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flashing snall
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:24
ALRIGHT! im bored, and got thinking about brain power... by brain power, i mean like stuff you cant do with your brain, like move objects without useing physical of verbal means.
at first, anyone would say, "duh,, you cant do that!" BUT CAN YOU!

awhile back, scientists started to test with transmitting electric waves through the air, like radio signals, only different.

doesnt you body have an electric pulse? isnt that why difibulators work?

so those are all my facts i think are really true, know i go on guessing and semi logic.

Your brains output some electricity. electricity equals power. power has potential to do things, like move objects. so if you brain put out enough eclitricity, could it do somthing.
When the body NEEDS to do somthing, like live, they are pushed to a new level, and body functions increase to help them servive. if you NEED to move somthing ahead of you, would it be possible to make your brain output enough brain power, transmit the electricity to the object by controllingit, and then move the object with it?

eh. this idea popped into my head, but who knows?

sort of the same idea for people who claim they had a dream about a certain thing everytime some close to them dies. the dude who dies may have sent a 'distress call'. but thats pushing somthing thats already been pushed off a thousand foot ledge.


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:31
I think that's a good reasoning there, but I don't think the theory holds. I don't think our body produces enough energy, nor that it can send it over such distances. The electric signals in our body are absolutely minor.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:40
Yeah, like tha_rami said, while we do have some electric and other strange signals/power in us, it's not enough to do much with. I think there are people who can actually concentrate the electricity to shock someone or transfer it to an object, but even that is very small.


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:49
Dude, it's like exercising, start small, like a small pebble or smaller, and then try to move it.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:51 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2007 06:52
Yes, SSS, we all exercise that when we're 0 years old. We use our brain signals to move things. The missing part of the puzzle is that the brains don't directly move the item, but it steers the muscle which moves the item.

Back to the theory, our body is built in such a way that it is does what it does in the most efficient way. Electric pulses that move an item require far more energy than a simple push. Therefore, the brains will not adapt to this.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 06:54
It's called motivation, mentally though. Remember that guy that cut off his hand because it got stuck under a boulder? Well what caused him to do something stupid like that? Motivation did of course...

Should be similar for moving things with the mind. I just think you all think it's impossible because it's never been done before. Think about it. I mean, for goodness sakes they made a movie about it called Matilda.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 09:54
Its a cool concept, I could picture my self using one of those bioshock telekenis plasmids 1 day to enchance those signals, and make dinner without even moving
They say we use only 10% of our brains power, wonder what the other 90% does?

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 10:31
I saw something on discovery channel were they had this headband thing that picked up the electric current that moves around in the brain and enhanced it very much so, and sent it to a box that translated the signals to commands. Was cool, the guy just sat there and played the game Oni without lifting a finger.

Science has yet again accomplished a huge task of making people even less active than before. In the future, we will all just lie around, fat and slobby, doing "nothing" whilst everything around us seems to move about. Then when the machines get smart enough, they will take advantage of our inability to move around and suck our lifeforce out. Like the matrix.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 10:41 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2007 10:42
Quote: "Science has yet again accomplished a huge task of making people even less active than before. In the future, we will all just lie around, fat and slobby, doing "nothing" whilst everything around us seems to move about. Then when the machines get smart enough, they will take advantage of our inability to move around and suck our lifeforce out. Like the matrix."

You think? And yet somehow, things like the Wii, which is a game console and so the whole point is to be aable to do something you wouldn't do otherwise becasue of cold/it's to demanding on your energy/it's too expenisve, is trying to make things as realistic as possible; in tennis you have to move around to hit the ball, you can't just sit on the sofa eating your McDonalds. In the futre the heat of the sahara desert and the pain of falling onto rocks will all become real; cold will be digitally produced and you'll get real bruises in virtual wrestling.
Also I doubt about the intelligent life sucking machines thing, but then you were being sarcastic.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 10:53
Yeah the Wii is a good example, there are more examples that prove my point though, like most things in mechanics and technology in general getting more automated.

Quote: "Also I doubt about the intelligent life sucking machines thing, but then you were being sarcastic."


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 11:04
Here's my take on it:

The electricity in your body is too small to move big objects at distances, however, we as humans only use 5 to 7% of our brains, Einstein used around 9 to 12% of his, and the reason for that is simply because one part of his brain grew larger than another part, or something similar to that effect.

If we could utilize a larger percentage of our brain, we would have less energy, but our brain would have more energy, which means more electricity. In a highly concentrated state, you *might* be able to move a pebble that is sitting pretty close to your brain, or via a metal pole sticking to your head (For conduction), and would be able to send jolts of energy into that small pebble.

