer: thanks for the link

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Posted: 25th May 2007 23:19
The way the world is nowadays, I'd hate to see anyone else join the military that I know or am acquainted with. Sure it might make you a tougher stronger person, you may not be afraid to die, but you have a family, and that counts for alot. Yes, it may solve your family's problems, but I'm sure they'd rather live in debt for the rest of their lives than lose Mr.Moondog to some form of active combat or accident.

Now, you may consider the National Guard or Coast Guard, alot more laid back as far as I know. My uncle is in the National Guard flying helicopters. He volunteered to go to Kosovo, but he was only a pencil pusher over there coordinating helicopter supply runs and transport. Course you probably can't do anything like that without flightschool, but they have plenty of groundwork as well if I'm not mistaken.

Coast Guard is similar to the navy as you'll be working mostly on the water, but maybe more exciting, busting up drug transports and ticketing drunk sailors

Dunno, just would hate to see you shipped off to Iraq, or Iran, or Korea, or wherever else there might be active combat now or in the near future.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 25th May 2007 23:19
Quote: "Zerk: thats 100% not true. not only can my family live on base with me, but the government will help pay my dept, even pay off my student loan. On top of that i will get paid monthly, plus get living pay, get full insurance coverage for free, and receive a lot of benefits. The military would actually solve ALL my problems."


But it'll introduce a whole new set of problems:S Plus, it's great if your family gets to live on base, that is, when you're not deployed off somewhere, then it really doesn't matter whether they live on base does it. You guys would be moving around all over too, so your kids would never get to live in one location.

Military's a great idea, but not for the reasons you want to join. You should join because you want to, not because you have no money.

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Posted: 25th May 2007 23:31
Quote: "You guys would be moving around all over too, so your kids would never get to live in one location."


Indeed, like the first 5 years of my childhood (My Dad was a pilot in the RAF) - born in Wales, moved to East Anglia, to Germany back to another part of East Anglia. (My brother and sister would have had more moving about) As for the 'death possibility' brought up by Agent Dink, during the first Gulf War, that was something my Mum really worried about, because he was sent over there.

I suppose you see the plus sides, but unfortunately you do have that risk of being sent to war - like a fellow member of Ozark Games and Garage Games was killed in Afghanistan a few weeks a go.

So I'd say the military would be an absolute last resort for me - but a lot of people come out of it fine and better off - its really a question of advantages vs disadvantage vs life risk. (As already said you may be willing to risk your life, but would your family manage with out you?)

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Posted: 26th May 2007 00:31
Quote: "@SSS - Aren't the navy seals those guys in the tight shorts and sailor hats that prance around? "In the navyyyyy"."


It's SEAL, and yeah, you're talking about UDT shorts, but that is only used in Bud/s, you don't ever need them again once you finish Bud/s, but it is the trainees wearing the tight shorts, not actual SEALs. But no, they're actually the one's in cammies running around being shot at while giving their life for their country.
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:08
Quote: "It's SEAL"


Thanks for clearing that up, I was going to call the RSPCA, I mean how cruel, dressing up little seals in costumes and sending them off to fight at the frontline to be shot at, to be honest I was beginning to question how a seal can operate the equipment or even hold a weapon, but I did use my imagination...

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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:31
I think you should consider applying for a job at a real game studio your talent and experience would be more than enough to gain a job in the industry.

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Quote: "Thanks for clearing that up, I was going to call the RSPCA, I mean how cruel, dressing up little seals in costumes and sending them off to fight at the frontline to be shot at, to be honest I was beginning to question how a seal can operate the equipment or even hold a weapon, but I did use my imagination..."


No, actually that's not imagination, it's stupidity. I'm done wasting my time with your ignorant commenting.
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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:04 Edited at: 26th May 2007 02:06
I was being facetious and playing with you...Not being stupid and ignorant - trying to help you laugh at yourself for pointing out insignificant minute details...Probably poorly executed...Chill out man, no need to be tense, other than rants, all of my posts are written in a positive mood - even when I criticise people. I hoped the amount of smileys I use a day show that - this being my most overused one ->

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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:04 Edited at: 26th May 2007 02:06
@ SSS

Actually there was a US program training dolphins for warfare, so it's not QUITE outside the realm of possibility using real seals.

Edit: *looks at time of posts* hmm we did it again!

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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:05 Edited at: 26th May 2007 02:06
Quote: "Chill out man, no need to be tense, other than rants, all of my posts are written in a positive mood - even when I criticise people."


That's because you have no self-esteem and need to criticize in order to elevate yourself.

