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Allanon Shadeslayer
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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 04:57
Who else is with me?

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 04:58
OMG, that post is full of info!!!

No, I'm not with you either.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 04:59
Why aren't you with me. It's played WAY too much and there are better games.

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It is overrated. Very much so. But it's still a fun game series.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:03 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 05:03
Very over rated to me

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it IS fun to play like at parties and such. But it doesn't change the fact that it is WAY overrated and played too much.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:08
Finally, I don't feel so alone, lol. I can see why people like it, but personally it's not my cup of tea (that'd be Earl Grey as strong as possible, like, forget steeping, just leave the bag in there until I'm done with it). I won't even try Halo 3, not because it's been hyped, but because the first two games simply didn't appeal to me in the slightest. being overhyped is just an afterthought really, although I don't really mind games being overhyped usually, unless the commercials are run to a degree where I get annoyed (like that last Mortal Kombat game, ugh!).

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:10 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 05:14
@ Allanon

"better" is highly subjective. I suggest you go meet other people and quite soon you'll realise that people have different opinions on what is "better". If you want to inform people that halo is a bad game then atleast state why from a technical standpoint.

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Quote: "although I don't really mind games being overhyped usually, unless the commercials are run to a degree where I get annoyed (like that last Mortal Kombat game, ugh!)."


Haha, im with you there (altough i have never seen any commercials for that game). That's why i have never seen any of the Lord of the Rings movies. The constant trailers and teasers on TV made me sick of the movie before i got to see it.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:16
Oh no! Man i can't believe I've bought all three of the Halo trilogy... To now find... that.... Halo is overrated?
Damn! My life is ruined.

No in fact I bought Halo because I like it. The millions of sales each copy generated isn't because you have to buy Halo, it is in fact because you want to buy Halo. Are you some sort of fool or something? Not realizing just because YOU don't like a game, that other people don't necessarily have to follow your opinion.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:51
it's cool if u like it. im just stating my opinion on it and wanted to see who else agreed.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 05:58
No, Halo is not overrated in my opinion. A game wouldn't build such a fanbase if it wasn't simply good. Billions of PR can be put in a crappy game, and it would sell, but it wouldn't be loved as much as Halo. Sure, some exaggerate. It's not the best game ever. It's just the best console FPS I've played to date.

Halo was overhyped, though, to an extent where similar quality games as Bioshock were just swamped.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 06:00
Best CONSOLE fps.

I'm completely gonna get lots of rude comments and critisism after i say this but here goes...


I LOVE id software, if it weren't for DOOM and Quake a lot of the new fps's wouldn't exist.

i personally think that DOOM 3 and Quake 4 are better games than halo.

there i said it.

say wat u want

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You're absolutely right. Without Wolfenstein 3D, DOOM and Quake, FPS would probably not exist. I think Doom 3, nor Quake 4 matches Halo in terms of immersiveness. Doom 3, actually, was quite a crappy game - it became repetive and predicatble.

However, there are enough PC shooters that can rival Halo, sure. It might be considered blasphemy, but Deus Ex is a good example of a FPS game that totally rocks Halo's socks (and green armor shoes).


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i appreciate everybodys comments and opinions.

and i want to thank you all for keeping this arguament clean.

I'm pretty much done with this arguament but it still remains open for anyone else who wants to comment and i might occassionally comment here or there.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 06:14
I enjoyed Halo 3 but there were sooo many good FPS' that came out around the same time. Orange Box, Bioshock, COD4, etc. It just became lost in the pot, really. It was a *great* game, and the graphics are very, very impressive, however.

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Halo is SO overated. All people want to play on Xbox 360s is Halo, Halo, Halo. Nothing else. An example of you being a typical Halo addict: You go over to someone's house to play Xbox all night. Your friend says, "What do you want to play?" You say, "Got Halo?". Then of course he would have it, and you would end up playing until 6:00 AM.

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Quote: "All people want to play on Xbox 360s is Halo, Halo, Halo."

How does this prove that it's overrated?

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 06:54 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 06:55
Quote: "Halo is overrated.

Who else is with me?"