Any electricity in the air would likely be distorted by the air itself, and would have less and less impact on whatever object farther and farther away. As well (If electricity has a velocity), the friction between the electricity and the air would slow the electricity down, despite utilizing thermal energy.


I have a question though, to perhaps someone who knows... The law of energy conservation states that energy is neither created, nor destroyed. Considering that, why do we need to use a power source, constantly? Would it not be more efficient that once the energy is obtained, to re-use it? Energy can be converted from any one form, to any other form, so why can't why use a constant source of energy.

Just curious though.



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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 11:13
Quote: "Motivation did of course... "

SSS..that was the most insensitive thing I've seen you say about an accident..maybe its just casue I'm tired but that really ticked me off.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 11:19
Now use the electricity in your brain to fry him into many millions of peices.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 11:49
Another slight flaw in the theory is, the reason why we invented electric motors is to turn electrical energy into kinetic energy. Electricity doesn't move things. Even millions of volts from lightning only damages/burns the items it comes into contact with. It doesn't give them all significant amount of kinetic energy.

So if for some reason you could generate power mentally, send it through a non conductive medium (i.e. your face, and the air) in a predictable manner, to an inanimate object, it wouldn't move. You might be able to change your TV channel, but good luck finding the right circuit and sending it the exact current and voltage so as not to blow it up!


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 12:04
Quote: "we as humans only use 5 to 7% of our brains, Einstein used around 9 to 12% of his, and the reason for that is simply because one part of his brain grew larger than another part, or something similar to that effect."


No.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 12:59
DAMNIT! I just responded to this! It's not showin' up for some reason.. But basically I was saying that I was wrong, and admitted to that, but what I was talking about was that brain "mapping" thing.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 13:21 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2007 13:27
All i can say is that it's scary!

What if you all of a sudden start to think about porn, and this hardcore porn movie starts playing loudly on your computer while you're having guests over. Your mind will be too occupied from being embarrased that you can't consentrate to produce the right signals that turn it off.

"oops"

Or something similar, you know what i mean.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2007 13:35
That's lame. Having to grasp candy with a robotic arm? Why didn't he just use electricity to levitate the candy to his mouth? n00b!


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They did that with a prosthetic limb, they took the electric signals that are emitted from the stump in someones arm and translated them so it moved when he wanted too, was pretty damn cool.

As for moving things with your brain, i don't think its possible.

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Quote: "As for moving things with your brain, i don't think its possible."


So if I cut out your brain and threw it at the cocunut shy, you don't think I could win?!?!


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Quote: "but what I was talking about was that brain "mapping" thing."


What?! How could have been??

So you're claiming you meant to say...

Quote: "we as humans only have 5 to 7% of our brains mapped, Einstein had around 9 to 12% of his mapped, and the reason for that is simply because one part of his brain grew larger than another part"


!?

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No... Just no. I figured "mapped" was a better way of wording it, but I guess not. Though all of our brain is in use, how much of it are you using to actually "think"? What parts of your brain are you accessing currently? Do you, on your conscious level know exactly what messages your brain is sending out to your heart to make it beat? Could you alter these messages to make your heart stop beating? Can you tell your brain to just all of a sudden stop working, or stop processing pain or other types of feelings? Can you make your vision stop or start working with this apparent information you have from your brain? THAT is what I meant. What you are thinking, that defines YOU, and your actions, your "style", etc, is only about 5 to 10% of your brains everyday processes, is what I am trying to say. At least, that's what I've assumed of what has been said, having excess brain that isn't necessary is just stupid.


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1. Where are you getting the 5 - 10% figure from? I would imagine that conscious thought and emotions etc. actually make up around (complete guess) 80 or 90% of overall brain use, but I have no idea, so I won't state an amount. What evidence have you got for the 5% figure?

2. So you are saying that Einstien used less of his brain for essentially bodily functions? So, we need 95% for controlling our bodies and we have 5% left over, but he only needs 85% for his body so has more left over??

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Chris K,

Though I can see what you are getting at, you seem to not be reading what I'm saying. I have already stated that that 5% or so figure was retrieved from said myth, and that was the basis I thought of.

Next, vision supposedly requires 70% of your brain's processing power. I heard that off of a program on either the discovery or science channel. I also read that in a school book.

Read something about Einstein's brain, you'll see what I mean. Something to do with a speach impediment. But that certainly wouldn't free up 5% of his brain, would it? (That's a real question, btw)


It appears clear that you haven't been reading what I've been saying, and you don't need 80% of the brain you're apparently using to do that.


