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ThinkDigital
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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 09:47 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 10:06
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I'm actually just interested to know the ratio of people using CodeSurge to people using the original IDE, as those are the two big ones. But heck, if you use anything else, say so.

I also understand that most DBC users use DarkEDIT, though TDK's IDE was popular among DBC'ers a while ago. I'd also like to know how many people are still using the black and yellow original DBC environment

Personally, I use CodeSurge for DBP and DarkEDIT for DBC, though I use TDK's IDE occasionally (whenever I use DBC) - I loved it when he released it because it was such a relief from the ever-unchanging monotony of DarkEDIT.

I just thought it'd be interesting to see who prefers what.

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 09:49 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 09:50
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I'm using CodeSurge. Simply just love it! Before that I used the original.

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 09:52 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 09:53
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I used the original for DBP for a while too - I never experienced any of these problems involving disappearing code and whatnot... so I had no trouble with it - but I find CodeSurge much more "refined" - in the sense that it simply seems less bulky, if you know what I'm saying.

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 09:58 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 09:58
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CodeSurge for DBP and DarkEDIT for DBC (although I haven't used DBC in ages). I did use the original editors though for ages though. Something about the original DBC reminded me of STOS. ie. clunky and not very good, but good memories...

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Codesurge, always. It's fast, stable, and functional.

I've lost code in every other editor. Not much code, but it should never be a risk. Once though Blue IDE overwrote some include files with the contents of the main file. I lost a day's work, about 1000 lines of code, and it killed my interest in that particular project.

Before the last update Codesurge would crash about once a week, but I could still save and exit. Never a problem. With the latest update, it never crashes.


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Yep, Codesurge is by far the best. Although better Help functionality would be good (rubbish at getting the correct command you want F1 help for). Oh, and the visual studio shortcuts (TAB and ALT+TAB work nicely on multiple selected lines I see) of SHIFT+F2 and SHIFT+CTL+F2 would be *seriously* nice (they goto a function you happen to have the cursor on, and go back X steps of where you where (so go inside a function, then go back to where you were before) - actually loops around eventually).

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 10:43 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 10:46
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I should use Cordesurge, but I use the original. To be honest, it's a complete bag of rubbish. Probably the worst editor I've ever used in any language, with the exception of old style dos editors, but I'm used to it now.

The code loss bug only occurs when you have multiple source files, and it's as a result of syntax errors. When a syntax error is detected on a page other than the main source file page, it sometimes wipes that source file from cache/ram (although the file itself is still on the HD). It's only if you then click SAVE ALL, that you save this now blank file to disc and overwrite the good one.

If you compile and you see a blank screen, you know the source file has been killed off, so you just reload it before you save (and also check all the other source files to make sure they've not been blanked out too). The easiest work around is to SAVE ALL before each compile. While this is obviously completely unacceptable, I know exactly how to deal with the bug now, so can work with it without fear. Still should definitely try CodeSurge at some point though ... just too lazy.


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Quote: "Still should definitely try CodeSurge at some point though"
Too right. I left it for ages too (liked the original DBP as I wrote a few plugins for it) but eventually saw the light. There is a few rough edges, but as good as it gets so far.

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Synergy Editor all the way. As found out by Olby, it is the fastest IDE available as it is built in C++. It's still beta though, so don't trust it yet, although no one has lost code yet...

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I've been devote to both the SynergyIDE and Editor. Though, I must admit ive somewhat betrayed the IDE for Synergy Editor. Very convenient, aesthetic and smart. I dont see my self straying for Synergy Editor, anytime soon.

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I bought Synergy some time back, and it was so bad at the time that I vowed never to touch it again. It was huge, bloated, slow, and every update failed to address the core issues. The customer service that I received was very lacking. Now with Codesurge I've not looked back.


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I use Synergy editor and Blue IDE. I haven't had any problems with either. When I get caught up and actually get to do some more coding of my own (hopefully a couple of days), I'll give code surge another run and see about it.

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Quote: "It is the fastest IDE available"
Not exactly my first requirement in an IDE...

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 15:09 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 15:09
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No one said that it was the first requirement. It is however one of the main features, others being stability, customisation, heavy testing etc.

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Quote: "No one said that it was the first requirement"
Fair enough, but apart from the compiling (and I take that is using DBP's compiler) nothing much else needs speeding up IMO. I mean it shows text as fast as I can type, colour highlighting of syntax isn't slow, scrolling seems fine, detection of functions seems ok... there isn't much else I need. Even if colour highlighting can be twice as fast, I probably wouldn't notice it (as it is fast already). Unless major parts of an IDE drag like no tomorrow (which I don't believe CodeSurge does) then no real advantage. Suppose for seriously outdated computers, but then would be a bit daft to be doing DBP development in the first place.

Obviously I might be missing an obvious element here...

