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FPS Creator X10 / Is there such thing as a AGP DX 10 graphics card?

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TJR Games
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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 12:37
As the title says, and will x10 run on:

1gb ddr (upgrading to 1.5 soon)
256mb Graphics card
5.1ch audio card

Thx...
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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 15:07
well you have to say what the graphics card name is

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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 20:42
What's an AGP card?

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Samoz83
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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 20:53
AGP is a Accelerated Graphics Port its the old bus type that has now been replaced by PCI-E and I think there is a AGP dx10 card look on google

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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 22:36
YAY! I am getting like $100 soon and I will buy one! I already have vista, my mate will install it for me. I am getting X10 for an xmas present!!! I love x10!
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Posted: 17th Nov 2007 22:41
RIGHT HERE, noone buy, it's mine!!!
Silvester
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Posted: 21st Nov 2007 12:09
AGP?

OK, your Motherboard must be pretty old then. I suggest just getting a new Motherboard, which can support the latest Proccesors and DDR2 memory. And offcourse, PCI-Express. takes some money, but its worth it in the end.(I know it, as i did that to mine.)


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I have an AGP card that supports Dx10. I think it is a VisionTek 2650 Pro. Runs the ATI HD2600 series processor. It was the only one i found for AGP.

If i had the money, i would buy another motherboard with PCI-E and use that; but then i would have to buy new RAM, new Processor, probably Vista again. Actually, i would probably be better off buying a whole new system.
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2007 20:08
Yes, as i said. Takes some money. But its worth it in the end. As you can upgrade now. Or in 6 months when AGP cards will be considered "Stone Age Mechanics"


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Posted: 25th Nov 2007 23:51 Edited at: 26th Nov 2007 00:26
Quote: "AGP?

OK, your Motherboard must be pretty old then. I suggest just getting a new Motherboard, which can support the latest Proccesors and DDR2 memory. And offcourse, PCI-Express. takes some money, but its worth it in the end.(I know it, as i did that to mine.)"


You don't need an old motherboard for AGP. They still sell brand new ones with AGP slots. It's a choice you make. If you still have a number of non-raid hardware (like DVD-player & Harddisks) in your pc that you still want to run in the new one and you have an up to date AGP GFX card (yes, they even sell those brand new), you may not want a motherboard with PCI-E.

You can get brand new motherboards that run DDR2 memory, the latest cpu's and still have AGP and Ultra-DMA in them.

It's a bit of a trade-off, but it works well if you don't want to replace everything. Your speed loss won't even be that bad.

For what it's worth, I even heard that some people with an FX5200 managed to run DX10 on it and that one is really outdated.

Just take a card like this one..... http://www.xpertvision.com/en/products/ati_agp_X1950PRO-Super.html
In spite of being AGP, it will easily outrun what most of you have now, it beats a Nvidia 8600 and it's a matter of time for this AGP card to get an DX10 version.

I would really wait a little while longer with making the switch and see how the market develops.

If you're looking for an AGP card that can run DX10, look for the MSI RX2600PRO. It's the one of the first AGP cards that runs DX10.

No need to get a new system, just get a new AGP GFX card that is able to run DX10. Don't expect nVidia to release any of them, they stated they will not. It's usual for them to let users with yesterdays system down. Look to ATI/AMD instead.


Here are some more AGP DX10 cards and they're very fast and good:
http://www.sapphiretech.com/ne/products/products_overview.php?gpid=180&grp=2
http://www.sapphiretech.com/ne/products/products_overview.php?gpid=185&grp=2

You have to check with TGC if these work well for FPSC X10 also, it's clear that TGC has signed an alliance with nVidia (very bad choice) and X01 doesn't run so well on ATI cards, which was to be expected. TGC shouldn't bet on one horse, but give the user the choice. Who wants to have nVidia anyway after their ill treatment of the winners of the compo?

Quote: "Yes, as i said. Takes some money. But its worth it in the end. As you can upgrade now. Or in 6 months when AGP cards will be considered "Stone Age Mechanics""


Why? They'll be around for years.... you need to remember that most of the people using a computer still are using the old single core non 64 bit cpu's and not all of them are upgrading to the newest system, a lot of them they're buying the cheaper machines with.... you guessed it, AGP slots in them.

Then there's the "problem" that most people refuse to make the step to Vista and they will not do so for next year. AGP will not be outdated in 6 months, that will still take a few years. XP will not be outdated in 6 months, that will take a few more years also. DX9 will not be outdated for a number of years.... way to many DX9 customers and too few DX10 customers. It will take at least another year for that to change and perhaps even a number of more years.

Unless Microsoft released DX10 for XP, even they know that Vista is heading the same way as Windows ME, so I wouldn't be suprised to see DX10 for XP released.

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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 12:42
Uhm... Benjamin... I haven't seen any AGP card Motherboards in 3 computer shops in a circle of 50 Kilometers of my home, For a while already. They all sell PCI or PCI-E one's now...