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Quote: "I have already stated that that 5% or so figure was retrieved from said myth"


Where did you state that?

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http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/how.html
I guess this could help clear up the 10% theories.
But people seem to be getting abit uptight over this topic lol keep it nice

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I've seen that paralysed guy on TV, was amazing
Hey you could plug him into a huge machine and he could be like some awesome comic villain

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woa. this is creepy. if you combine this paralized guys powers with high tech machines, imagen what could be done. however, i everyone might have to become paralized.


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No they just put a chip in his head that reads the impulses from his brain, so anyone could do it

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Doc Oc here I come...

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Sorry about the insensitivity, it was late last night and I wasn't half aware of what I was posting.
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Quote: "It's called motivation, mentally though. Remember that guy that cut off his hand because it got stuck under a boulder? Well what caused him to do something stupid like that? Motivation did of course..."

Well he cut off his hand because if he didn't he would die! Infact in those circumstances that isn't a "stupid" thing to do, leaving himself attached to it under the boulder and dying would be stupid.
As far as moving things with your brain goes, give me 100% proof (i.e. do it right in front of my face with no means of slight of hand etc) and I'll beleive it, until then I call bullcrap.

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I want are technology to behave how it does for the Ancients in Stargate Atlantis, where all the technology helps you out a lot but doesn't just do it for you.

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Quote: "awhile back, scientists started to test with transmitting electric waves through the air, like radio signals, only different.

doesnt you body have an electric pulse? isnt that why difibulators work?

so those are all my facts i think are really true, know i go on guessing and semi logic.

Your brains output some electricity. electricity equals power. power has potential to do things, like move objects. so if you brain put out enough eclitricity, could it do somthing.
When the body NEEDS to do somthing, like live, they are pushed to a new level, and body functions increase to help them servive. if you NEED to move somthing ahead of you, would it be possible to make your brain output enough brain power, transmit the electricity to the object by controllingit, and then move the object with it?"

PLEASE tell me that you are not a university student or anything higher than that...
It would be much nicer to believe you just don't know how electricity works yet. (your logic isn't horribly flawed).

I'm not a electrician myself, but ism pretty sure it would take an enormous amount of electricity to make the jump from your head to whatever object through the air. (Hence why they can leave powerful batteries sitting in the open air without worry of them "shorting" out).

and of course any electricity your brain may "produce" is in the end coming from whatever food you are eating, so yes, there is a limit in that sense (your metabolism is only so efficient).

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Quote: "They say we use only 10% of our brains power, wonder what the other 90% does"


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This convo is one step stupider than that one convo where people were trying to explain how steam rises.

Seriously people, moving objects with electrical fields? I've never experienced my computer hovering, and it's right next to an electrical outlet.

Let's think here sometimes people!

And that article about using all your brain potential. That is bull**. The limit for gaining knowledge and the potential for ESP are two very different things.

Needless to say, if you want to install a pipe in your forehead to move objects, I say go ahead!


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Jerico'll even install it for you.

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Damnit, it didn't get posted like it should have:
Quote: "DAMNIT! I just responded to this! It's not showin' up for some reason.."

You'll notice that that post is left unedited as well. Excuse that though, I must have been tired.


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Quote: "PLEASE tell me that you are not a university student or anything higher than that... "


lol, nope, just a freshmen in highschool.

Quote: "This convo is one step stupider than that one convo where people were trying to explain how steam rises.

Seriously people, moving objects with electrical fields? I've never experienced my computer hovering, and it's right next to an electrical outlet.

Let's think here sometimes people!
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no, lets not think. what u think were doing. jp.
choose not to 'believe' but when we all become super pwerful, ill be sure to rub it in. again, jp.


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Quote: "choose not to 'believe'"


Believe? Belief is for religion. Which cannot be discussed here. If we're talking about science then hovering objects through concentration is not possible.


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Quote: "If we're talking about science then hovering objects through concentration is not possible."


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its alright sss..I was tired too.

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lol, whatever, miss use of words.


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It's impossible. The example of the computer is non-related as it
'just' uses a chip (nót the brain) that sends signals to a computer which can, ofcourse, receive signals. Our brains aren't and will not in the forseeable future (nice one, thanks Jeku) be able to physically 'move' objects. Nor will electricity, by the way.

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Quote: "Speak for yourself."


Are you claiming, Grandma, that you are able to hover objects through sheer concentration?


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This is the perfect thread for me to post this little story. My Father really enjoyed it and would read it to his classes. It was written in the early 1900's, but it proves a very good point about the brain in a rather humorous way. The point of the story is that the mind is the master of all matter.

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Hehe, nice story there.

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