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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:20 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 02:26
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I've just finished creating a website which I hope will house a new community codebase.

I'm doing this completely off my own back. Some of you may have read in my other thread where I considered/request to use the existing TGC Codebase. I decided against this for a number of reasons which I explain to Rich. Basically - I felt it would have got complicated.

The new site features:
Commenting - any authenticated user can comment on any other piece of code.
Free-tagging (make your own tags) - this will be moderated. Ideally, we dont want tags like "the".
Rating - Any authenticated user can Rate another snippet.

Once there is more content on there I will start to push forward some more idea's I have. One of them is linking the snippets to an online help file - rather like the dbhelp wiki which was started a while ago. My plan for this is to have every command in the snippet as a link to a page which would effectively turn the help site from a help one to more of an "API" site.

I've toyed with the idea of forums and blogs (very easy to implement) but I dont think its fitting with the site - unless the users believe it could be useful.

I would really appreciate feedback from the community as its the community which will help to build this into a useful resource.






http://codebase.dbp-site.com/

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:22
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Sounds like a nice idea. I'll go spam- I mean post some code there later.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:30 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 02:30
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Looks good... except for the comments, which look broken in Firefox if you're not logged in (they appear on top of the "login or register" text).

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:34 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 02:34
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Ooo... Me investigates...

EDIT: AHH HOW THE HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:37 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 02:42
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I've just posted my first snippet. The system is pretty cool, the design could do with a little bit of work though. Also, the "rating cancelled" text is very hard to read on a yellow background. Apart from that, I like it!

I think this codebase has a good chance of taking off the ground and smashing into a building.

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Ok - the error with the login/register buttons is fixed - thanks for pointing that out TKF15H. You might need to force refresh the browser to clear any cached stylesheets (Usually Ctrl+F5 or Ctrl+R).

Benjamin - Thanks for the snippet
Yeah, the design its sort of done but needs the edges mopping up. That text that appears is hard to control as its generated by the module. I wanna find a way of styling it without breaking any upgrade paths on the module. I dont know what possessed the guy to create a module with a hard coded block of white on bright yellow!

Thanks guys

I should get some sleep now.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 02:56 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 02:58
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Looks really good Nick Deffinately looks promising! And a great idea it is, too. We've really needed a new place for this And someone finally took the step.

Good luck with it!

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 04:55 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 05:04
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I'm going to check it now, very interested!

Edit: Very nice! I like it. Added to favorites.

Perhaps we can contactg some of the authors of recent quality code snippets to submit to the site.

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This looks great, I just signed up.

My concern is the same as before - I hope that TGC will officially support this. Before Rich suggested that you completely code something then he could set it up here, but is that possible with the Windows server? Sounds like a mess.

In any event, I hope that it becomes a permanent part of this site. That of course would mean you need to be a Mod


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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 07:32 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 07:34
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Pretty cool! I found one bug I think? I can't see my modification log thing I typed up at the bottom of the submission form or am I blind? (Well I put it in the desciption for now)

Also the signature text doesn't actually get automatically attached does it? I noticed that my quote appeared in my text box which seems like a slightly cheap way to attach a signature :p.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 11:00 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 11:24
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Thanks for the positive feedback guys - much appreciated {

Dark Coder - The Log box is for "editorial" use. Say, for example, you put some code in there and you wanted to write a note in there to remind you of why you did something - that's where it goes.

One thing I do plan on doing is making it automatically create new revisions when you edit and resubmit a snippet. This would allow users to see that you've changed your code "n" times AND it would allow you to do something resembling a CVS DIFF on it (ie, highlight the added, removed and changed lines between two revisions). This is the type of situation where you'd use the Log textbox.

As for the Signatures - I do need to look into that. I agree - thir current implementation IS cheap. I was surprised myself when I added something to my signature and it just appeared in the comments box by default.

I want to configure the profiles to be more "user friendly". I'd like each persons profile page to be more like a Facebook page where you can leave each other comments, easily see what work they've done, etc.

As for running it on here - Drupal isn't such a big fan of IIS (and neither am I) - there are known bugs between Drupal and IIS's implementation of PHP (things like screwy headers being sent and so on). Plus integrating the Drupal Codebase with the current Userbase on here would be a nightmare. Plus it would means I'd have to spend ages of time I dont really have studying code which Rich developed over many years.

Personally - I think that if TGC want their internal Codebase to be better they should pay a developer to do it, not turn to the community - but that just my 2 cents and I dont wanna turn this thread into something it isn't - a discussion about the current TGC Codebase.