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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 08:13
I agree with Benjamin.

Although if everyone you know want to play halo a lot dosent that prove its a good game? Or does it just make you angry that no one wants to play Bioshock with you, or Harry Potter? I mean how can you say something is overrated when in fact it made 450 (or something like that) million in a week?

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Halo3 is a fun FPS shooter - get that unique ingredient there? FUN!

Most FPS games are serious, and when it's like that you really need to be in a certain mood to enjoy them - Halo is different because there's a lot of fun in the game, there's nothing too scary or too difficult in Halo. Doom3 should not really be used as a comparison to any FPS, because it does things in the lamest possible way - I mean I loved Doom and Doom2 for the crazy amount of enemies there would be running around, but Doom3 killed that - instead all that does is constantly spawn monsters behind you, tedious is not the word. I don't know what it is about Halo that seems to bring out the haters, like such a big game, if you say you don't like it then you must be smarter than all those millions of peons that bought it - this very thread is a prime example of that, people seem to see the need to tell us they don't like it, hell I might start a thread later telling people that I dislike rhubarb.

People still like to play games to unwind, but most FPS games don't consider that, especially the Tom Clancy range. I think the next game to provide a really fun experience like Halo will be Bad Company, the new Battlefield game, blowing buildings to bits is something I've wanted to do in BF2 for ages, that'll put pain to the campers .

I never really got into Halo's multiplayer, except the multiplayer campaign of course, but Halo1 had really great levels, I'd rather play split screen Halo1 than Halo3 online.
CoD4 has great online multiplayer, really good pace and balance to it.


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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 09:51
Matt's opinion was based entirely on the quality of the game.

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Ehh? - Matt has never even played Halo3!, Matt's opinion was based entirely on the first 2 games on the XBox, which he may not have played either .


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Quote: "hell I might start a thread later telling people that I dislike rhubarb"


Hell yeah, you should do it.

Also I agree with what you said too.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 10:26
A game is only over-rated if it doesn't deliver what it promises on.

Gran Turismo for example is over-rated, as it claims to be a hyper-realistic driving experience when really; they seem to focus too much on the graphics and technical specs rather than the driving experience.

Fable is another over-rated game, as it claimed to be a game where your every choice changed the world you inhabited and the storyline would compensate giving a more realistic feel that your influence on the universe actually had an effect... the actual game had a choice between good missions and bad ones, and no matter what you chose you always got the same ending with a more linear game than others that didn't make so many bold claims (p.s. Knights of the Old Republic, or actually pretty much anything from Bioware)

If you like a game, and it delivers what is promised then frankly how is it over-rated? Many felt that Killzone was over-rated due to bugs, but personally I never noticed the bugs much first time as it engrossed me in a deep and gritty war story focused around the main characters and their interaction. To me that makes it quite an under-rated game as a few people claimed it was crap due to a few bugs that really appeared randomly unless you scratched your CD.

Alright so it wasn't a Halo-killer like Sony claimed, but what Guerilla themselves claimed; it did what it said on the tin.

Rather than focusing constantly on games you fell are over-hyped how about bringing to peoples attention games that frankly are completely under-rated.

I've finally got myself Sin Episodes : Emergence over the weekend (which came free with Sin 1) and frankly I found that it was subjected to obscurity behind HL2 EP1, as it give a much better game experience utilising the Source engine far more productively.

Something I liked a lot was the health system, as you had hypo-sprays for instant health boost; rechargeable wall mounted dispensers, and best of all the canisters you recharge them with could be shot to give you a gas cloud of healing which can come in useful in areas with lots of enemies where you're exposed.

The environment could be used much better against the enemies, for example there's one part underground where I was against more enemies I could survive in an all-out firefight.. so I ended up popping up from behind my cover shooting a canister that exploded taking a few out, setting a few more on fire and throwing a shelving unit against a wall before falling on another couple that were behind cover without them noticing.

The AI also is far superior to Half-Life 2, as enemies will dodge, weave, find cover, work in groups effectively to flank you.