Quote: "actually there was a US program training dolphins for warfare, so it's not QUITE outside the realm of possibility using real seals. "


I said SEAL originally, not seal, if you are talking about SEALs, then you use all caps, because it is an acronym. Do some research.
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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:22
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That's because you have no self-esteem and need to criticize in order to elevate yourself."


That's an odd judgement of me - what I criticise people on is their bad attitude/behaviour or their written/art-work (although that would be positive anyway) Not for the slightest thing...I was criticising you here...Like I said, I was being facetious, just being sarcastic in a positive way - not to be taken harsely. Also, I have a lot of self esteem - although I have some poor social skills, but that doesn't stop me.

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I said SEAL originally, not seal, if you are talking about SEALs, then you use all caps, because it is an acronym. Do some research."


I think you'll find he was doing the same thing as me, playing on the idea of the acronym not being used.

I think we've speculated on this a bit too much and hijacked the thread a little, lets get back to topic. - I mean does this really matter? It was a miscommunication - sorry if I gave mixed messages.

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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:22 Edited at: 26th May 2007 02:23
Quote: "I said SEAL originally, not seal, if you are talking about SEALs, then you use all caps, because it is an acronym."


Well i didn't use caps, so naturally i was talking about the animals. I thought that writing "using real seals" implied that.

Quote: "Do some research."




The attack on Seppuku there was unfair, obviously he hit a soft spot there (by accident), and you're attacking him personally for it.

Edit: arrg, can you stop that seppuku! lol

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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:25
Quote: "Also, I have a lot of self esteem - although I have some poor social skills, but that doesn't stop me."


You must insult a lot of people.

Quote: "I think we've speculated on this a bit too much and hijacked the thread a little, lets get back to topic. - I mean does this really matter?"

I think you started most of the speculation. And so why do you decide when this thread becomes hijacked, and back on topic. As far as I know you were one of the main people who led this thread astray. I was simple addressing Gil's statement, I was speaking to anyone else in particular, besides Moondog.
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Posted: 26th May 2007 02:42 Edited at: 26th May 2007 02:45
Quote: "You must insult a lot of people."


What does insulting people have to do with poor social skills, I can't approach a person and have fluent conversation with them unless I know them well enough...I don't insult people, I've joked with people, as people do (like 'you cheeky bas****' when a friend hides your belongings for fun), but I don't in an insulting way, unless the person is being really abusive.

Quote: "I was simple addressing Gil's statement,"


Quote: "With all due respect, you're a moron."


Yup, simply addressing his statement...Nothing personal, no insults what-so-ever.

Sorry, but you can reply with what you want, it takes two to argue, nobody ever wins in these types of arguments. And well I for one will not let this continue further whilst Moondog is looking for advice.

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Moondog, we love you.
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@SSS: I agree with Seppuku, your the one that needs to calm down. Everyone is just joking about the SEALs, so stop taking in personally just because you want to be one. We all know what they are really like, we're not idiots, despite what you may think. You're acting like we are trying to insult and degrade you, while all we're doing is joking around and trying to give Moondog some advice.


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lol, the little quarrels are making me laugh, so its all good.

just got back from talking to a recruiter for the Airforce. Just as expected, he tried to convince me to join, and not straight up tell me all the facts. Why do they do that? I wish they were more honest and too the point, like : "You'll go through 6 weeks of gruesome workout hell, then we train you for 4 months on million dollar equipment that if you screw up with, we'll have your arse for breakfast."

instead it's the "it builds character, we take care of yah speech" Yes I believe they will take care of me, but I also know is that they will make me work for it, and very hard too...thats sounded gay, I apologize.

MOONDOG

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Quote: "Why do they do that? I wish they were more honest and too the point, like"

Because they get paid to do it . Yeah, talking with people who have actually been through it or watching documentary shows on it is probably the best way to get accurate info .


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Posted: 26th May 2007 05:17
Quote: "But no, they're actually the one's in cammies running around being shot at while giving their life for their country."


I guess they're not doing a good enough job of hiding if they're getting shot at. Although I thought seals were black anyways, so probably hard to see them at night. Thing is-- do seals even have opposable thumbs? How do they grip their guns properly?

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Quote: "I'm very mature for my age though, which can suck a lot."

If only I had a nickel for every time I heard a kid say that.


Hey Moon, worst case scenario you could always move back in with Chris!

How are you at flash animation? Simple web header graphics and stuff. Cause I might have need to pay you for something then.


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Posted: 26th May 2007 06:10
Quote: "Thing is-- do seals even have opposable thumbs? How do they grip their guns properly?
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Made me giggle a little bit.