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Dark Coder - this is what we're trying to avoid
http://codebase.dbp-site.com/code/hello-world-v1-3-4

EDIT: Oh yeah - another feature "coming soon" is the code highlighter (as seen here)

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Well someone had to make Hello World

Also what happened to all these sophisticated voting systems that were planned? because some jerk voted mine one star.

Also you could add extra things like a field to list dependencies for your program i.e. Sparky's DLL, D3D DLL, a brain etc and maybe instead of a clear cut DBP / DBC selection you could have various compiler versions as DBP is probably the only language where using the latest version isn't always the best idea.

Another minor thing is that the Preview / Submit buttons are right at the bottom of the page, adding some sort of a gap such as a footer would make the page look nicer.

I also think that something should be under the User name section as it consumes a good 200px of what is already a fixed width content design, currently I only see 4 text links and the space could be better used for other info or even more code space.

Lastly there is a home button under the name of the project, this would be useful if you could have many subtrees where the whole hierarchy was displayed but currently I think it looks out of place and clicking the header image makes this unneeded.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 12:08 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 12:11
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Not bad, just added some code to it.

However, I really dislike the design.
I was only on there for about 10 minutes and my eyes started to hurt.

Personally, I prefer black text on white background.
It would be nice if it had the same sort of feel as this site does - to try and tie it in more tightly

Also, I noticed that the <p> tags don't break properly in the description.
They only do a new line, and any blank lines are ignored.
The <p> tag should put in a blank line before itself, so it's visible that it's a new paragraph.

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Not to rag on your project but what is wrong with the 1400 entries in the TGC code base?

http://www.thegamecreators.com/?m=codebase_list

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Posted: 5th Jun 2007 12:12 Edited at: 5th Jun 2007 12:12
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They're not moderatable by us, and it's gotten into quite a state...

[EDIT] Also, the additions of voting and tags is nice

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ok I can handle that.

one more question, do i retain copyright of all my scripts and free access to the external site area at all times regardless of policy changes if I do submit?

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Hmm, is it me or does copy/pasting code not work properly , I just tried copying all of Jess T's code and pasting into the default IDE and it just pasted one huge line.

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Looks very good. I hope you will be adding more navigation features in time - like search, browse by category, rating, date, author etc. Also, I'd prefer to see the link to 'home' under the navigation heading too, as it's difficult to spot where it is currently.

Sign up, log in and edit account all seems to work smoothly - only problem I had was uploading my avatar. The first time, I selected 'delete current image' and it didn't change to my uploaded one - second time I deselected the delete image, and it worked.

Just noticed, that the 'tags' links don't get separated into separate links - for example, I used 3 tags: url, download and file - and they are combined as one link. This means the words download and file are not sorted alphabetically - and I'm guessing that if someone else used, for example, the tags: open, file - the word file would be listed twice, and clicking on either one will return different results.

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I'm wondering something about rating. Should snippets be rated according to how well they perform the task and how accurate the snippet title is? For instance, Ric posted code to download a file from the internet simply and efficiently, and it does exactly what the snippet title says, so should something like this have a 5 star rating?

Or is the rating more of a 'coolness' thing (ie. really cool snippets get higher ratings)? The former would be more useful.

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Dark Coder - Voting.. Well I'm using jRating + the Voting API in Drupal at the moment. All votes are recorded so I can (once there is some data) work out a sophisticated weighting system. In any case - did you expect 5* for a Hello World?

Padding At the bottom - Will do
Username section - not entirely sure what you're referring to. Do you mean the "submitted by..." line? If so - thats going to get themed. I'm gonna do it more like I do them on www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk

Breadcrumb Hierarchy - I shall look into this. How do you all think it should work? What should be the step between current page and home page? The first category? An "All recent code" page?

Copying and Pasting issues - I shall investigate. It might be browser related, what are you using?



Jess T - Sorry you dont like the design. Personally I really like it and I've had good feedback from others too - maybe is a "marmite" site (love it or hate it). If others feel strongly about this too - I can work on adding an alternative theme (a lighter version) which you add as a default in the profile.

I'll check out the HTML filter. It should wrap <p> tags and not do <br /> - maybe I've missed a config setting.



Indi - Jess has it right. The current codebase is out of hand. I did consider importing all 1300 entries into the new one and then letting the community "vet" them by voting, etc - however I soon realised that there could be privacy issues and all kinds of other things which led me to the decision to make it entirely 3rd party.
Your question on "IP Rights" is valid. All code that goes on the site is public (at the moment). Would people like an option to make some pages "authenticated only"? Personally I feel this is not such a good idea - I'd prefer it all to be completely open.
Is your question more pertaining to me deciding to "take all your code and run" type of thing?