The Adaptive AI and help, ment that if a section was too easy it would make the AI more difficult.. or if you died quickly then it would then make them slightly dumber or fewer numbers to help you through. The game by the end became challenging but not to the point of frustration as the enemies were basically catered for my own abilities. You can then view at the end the statistics of how the system has adapted for you.

The driving sections although you don't get to drive yourself are quite inventive allowing you to fight using the car itself as cover before standing up to take out some people in your way or jumping out and running behind them while they focus on Jessica in the car.

Melee is avaialble with all weaponry, not just when you have a melee weapon in your hand.

You can keep in contact with someone who'll let you know what you should be doing next with some hints, or just to give comments on things you look at.

The character interation, like if you look at Jessica too long she'll say something like "What's HARDCorps views on employee fratranisation?" or "Hey, I always thought Elexis was more your type." all with some nice body language and facial expressions.

It is by no means a perfect game, but certainly used Source far better than Half-Life 2 did; and despite being only as long as the HL2 Episodes in total, was completely enjoyable from start to end with some truely awesome level designs that while very linear feel quite open and spacious enought not to feel claustraphobically so like Half-Life 2 (except for the vehicle sections)... the story is also presented in the same mannor to Half-Life 2, but you actually have something quite rich and deep.

Some of the conversations the dock workers have are great, and some of the other dialog is also quite amusing in an off-hand way.
For example about half-way through I acidentally shot Jessica a few times in a firefight, where she screamed out... "Hey do you actually like me?!" which was funnier later during the credits when they have out-take voice and animation for characters and during that she is stood there looking pissed off saying "I said LIKE not Lick, Blade!"

The stoner conversation was funny too.
See now that is one hell of an under-rated game and I hope that Ritual do actually get back to developing the other 8 planned episodes soon. Damn shame that Mumbojumbo aquiring them mean they now work on Luxor and crap like that now.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 14:19
Quote: "Halo3 is a fun FPS shooter - get that unique ingredient there? FUN!
Most FPS games are serious..."

That's completely right. I hadn't really thought about it until you said that but Halo3 is quite a 'light' game, compared to the rather dark, heavy and scary FPSs the majority seem to be. It is a very well made great FPS game. Is it the best? Well, I personally don't think so. There are other FPS games I prefer more.
I think the game was overhyped by fans of the series who have always considered Halo to be the game which all others should be compared to. Almost as if it was the first FPS ever. I think it owes a big chunk of its success to very clever marketing by MS, for which I give them enormous credit.
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first halo was decent, everything after that was overrated and overhyped.

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I still play the original Halo (PC) ... its good fun online. I didn't buy Halo 2 PC as it's vista only and M$ wants you to pay to play online. Someone with a joypad can shoot you down faster than keyboard and mouse combo as joypad has auto aim ... makes gameplay unfair.
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@ Van B

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@ raven:
when i say overrated. i mean whenever i ask anybody what they think about halo they say "It's freakin' awesome man! it's the best game in the world!"

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 17:28 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 17:30
Quote: "A game is only over-rated if it doesn't deliver what it promises on. "


I kind of disagree; A game can be classed as overrated for that reason, but in most cases, it means it's praised a lot for no foreseeable reason, or praised so highly when it isn't that great.

Personally, I agree with Halo being overrated. They're fun games, but other games have definitely dealt with the whole killing aliens scenario before - and they've done it much, much better.


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Quote: "It's played WAY too much "

Too much? Must be a reason.. Maybe it's just a government conspiracy just to get us all to buy it.

No I'm not with you. They are practically the only games I have ever completed, and that says something.


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Quote: "and they've done it much, much better."


Aside from HL (which is more highly rated) - name them.

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Quote: "Why aren't you with me. It's played WAY too much and there are better games."


In all honesty, who are we to decide if a game sucks and is overrated? if it sells, and gets played, and people enjoy it... that makes it a... GOOD GAME!