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Thats cool. If you like another product then that is fine by me, it's just my job to let people know of alternatives

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 16:00 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 16:00
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No worries. I never really messed with the IDE (apart from the original DBP IDE plugins where I wrote some of them but couldn't find the time to actually write in DBP itself ) until DBP killed some code. Then I found CodeSurge at the time and it seemed to do the job. Can't remember if I tried Synergy, so I might give it a go.

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I put off using codesurge for a while because i was so used to using the original DBP editor, but i rarely use the original editor now and i am sticking with codesurge until the day it completely mucks up one of my projects...


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Out of interest I thought I might try Synergy, so I clicked on the link in your sig and then chose the Lite version to give it a whirl. But the link is dead.

Also, what is the difference between the Lite version and the full whack one? I mean I don't mind paying the cash to buy it if I really like it, but I might not like it so much if it is missing loads of useful functionality. Hmmm. Folding functions eh? I have missed that from CodeSurge I must admit. Out of interest does it do the VS F2 commands (enter a function, go back to previous point etc)?

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Dazzag you'll want to grab Synergy Editor from http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=105348&b=29.

The non-commercial/lite editions are not licenced, so you can't create anything commercial or enter a competition. However, you can use it for general coding use.

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Quote: "However, you can use it for general coding use."

That sounds pointless.


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Cash Curtis II, Can you watch your personal insults please or I will noob slap you again. Your posts are completely pointless.

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@John Y,
How can you honestly say that Synergy Editor is "faster" than any other IDE out there? What part is faster? What benchmarks have you done to prove it? As an example, maybe Synergy can parse out the function declarations faster than any other IDE, but the syntax highlighting is slower. As long as there isn't any noticeable lag on a large project, a few nanoseconds won't make any difference to anyone. Just because you're using C++ doesn't really mean a thing as far as I'm concerned.

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 16:25 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 16:27
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hyrichter,

Try for yourself. Download Synergy Editor and start it up, it will start up faster than any other IDE, and use less memory.

Some reasons:
* No heavy 3rd party controls, everything is there for a reason
* Cached highlighting files sorted without any duplicates
* Low level GDI+ drawing routine written entirely by me for DB Pro's syntax.

Synergy IDE on the other hand is slower, because it does things at a much higher level.

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Quote: "Cash Curtis II, Can you watch your personal insults please"

That wasn't a personal insult.

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Quote: "Try for yourself"
Then fix the lite link I mentioned was bust in the previous post.

Quote: "I'm working on another CS update"
Cool. How about those mentioned F2 VS type functions? Pleeasseeee... as a long time VB user I'm always hitting those keys.

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Wow John Y, that wasn't a personal insult at all. I don't see why someone would code if they couldn't use their project for anything.

And you're threatening to noob slap me, again? Because I don't like Synergy and feel like I got ripped off by you, even though nothing of the kind was mentioned? I didn't personally insult you at all.

You respond by threatening to abuse your mod powers. Do whatever you feel you need to. Please noob slap me. It will just confirm what I already know. It will also show everyone else.

Quote: "Your posts are completely pointless."

And that is completely called for.


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Quote: "Then fix the lite link I mentioned was bust in the previous post."


Yep, I'm on it.

@Cash Curtis II

If you insult what I make, you insult me. Constructive criticism I am fine with, hence it is only you on this forum that I have a problem with. I ignore you the rest of the time, keep anything you feel about Synergy IDE to yourself and we will both be fine.

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If I don't like a product, I'm free to say so. I will not be quiet simply because you threaten to noob slap me.

And I didn't insult you. I can if you would like to make this personal, as it seems you are.


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You guys fail at life.

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John,
I tried to, but the download link is broken. It only downloads about 1.3 meg of the 2.25 needed. I've tried it a few times, and the same thing happens each time.

@Dazzag,
I'm not a VS user, but I think I understand what you're talking about. In the Delphi IDE, you hold down the ctrl key and click on a function or variable and it will take you to the function or to the variable's declaration. You can also move back and forward like you're saying. It's very very useful, I agree, and I've wanted to get something like this implemented. It's just hard to keep up with all the feature requests and the rest of my life at the same time.

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The link in the thread (e.g. http://forumfiles.thegamecreators.com/?i=1180782)? Cheers, I'll mirror it.

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Quote: "you hold down the ctrl key and click on a function"
Sort of. Only you don't need the mouse. Wherever the cursor is then press SHIFT+F2. If your cursor is on a line calling a function then it will goto the function. It also goes to an object list if it is an object, but thats not important here. If you then wanted to go back to where you were before jumping into the function then use CTL+SHIFT+F2. Infact keep pressing it to jump back to the last X places (then it wraps around). Totally useful in practice and something I really really miss outside of VS.

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Here you go guys http://domain1337773.sites.fasthosts.com/SynergyEditor/Synergy_Editor_4_6_07.zip

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John, I downloaded from the link you gave above and unzipped the zip to a folder on the desktop, but running the exe gives me "This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem".

Note I never installed it. Just unzipped to a new folder on the desktop and ran the exe that was inside.