Ric - Definately more navigation features to come. Avatar selection is a little wierd isn't it - I'll add instructions around there to tell people that the silloutte image is a default one which cannot be deleted.
The tags should be comma seperated. All tags get "exploded" on comma, trimmed for whitespace and then if they match any other "term" names in that "vocabulary" (tags in a group) then thats the term used - otherwise a new one is made.
I'll look into your issue in more detail now.



Ben - The ratings are intended to wittle out the turds from the nuggets A decent snippet (usefull or cool) should outweight a broken entry about how to use the line function.
Would you prefer a voting system where you rate things on certain categories? I personally believe this could complicate things - but I can equally see its uses.





Here is a though that some may be interested in. I've been thinking about using Google Adsense but not in too much of a spammy way. They have a thing called Revenue Sharing where a user can sign up to Adsense and create content on a site and gain partial revenue from that site if someone clicks on an ad on their page. Drupal supports this. See this link for other sites which use this:
http://www.admoolah.com/blog/index.php/adsense-revenue-sharing-sites/
If you guys add content to the site - more people come. If someone clicks an ad on your page, you earn a little money. All for sharing your code snippets.

Any thoughts? (PS: Ads would be textual ads - better return and FAR less instrusive)

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I would like to know if what i post stays within my copyright circle and that i have access to it without a later fee down the track. no biggy.

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Quote: "Would you prefer a voting system where you rate things on certain categories?"

It would be useful, but it's too complicated. Maybe you could keep the regular rating and have it so snippets that have more posts/views/ratings get a (separate) popularity rating?

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Quote: "I would like to know if what i post stays within my copyright circle and that i have access to it without a later fee down the track. no biggy."

Oh - I'm never going to make it paid subscription and any content on there you will ALWAYS be free to add and remove.

Benjamin - I might have a seperate page which orders them by their SUM off rates (eg, 3 5*'s would be a score of 15). This would put the Über popular on another level from newly popular.

All votes are timestamped too - this means I can also do a page "most popular this week", etc.

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FRICK - I just broke the site a little... Its down for maintenance

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You better not have lost the database, it took me all of 5 seconds to copy my snippet over from these forums.

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No - no database loss... I accidentally recursively removed the theme...
"sudo rm * -R"

I knew that command would bite me in the ass one day. Its ok though - 90% of the theme was done on my dev server, so only my tweaks this morning to apply. Almost done.

EDIT: I've no idea why I used sudo - force of habit I suppose. A VERY STUPID habit at that.

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Quote: "I accidentally recursively removed the theme..."

Exactly what were you intending to do?

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The site is back...

In Drupal there is a function to aggregate many CSS files into 1 large one. However this means that updating the CSS can be annoying as it might cache the old CSS in the aggregated file. For some reason, I thought I was in the folder with the aggregated CSS and I wanted to clear the cached ones.

I know it was stupid - My brain was telling my hand to NOT hit enter, but it ignored me (they're two separate entities - hence the spelling mistakes. In my mind I write like... err.. Shakespear!)

In any case - the site is back up and running now.

I have a meeting to go to - will do some more later.

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Hmm,signed up to it.Very intresting system Nicholas.About time a new one was made.Now lets hope all Spam and false codes will get removed if they exist.(Like the 'Hello World' one...)
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Quote: "For some reason, I thought I was in the folder with the aggregated CSS and I wanted to clear the cached ones."

A had a feeling it was something like that.

It's nice how you can change your rating of a snippet and see its effect instantly.

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I like the theme. It reminds of a film I once saw about this guy who was taken out of this thing called the matrix, and all of the people in the matrix thought it was the real world, but the matrix in reality is a computer version of a world for them to live in so that the machines can drain the energy they produce.

I think it was called The Incredible Energy Producing Machine World.

But yes, nice site and a jolly good idea. I do have that small issue of pasting the selected code and seeing one big line (using firefox and programmers notepad) but I'm sure you'll address that soon or eventually.


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Nick, no worries, it's just my eyes.
They tend to get strained really easily lately (over worked, stress, etc), so white text on a black background hurts a little more.

An alternate theme from the profile would be great, though

Oh, I noticed something else, too...

I tagged my snippet as: "A*, Pathfinding", however, only the "Pathfinding" tag showed up... Could that be because of the * in A*?