And I never said X9 is outdated. Yet i think it is... Kindof. Well, atleast FPSC X9.
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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 14:09
but isn't pci worse than agp

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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 14:31
Quote: "but isn't pci worse than agp"
yes it is... alot worse lmao

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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 17:04
i recently got an Asrock socket 478 motherboard that has a pci-e x16 instead of agp. so upgraded my graphics card from a 7800GS to a BFG 8800GTS 640MB card. the performance change is huge.
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Posted: 1st Dec 2007 19:53
If you have the early PCI, yes. PCI-Express is better.
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Posted: 1st Dec 2007 23:44
*double post* I have 2 256mb graphics cards... 1x ATI Radeon 9550, 1x Nvidia geforce fx5500. Which one is better? (personally I think the fx5500 is better) Thx...
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Posted: 2nd Dec 2007 00:41
TJR, that computer isn't X10 compatible...


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TJR Games
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Posted: 2nd Dec 2007 02:36 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2007 02:37
Does any1 have one and can you post a pic of what it looks like inside, spacewise, so I can upgrade that pc to be my main pc... Thx.
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Posted: 3rd Dec 2007 09:17
@TJR Games.

Hey.

It's not impossible to get DX10/Vista ready cards for the AGP.
The problem only arises if you WANT GeForce.

If you wish, you can go Radeon.

Here are some AGP cards, that are DX10/Vista ready:

Sapphire - ATI Radeon HD 2600PRO, 512MB DDR2
Sapphire - ATI Radeon HD 2600XT, 256MB GDDR3

Club 3D - HD 2400PRO

GeCube Radeon GC-RX26PGA2-E3 (ATI Radeon HD 2600PRO)

MSI RX2600PRO - T2D256Z/D2 (ATI Radeon HD 2600PRO)

PowerColor HD 2400 PRO (ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO)

You might look at Sapphire radeon cards too.

Do a search on each of the cards. The cards are taken from a danish site called: www.shg.dk.

The prices range from approx: 300 DDK to 1300 DKK..
(DKK - currency - Danish kroners).
1 US dollar cost 5.20 DKK.

Anyway. Browse the net.. I'm sure, that you can find a local store for one of the above mentioned cards.

Best regards

Peter.

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TJR Games
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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 02:04
Thanks. Is there a way I can make a level and sell them over the net? I don't have a bank account... I would then be able to offord it... Thx.
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Thanks. Is there a way I can make a level and sell them over the net? I don't have a bank account... I would then be able to offord it... Thx. "


I'm not sure, what you mean... Make a level?

I would suggest, that you find a local dealer.(Especially when it comes to warranty).

According to your email, you're located in Australia, right?

I've found a couple of dealers for you in Australia.
Try these dealers below:

WA:
http://www.navada.com.au/SHOP/itemDetail.dbm?id=VGASA240P

http://www.austin.net.au/PriceGuide/tabid/53/Default.aspx?Category=GRAPHICS+CARDS&SubCategory=ATI+Radeon+-+AGP

New South Wales:

http://www.jantech.com.au/categories.asp?cID=428

The above have AGP DX10/Vista ready cards in stock.

If you need a dealer located in another region, you could try
to contact Achieva.

http://achsyd1.achieva.com.au/cgi-bin/estore/index.html

Almost all dealers in Australia gets their good from Achiva Technology Australia.

For Dealer or Tender Enquiries Contact the Achieva VIC Branch

Address: Unit 3, 585, Blackburn Road
Notting Hill VIC 3168

Telephone Number: (03) 9561 9899

Now..The rest is up to you

Best regards

Peter.

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@TJR Games: The 6200 isn't a DX10 graphics card. Anything in the 8-series (8400,8500,8600,8000) will work, but an 8800 is most strongly recommended. The 8800 GT is an excellent card, and it's got an awesome price . Probably not in your budget, but you get get an 8600 for approx $150 (USD) and they give some acceptable frame rates.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 07:23
You can get an 8600 for around 80 Euro's here, which is around 90 to 100 USD.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 10:04
Here is an x10 agp card, and it is cheap in Aussie...http://www.sapphiretech.com/us/products/products_overview.php?gpid=180&grp=2 Thx...
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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 00:02
Sadly I just spent $220 on a pentium 4 pc... Why did I? I should have just upgraded my current pc's graphics and DEFINETLY the motherboard... I also bought that and it has got 5 CAPACITORS RIPPED OFF!!! Yep, I am using it right now... It is working. I think an abit a17 is worth keeping... Thx.
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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 00:18
I am selling my old mb, cpu, ram and vga... $180 for 1gb ddr400 ram, celeron d 2.66ghz, Asrock(asus) p4i65g motherboard and my 256mb Video card. Anyone QWant it? I need this money to upgrade my vga card... Thx.

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