Quote: "you cheeky bas****"


so did that, heh heh cheeky

Moondog-I hope whatever you do works out for you but you already know to think it over. Its a very serious commitment and the stakes are high, all I'm saying is I don't want to hear that you may have made a mistake. However, I don't think that issue will come up so best of luck to you.

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ahe frack it cuase i cant say f u it...little druknk ut but thats ok, haha, i cant' relly see the screen

anyway gusy, thanks for the info...time to drink myself to sleeop

MOONDONG

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hehe

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Sleep well MOONDONG, sleep well


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Indeed and good luck with finding the right solution, and someone who can be completely honest about the airforce.

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Posted: 26th May 2007 12:34 Edited at: 26th May 2007 13:19
Looking up some Air Force Careers for you.

OK I think I found the Career for you!!!!!


Visual Information Apprentice
The Air Force needs creative individuals to produce visually stimulating informational material for recruitment, briefs and self-promotional events. As a Visual Information Apprentice you will learn theories, techniques and applications used in the graphic arts field. These include the use of drawing and reproduction equipment used in the design and layout of visual aids as well as an introduction to the principles of computer graphics. Responsibilities include film cutting, splicing, sound mixing, synchronization techniques and the operation of sound, recording and projection equipment. Some of the equipment used includes various types of projectors and tape recorder-reproducers, lenses, condensers, screens, television monitors, lights and microphones. You will also perform preventive maintenance on all equipment to ensure accurate, reliable performance.

Here's A link for you and your family to check out. This is a good representation of
Air Force On-base-housing. At least from the 3 bases I have been to. Housing size depends on rank, and number of family members. Lets just say that Air Force housing is pretty nice, better than many areas of the U.S.

You would be eligible to retire at 42. Collect a pension, and either pursue a feelance career or other education while in the service. I'd also recommend ivesting in the G.I. Bill. When I was in, it was a $1,000.00 investment, and the Air Force paid for my schooling, somewhere near $15,000.00 to be used up to 10 years after leaving service. Not bad for a four year investment.


Other Options....

The tech school for this career was my Tech School Base. Keesler AFB, MS

You could always tell them you have prior DB experience. Might get you a pay grade raise. LOL!!!
Communications/ Computer Systems Programming Apprentice
If youā€™re interested in learning computer programming, this is your chance. As a Communications/Computer Systems Programming Apprentice, you will learn all aspects of programming. You will also study the software life cycle ā€“ focusing on the design of a program. Once youā€™ve mastered the basics, you will learn high-order language (ADA), low-level language (Assembly), C++ and COBOL.

Since your good with images... perhaps

Imagery Analysis Apprentice
As an Imagery Analysis Apprentice, you will be the ā€œeyesā€ of our nationā€™s fighting forces. You will work using state of the art equipment and will be responsible for interpreting imagery from the worldā€™s most advanced satellites and manned aircraft, like the U-2. In addition, you will be part of the operational crew for the Air Forceā€™s Unmanned Arial Vehicles like the Global Hawk and Predator, which was the intelligence workhorse over Afghanistan. During your training you will learn to analyze images from advanced imaging sensors to find types and numbers of enemy forces to provide a ā€œpictureā€ of the battlefield for combat leaders.

This seems like fun. If you could work here, it may lead to a production advertising/layout job in the future.

Public Affairs Apprentice
As a Public Affairs Apprentice, you will serve as the voice of the Air Force. Responsibilities include writing and editing news for internal and civilian newspapers, maintaining contact with local and regional civic leaders to enhance military/civilian relations and assisting in the development of informational and news material for base newspapers, guides, bulletin boards and commanderā€™s calls. You will also be writing editorials and sports stories, reporting on news events, reviewing speeches, news releases, tapes, motion picture films and photographs and preparing layouts. This position also involves reading and correcting proofs and coordinating with the publisher for distribution and circulation of Air Force publications.

Still Photography Apprentice
The photo-documentation of Air Force events and day-to-day life is essential for reconnaissance, team building and recruitment. Students begin their photographic training by studying the theory of light and photographic exposure. They are then introduced to camera operations and black-and-white photographic chemicals, followed by black-and-white film processing. As a student you will learn the principles of optics, camera lenses and the application of electronic flash and photographic filters using cameras and film sizes of 4x5 inch, 120 and 35mm. The principles, characteristics and techniques of photographic reproduction (copy) are taught and performed, as well as a variety of photographic assignments such as architectural, investigative, sport, action, ceremonial and documentary photography. Students are also taught how to expose, process and print color photographic materials.

