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FPS Creator X10 / System requirements (Pease read before you get FPSC x10)

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Squelchy Tom
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2007 18:15
would a quad core at 2.4ghz run x10 better than a dual at 3.0ghz?
MartinS
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Will an AMD work as well as an Intel? (AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ dual-core - 2.1GHz VS Intel Core 2 Duo processor E4400 (2.0GHz)) Because the $120 price difference between the AMD and Intel is seriously way to large unless it really wont be up to par. Understand that I'm hoping to keep this computer for about 5 years, but I don't want to buy the Intel until I have to. (Low-budget freak, that's me, I saved up 280 good bucks, but then decided to spend it on a Wii ) lol

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I just got a new laptop with NVIDIA grphics and it's running Direct X 10, but it says something about 3d graphics when I load up the demo. What's wrong with my comp? Any chance they are gonna widen the requirments cuz i got only 1.8ghz processor and 2 gb ram.

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@Will da gamr: Is your "NVIDIA grphics" anything in the 8-series? (8400, 8500, 8600)

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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 21:18
@Kronos: FPSC X10 will 'run' on those specs, but you should seriously upgrade the gfx to at least an 8600 GTS.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 22:39
It's recommended you get an 8800 anything else and you may have problems running FPSC X10 well,
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 22:47
Quote: "It's recommended you get an 8800 anything else and you may have problems running FPSC X10 well,"

Keep in mind 2 things...
1. They are still working on x10 and when they started the only card was the uberexpensive 8800.Now sooner or later I am sure that they will optimize FPSC to run on the 8600,which is the only affordable alternative for some people (like me).And hopefully on the other lower cards as well.
2. Having to absolutely have an 8800 to run x10 is counterproductive to x10 sales and their target market so i am sure TGC knows this and are going to make every effort to optimize x10 for other direct x10 compatible cards.

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Thanks,
But if I shall upgrade my gfx, I wait to FPSCX10 comes

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Slayer222
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 23:25
I emailed Rick about this and he said that 8400 or lower ran "unacceptably". This means 8400s, 8300s, etc. are now useless when it comes to X10. Now how well do you think it will work well on a 8600 or 8500? I'm not optimistic Also with people whining for X10 and Lee no doubt up to his ears in trying to get X10 working perfectly on an 8800 there will likely not be much time for tweaking. I hate to admit this more than anyone else (seeing as my budget is already nil and my 830 apparently useless) But I doubt X10 will work on a 8500 or lower maybe it won't even work on a 8600 or 8700
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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 23:54
If x10 can't get optimal performance with the 8600 we are all in the soup.How many people can actally afford an 8800?I can't.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2007 05:30
Heh, I'm sure my FPSC X10 experience will run well when I get a Vista with an 8800 GTS 640 MB, and an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 5800+ Socket AM2 Processor in under $2000! Let's just say we've got a friend who makes computers, and sells them for cheaper prices.
Squelchy Tom
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Posted: 5th Sep 2007 19:51
considoring an 8800 is only about £80/90 more than a 8600 i would say most people would save up for an 8800 because it will last longer than any other card on the market.

Alternitavly SLI/crossfire 2 8600's and i am sure you will get close to the same preformance of an 8800:/
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Posted: 5th Sep 2007 23:16
Sorry Fred but here is his words exactly:

"Hi,



I would say avoid anthing less than an 8800 and wait till Novemeber when cards of the quality of 8800 but at a mainstream price will hit the market.


Rick"

Sorry if your "in the soup" now, I think I am too even tho I have no clue what that means,
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I remember reading that now...I am in no hurry to get a direct x 10 graphics card although I am seriously thinking about getting a cheap new graphics card...since the fine folks at Best Buy put a discontinued Intel crappy one in my PC.Shader support would be nice...
I am going to upgrade to direct x 10 and I am in the process of doing so one piece at a time.I really do think they will try to optimize it so it works on the lower end x10 compatible graphics cards.They are going all out on this.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2007 03:38
Yeah but FPSC has never been good with its performance/compatibility it's a trade off I think, one or the other. FPSC runs horribly sometimes, OK at best but X10 should run very well but as a result you need a specific (and very expensive) graphics card to run it or it's games,
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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 01:26
i was wonderin if x10 will work on my laptop , its got dual core
windows vista nVidia 8600 and 200GB and i think 2GB worth of ram
i know that youve posted the requirements but i just wanted to make sure ...