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I take that back, the A* tag is there, but it only links to:
http://codebase.dbp-site.com/tags
whereas the Pathfinding tag links to:
http://codebase.dbp-site.com/tags/pathfinding

Any particular reason for this, or is that how the tagging system is meant to work?
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Quote: "I can work on adding an alternative theme (a lighter version) which you add as a default in the profile."

Yes ... Please. It must be my eyes too - that green on black is just plain hard to read.

Can I also suggest a license tag against each piece of code? Jess had to go and spoil it by posting his code as GPL

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Quote: "I like the theme. It reminds of a film I once saw about this guy who was taken out of this thing called the matrix, and all of the people in the matrix thought it was the real world, but the matrix in reality is a computer version of a world for them to live in so that the machines can drain the energy they produce.

I think it was called The Incredible Energy Producing Machine World."


It was called The Matrix It is one of the most iconic films of modern times.

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I'm using Firefox 1.5.0.12.

Also are there any plans to include a media uploading facility? because I'm planning to upload my particle library soon and not many people will have a clue how to use it without a decent example. Also there should be a way to upload multiple source files. For example if I had a function library, the first include would be just the library and the 2nd, 3rd etc would be examples that use it, currently you have to make it all in one source file which makes things a little limiting.

I think the colours work fine, I have two monitors here: a decent LCD with high contrast and brightness and a 5$ CRT and the site looks fine on both. However on the comments part I think there need to be clearer divisions between the 'Submitted by', the content and the signature.

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When I copy code from that Codebase using Firefox (2.0.0.4) it all ends up on one line when I paste it. This means I can't run the code.

It is fine if I use internet explorer, the problem is I don't really use this.

Is this just me, or do other people have this problem? Am I being stupid...is this a setting?

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Ok problems. Firstly, didn't that "home" text used to take you to the main page? Because it doesn't anymore, and that's annoying. Secondly, I can't see a place to search through snippets.

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hmm i'm gonna check it out. lloooks cool dude

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I am interested. Looks cool. Thanks

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Wow - loads of posts. That was a long meeting and I didn't get a chance to look at it last night. I'll tweak some bits today. Thanks for all the suggestions guys

Ben - you're right, That home link on the breadcrumb is quite spectacularly broken!

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The login and register buttons at the bottom when viewing a snippet when logged in are positioned wrongly aswell

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Jess - I've fixed your tag problem.

Each tag has a "system" URL of something like 'taxonomy/term/4' where 4 would be the term ID (term == tag). The system tries to generate a friendly URL automatically based on the term name. The module (PathAuto) has some words which are listed as "not worth" putting in the URL - for example, the word "a". You also shouldn't have asterisks in a URL either. So it removed the asterisk and was left with a blacklisted word. This is probably a borderline edge case bug I should report to the module author. Congratulations Jess - you found an exploit

I've sorted that now and done a little more site theming. Comments look neater now. I'm going to apply similar principles to the Snippet pages too.

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Jess T
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Hurray for me

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Nicholas Thompson
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I've done a little more tweaking - each snippet now has a "proper" breadcrumb. Unfortunately, there is only one breadcrumb - so I've made it think its path between Home and the current snippet is the first assigned category.

Alternatively, I could make the "in between" page this one:
http://codebase.dbp-site.com/recent/code

Any thoughts? Oh - the recent code, recent comments and tag pages all now have RSS feeds too. Now can you can subscribe to the recent code page on something like your Google Reader page and be notified as soon as there is new content

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Nicholas, will you transfer the existing codebase entries? You mentioned that in your first topic about this.

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I just signed up and the new codebase is great!

But make the links like the ones that say "Textual smileys" and "BBCode help" open in a new window, I had my entry all ready to post and I clicked one of them so everything dissapeared.

You never really know a person until you look at their google autocomplete entries.
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Sly D - As I mentioned in my first (I think) post on this thread - no, I wont be importing the database. That database is owned by TGC and bringing it over causes all kinds of Interlectual Property Rights issues, product ownership issues... (none of this said by TGC)... basically I felt it would be more hassle than its worth. Plus the major fact that the current database, albeit 1,300 strong, is heavily polluted with broken or 'crap' examples which are of use to nobody.

This way we're starting afresh and we can get it 'right' as determined by the community.

Code Dragon - thanks - I'll look into tweaking those. Help links should ALWAYS open in new windows so if the current ones dont, I'll change it and suggest the author of the modules does so too. You've likely indirectly contributed to the Drupal project hehe.

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Doesn't display correctly in IE6, the main menu on the right side displays at the bottom of the page below everything else. And I don't see any links on how to view entries other than "recent" ones.


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