@moondog, I'm trying to find a 3d modeling/design career, so you can model nifty F-15's with seals flying 'em. But my search hasn't hit too many results yet. Dem seals are crafty buggers!

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Quote: "If only I had a nickel for every time I heard a kid say that."


You'd be a bloody millionare.

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Call center work is easy to get into and generally hire the same day, I live in TN and I make about 8$ an hour and get all the overtime I want working for BofA. Don't run from your problems dude, that just creates more and they always catch up to you.
Trust me, I've been there, I'm 20, married and struggling to get education and pay my bills. You'll get it. My dad is 42 now and he is just now getting himself stabilized.
Don't give up bro.
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thanks for all the info zen.

seems i made a huge fool of myself last night, i feel like crap too, my head hurts so bad it's sending out pulse waves into space.

MOONDOG

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I believe they are talking about dropping the fee for the GI Bill.

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Quote: "I believe they are talking about dropping the fee for the GI Bill"

That would be dumb. The risk is soldiers that separate before 12 months. They'd be eligible for it, unless they attached a time restriction. The risk is that someone would automatically separate, say for abusing drugs. Surely they'd account for that. With the current setup, it functions as an insurance policy for the military. They can afford to give away $50k because most people don't even use it.


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I'm sure the government will have that covered with certain criteria that you have to meet.

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Posted: 26th May 2007 23:55
Hey moondog,
You said LIFE SUCKS so why can't just do an emo stunt slit your wrist.LOLĀ¬
Don't Do This Stunt.

Or, Another option is just don't go to the navy or kill yourself because there is an 50/50 chance that in the navy a soldier will get killed!

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great advice deathead...

I'm sorry to hear what your going through moondog, i used to think about joining the army and being a "behind the lines" person who operates the computers etc, but that only lasted a week.

i hope things turn around for you mate


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Quote: "Zerk: thats 100% not true. not only can my family live on base with me, but the government will help pay my dept, even pay off my student loan. On top of that i will get paid monthly, plus get living pay, get full insurance coverage for free, and receive a lot of benefits. The military would actually solve ALL my problems."


Yes your right. I served in the Air Force. I guess that I should have emphasized that I meant while you were in training. Which could be quite a while until you actually get settled down somewhere where you can have your wife join you. Which can be very hectic for her with you being away and having creditors breathing down her neck... and recruit salary is not very much at all.

But of course, when I was in the military, they didn't help you out like they do now.

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Posted: 27th May 2007 03:44
Have you considered the reserves? you can still get that money for school, make some money a weekend a month, during training, and your 2 weeks each year. I know the army reserves are offering a 20k signing bonus (broken up over 4 years mind you)+cash for school. If you get into a field that has a good security clearence it may open you up for other government jobs the rest of the time. You still get to be home and will get many of the benefits.

Just a thought

Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 27th May 2007 04:10 Edited at: 27th May 2007 04:11
Quote: "Hey moondog,
You said LIFE SUCKS so why can't just do an emo stunt slit your wrist.LOLĀ¬
Don't Do This Stunt.

Or, Another option is just don't go to the navy or kill yourself because there is an 50/50 chance that in the navy a soldier will get killed!"

@Deathead: Stop acting like an idiot please.


zenassem
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Posted: 27th May 2007 04:13
Well this week is Fleet Week in NYC. So if you had been in the Navy, I would have invited you to my home. Keep us up-to-date Moondog. Let me know if there is any other info I can get you.

Deathead
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Posted: 27th May 2007 12:19 Edited at: 30th May 2007 23:16
Sorry for offensive comment.

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 27th May 2007 12:32
@Deathead -
Quote: "there is an 50/50 chance that in the navy a soldier will get killed!"

That is absolutely, positively not true.

Quote: "You said LIFE SUCKS so why can't just do an emo stunt slit your wrist."

Quote: "Or, Another option is just don't go to the navy or kill yourself"

Quote: "Life doesn't suck try doing a new hobby"


I'm going to make two assumptions about you. First, English is not your first language (even though you live in the UK) and you haven't read this entire thread. Providing that those are true, I can accept your comments.

Your comments aren't helpful, are insensitive, and are incorrect. Moondog is having a tough time and he's looking for some advice, not idle joking comments. You should be more considerate of his situation.


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Moondog
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Posted: 27th May 2007 20:37
Deathhead:
starting a new hobby isn't going to take care of my bills, job and insurance. i don't think you actually read the post, or at least mis-understood.

Your a nice guy zen, kinda scares me sometimes j/k

I went to a credit counsler, and what they tried to plan out fo rme is impossible for me to do...so thats out of the question


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