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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 21:31
It'll work, but don't expect "50 enemies in a room".

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Posted: 18th Sep 2007 00:36
It will work but barely and maybe not even close to the way it works or looks in the videos.
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2007 11:45
Let me give some assurance.

My current setup
3.0 Dualie
2 Gig ram (fair latency)
8600GT
Vista 64bit

Well it was quite a hard job getting the tech demo to work.When it did I wasn't impressed at all.But I did consider the fact that this was fairly new code and at the time no 8600GT's were availible to optimize the code for.

Taken into account that the code was not optimized I still got a fair frame rate (around 27 with spikes to 30 and that proves that the code wasn't very optimized)on the tech demo which could have been higher if I had a core2duo installed.Ram played an important part here.

I'm pretty sure that lower end systems should do okay but will not be super fast.You can speculate what the final system requirements will be.

But I my self can only recomend what you should do.
AMD at this point in time is not suited unless you get a high end CPU or some thing better is released as some of their X 2 series of CPU's still gives they same prefromance as did P4's did.

Core2quad is the way to go core2duo CPU's are fine however this might require you to upgrade sooner so rather save up some more and get a quad CPU's in the long run it's better.
8600GTS gpu's would be fine.8800GT the best and if you can 8800GTS would be better.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2007 18:04
Well 30 FPS on a program that usually runs at over 100 FPS isn't very assuring But yes I see your point, I will wait a little after the X10 release to see how it plays on other peoples 8600s,
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@ Slayer Simon about ur specs post...


GET RID OF THE P4 get the duo...
exspecailly if ya got a 8800 and 2gb ram

lol im in AMD 3800x2 and 1gbram and 8600gt hope ill run it o ill need Vista

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Posted: 17th Oct 2007 02:49
Why will v10 only run on Vista?
That is terrible.
We all know what kind of bloated OS Vista is.
Why not make v10 compatible with XP as well?
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@bbacle: it's not terrible, it's life. But really, didn't you bother to read the thread? It's already been posted like twice here, and like 50+ times everywhere else... search!

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Quote: "Why not make v10 compatible with XP"

because it uses DX 10 thats is not avliable on XP but some of the features will be ported back to X9

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Posted: 17th Oct 2007 16:59
...And it's not v10, it's X10 for the DirectX 10. And just about everyone should know by now that it's Vista-only feature.
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Quote: "would a quad core at 2.4ghz run x10 better than a dual at 3.0ghz? "

I don't know for sure but...

4 x 2.4 = 9.6 ghz
2 x 3.0 = 6.0 ghz

not to mention the fact that theoretically the quad core can process twice as much simutaniously than the dual core.

I would bet that the quad is faster.

Here's a benchmark test if you want to scroll down to the chart that has the quads and duos.
Check out the XEON dual quad (8 cores).
I wish I had seen those before I bought my quad.

The thing is, multiple processor allow you to run more processes simutaniously.
You won't see as much performance increase running a single application as you would running multiple programs.
So, the tests can be biased.
If both machines were only utilizing a single core, then the dual core's single core would theoreticaly be faster at 3.0 than the quad's single core of 2.4
I'm only guessing, because I am no expert, but with all of the programs running in the background nowadays your best bet might be to get as many processing cores as you can.
That total ghz pointed out up above comes into play when all of the cores are being utilized.

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I have a NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GS... Would that be enough to run X10? Or would I have to get a new computer... The card is on my laptop... Would I have to get a new computer? Or would I have to change the graphic card (Impossible, I've looked)?


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ARGGGHHH! OK! you need a nvida 8800 FOR X10 TO WORK! thank you

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What's the minimum requerments for X10? Let me guess, 8800?


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Edit: How do I check what's the DX on my card?


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The 7900 is a DX 9c card.

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Dang...


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Wait, I did update my card to DX10, I downloaded an update... Should it work now?