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You need the latest MFC runtimes (dll's) as it is written using the Visual Studio 2005 C++ compiler.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=32bc1bee-a3f9-4c13-9c99-220b62a191ee&DisplayLang=en (no WGA)

or you can get them in the 3rd post at

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=105348&b=29

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Codesurge for me. I find it is one of the best IDE's I have used. It supports the somewhat standard of docking windows now without feeling to 'curvy' a la OfficeXP/03.

I've had no problems with it at all, folding functions would be nice though...hyrichter....


On another note though am I the only person who has NEVER had any major or code-losing problem with the default IDE. Sure there are SOME niggles but every product has them, albeit some have more than others.


I think alot comes down to personal tastes and preferences but what would be useful is for an INDEPENDANT ide analysis, heck I may even do it. That would involve testing all ide's 'scientifcally' on the same criteria etc to finally generate a product comparison guide that can be used to answer these sort of threads instanaeously.

That was not a personal insult or attack at the thread creator but would be a useful addition. It could also consist of 'ratings' say each section out of 10 and then comparing and creating 'grades'. It would also provide useful marketing and PR value for the authors of the software


Anyone interested if this happened?


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Um not wanting to get dragged into any arguements but from a perfectly neutral point of view Cash Curtis has merely expressed an opinion, much like you did by expressing Synergy as the 'fastest IDE' (unless there is some evidence in that case it becomes a fact ).

Also does that mean whenever we say we don't like the Xbox 360 (for example) we are saying we don't like Bill Gates?


Finally, telling him to keep his opinions to himself is actually 'denying' him of his freedom of speech...
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Ah right. I guess the full one uses an installer?

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Nah, still didn't work after running that. Although it strangely didn't give me any "completed" screen.

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Quote: "Which IDE do you use for darkbasic?"

Visual Studio .NET 2005 Professional (.NET 2.0) w/ DGDK.NET

does that count?

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There's always one....

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Emailed you

PowerSoft,

Thanks for your input, but I doubt Bill Gates slaved over a hardware book and made the XBox 360 himself. Also, as I mentioned Olby was the one who found it faster, excerpt from development site:

STARTUP TIME:

First launch:
# Synergy = 4 sec.
# Codesurge = 10 sec.

Repeated launch:
# Synergy = 2 sec.
# Codesurge = 5 sec.


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Memory Usage:
# Synergy = 8700 K
# Codesurge = 11944 K

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Must be a slow machine. Codesurge takes maybe a second and a half tops to load on mine with a 1100 line program (3 different DBA files). Still think it is a little slow as it is updating the screen as it draws it when starting up. So you get it sort of building the screen as it opens. Would be better if it only started showing the screen once it had finished drawing it. Probably a lot of slow down just there. I almost finished an IDE for Dragon Basic (short lived GBA language) a while back in VB6 and launching was extremely fast once I controlled the screen drawing.

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Codesurge isn't that slow to load for me :S

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Think mine normally takes under a second from clicking to being ready to type. Nothing major. Even if it took 30 seconds I wouldn't be that bothered. I mean if I was then I definitely wouldn't use Firefox instead of IE for example.

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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 18:05
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Unless the loading time is obscene, it doesn't matter. GH is 19,000 lines and Codesurge loads in less than 3 seconds. More to the point, it works fabulously when it's open. Completely solid and stable, and everything works as it should. It's free, and there are no restrictions on its use. I hope TGC adopts it as their official IDE.


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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 18:14 Edited at: 6th Jun 2007 18:16
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Quote: "
Some reasons:
* No heavy 3rd party controls, everything is there for a reason
* Cached highlighting files sorted without any duplicates
* Low level GDI+ drawing routine written entirely by me for DB Pro's syntax."


I think that is worded a bit poorly - because you are using 3rd party controls (BCGSoft control sets) - whether they're 'heavy' is personal opinion really

The last point is somewhat 'fuzzy' too - you wrote GDI drawing routines for DB syntax? This is a bit strange seeing as though you're also using the BCGSoft Professional Editor, unless you're talking of something else besides the syntax highlighter (or your syntax highlighter has an extremely uncanny resemblance to the BCGSoft one)


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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 18:27
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virtual void OnDrawText (CDC* pDC);

BCGSoft's control does not do DBP syntax, so I wrote my own

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 22:17
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Guys, don't turn this into flamebait over which IDE to use, please. If some people are happy using Synergy, and others are happy using CodeSurge, and others are happy using other things, it's not really polite to insult them just because they're happy using an editor that you don't like. There's really no need to try and prove any editor is better than another by how fast it loads or how much memory it uses. We're trying to see what and why people use what they do, not force OUR editors on people who don't already use them.

And now that I've said that,
Quote: "Visual Studio .NET 2005 Professional (.NET 2.0) w/ DGDK.NET

does that count?"

Sure it does, why not?

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Posted: 6th Jun 2007 22:46
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CodeSurge

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