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Posted: 21st Oct 2007 00:11
I don't think it will. Because your card doesn't support X10. Or what do i know? If it actually working, wich i don't think it will. It will not run very nice.

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OK, I will make this easy for you to understand, cause you must have totally missed my last post, X10 (First Person Shooter Creator X10) will only work on a vista computer, with better than decent memory and stuff, and a nvidia 8800 card. Not a 7900, not a 7800, not a crappy 4000 series, not even a 8400. Now do you understand? That is the downfall of X10 IMO, not many people have the system that can run it, so anybody who will buy your game will most likely be put off by the requirements for at least another 2 years when 7000s and 8000s are considered outdated. Sorry to disappoint.
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P.S. No even if your card is updated to X10, or X11 for that matter it won't help, a 7900 is just to under-powered, sure it may run, but like trash if it does.

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Yeah, I understand... Looks like I'll have to spend 1500 dollers on a new computer, with vista... And getting a new graphic card...

I have a vista laptop... Which I cannot change the card on it.


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Which I don't have that kinda money.


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Hey I can't afford it either but that won't stop me, goodbye 1400 bucks.

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You do realize that you don't have to spend $1500+ to run X10, the computer I've been meaning to get for a while now will only cost about $900. It's got an AMD 2.4 GHz Dual Core Proccessor, 2 gigs of RAM, and an 8800 gts. Oh, and Vista. That said, AMD isn't the best of choices, but I'm guessing it'll run about the same as a Core 2 Duo 2.0-ish proccessor, which, to me, is plenty fine.

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Point me to where you got it please!

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Sure thing. Here's a link to the HP site: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=desktops&a1=Usage&v1=Entertainment+and+multimedia&series_name=a6250z_series.
You'll still need to buy a new power supply and an 8800, though. The computer itself should cost around $550.

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I have this setup:

AMD Athlon64 X2 3800+ Dual Core
2GB RAM
ATI RADEON X1900XTX 512mb


would that work fine for x10?

the x1900 series is dx10 too

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Quote: "You do realize that you don't have to spend $1500+ to run X10, the computer I've been meaning to get for a while now will only cost about $900. It's got an AMD 2.4 GHz Dual Core Proccessor, 2 gigs of RAM, and an 8800 gts. Oh, and Vista. That said, AMD isn't the best of choices, but I'm guessing it'll run about the same as a Core 2 Duo 2.0-ish proccessor, which, to me, is plenty fine.
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Well, I have an XP desktop that I can upgrade. I got carried away with that who $1500 dollers thing. I'm talking... Getting a new graphics card (Might get two for more speed... FASTER SPEED).

A new Vista CD that I need to install (Which I have on the laptop... But I can't change the card on that one.). so... Basicly comes up to about $400-$500 dollers... Which... I only have $100...

Plus the price X10 is going to be if I don't (Probobly won't) win the Phoenix contest... Which, I don't know how much yet... Hope it's not a $200 doller program... Or I'm sunk...


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PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!

i have vista, and a 8400GS/8500GT OC vid card, but it keeps complaining my card isn't dx10 compatible!!!!!!!

what do I do, ive been trying sooo many things!

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 22:41
oh yeah... my sys specs:

AMD Athlon X2 64 clocked at 2.1GHZ
HP w1907 wide screen 19" flat panel
Nvidia Geforce 8400GS 256MB
Nvidia Geforce 8500GT 256MB OC
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows XP Pro
Realtek HDMI 7.1 Sound Card
StarGate0789 RAID - 0 160GB
StarGate0790 RAID - 0 300GB

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Will X10 work with the 64 bit version of Vista or only the 32 bit version?
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Quote: "PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!

i have vista, and a 8400GS/8500GT OC vid card, but it keeps complaining my card isn't dx10 compatible!!!!!!!

what do I do, ive been trying sooo many things!"

If it's the demo you're talking about, it won't run on any other card than Nvidia 8800. The full version will support other DX10 cards as well.

BTW, those are very low-end cards.
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RedRocker:

It will work on both the 64 bit and the 32 but version.


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Will FPS Creator x10 work with windows vista x64 or will it only work with the 32 bit version?
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