Its like ppl that say wow is overrated and too much hype


8 million subs + $14 a month = $112,000,000 a month

meaning enough ppl enjoy it to make that much, which makes it a good game\

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Quote: "Ehh? - Matt has never even played Halo3!, Matt's opinion was based entirely on the first 2 games on the XBox, which he may not have played either"

Matt DID play the first two Halo games, actually. When the first Halo came out, my friends said "dude, this is the greatest game of all time, you absolutely must play it." I played it, back BEFORE I had developed an opinion of the XBox (in fact, I kind of thought the console was nifty at the time, although I did hate the controller). And as shocking as this might sound, I wasn't impressed in the slightest. I've been over this a few times in the past so I shouldn't need to go down the full list of why Halo completely and utterly failed at entertaining me, but yes, even a fan of FPS games like myself can dislike Halo. And when Halo 2 was released, my friends said "no dude, this game is WAY better than the first one!" So I played it, and you know what? It wasn't any better. So when people claim Halo 3 is the best in the trilogy yet, I decided I was going to do my cheek a favor and not bite the same old lure. It has nothing to do AT ALL with what console the game is on, or how hyped the game is, or what anyone else thinks of it. Yes, it was entirely based on the quality of the game... someone doesn't agree with you and has formed their own opinion, too bad .

Seriously, snapping at me is pretty silly. It's not like I said "Halo sucks and no one should play the game" (if fact I said quite the opposite), and just because I'm a fan of Sony DOES NOT mean my opinion of an XBox game is any less valid than your own. If you guys had any idea how rediculous that makes you sound, you'd probably not say stuff like that . If I'd said Halo was a great game, would either of you have commented on how invalid my opinion was then? No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't have commented at all, in fact. One of these days, someone is going to make a comment like that, and I'm going to fire back with something equally rude and insulting. Then of course I'll be the bad guy . God I love TGC.

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Matt, you're evil.


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Quote: "Seriously, snapping at me is pretty silly."


Seriously, you are *way* too sensitive. I didn't read that as a "snap" at you in any way shape or form.

We all understand you're very opinionated like many of us, but just because we disagree with you doesn't mean you have to play the victim all the time.

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Jeku, Matt, my dear friend, is being demonized, plaguerized and bitched at from every direction. How can you fail to see that?


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Ehh?

I suggested that maybe you hadn't played the first 2 games is all!


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<This thread is doomed, Jeku just got into a debate with Matt Rock (No offence to either of them)>

I would not know whether Halo is overrated, I have never played it.


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Agreed Halo is so overrated, just like the whole Xbox series

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Paramore is overrated.


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Quote: "Paramore is overrated."


Nah, least they have talent, listening to them 24/7 they never bore me and I got backstage tickets to go see them 13th Feburary 2008. Anyway I might as well just stop posting here now. Dunno why I still do, gave up coding.

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Wow, no stereotype "IM LEAVING LOLOLOL" thread then?


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(Your favorite game) is overrated.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 22:49 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 22:52
Quote: "Agreed Halo is so overrated, just like the whole Xbox series "


While I agree with your first statement, your second is totally off. I own both Xboxes, and while the first wasn't nearly as great as the 360, I have never found a thing wrong with them. Except for when I first got a Xbox 360, there weren't many games. Now that problem is solved.

So what's wrong with them? It's not like I'm addicted to the 360 and play it all day long(like some halo addicts play halo all day), but every couple of days I'll use it.

Now, back to the topic.

One thing that annoys me about Halo 3 addicts is that some people think the graphics are the best ever. Not. I've seen screens, and it's not bad, but the best ever? I'm not saying the game is bad. Not at all. It may have some great features, but I can't really say 'cause I havn't tried it. However, no game, no matter how good it is, is worth that kind of craze. VanB, sure you could tell people rhubarb pie isn't that great, but it'd be pointless, unless tons of other people are buying rhubarb pies by the dozen and saying, "This is the best food ever made!!!!". Get the point?

Sure, if you're into FPSes and want to have a relaxing game to play with your friends, I see no reason why not to get Halo. Just please don't force your(most likely exagerated) opinion of the game on us or we will have to try to show you otherwise.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2007 22:57 Edited at: 19th Nov 2007 22:58
I am not a Halo 3 addict in any way, heck, I haven't played it since I completed it twice and played some MP. Yet I still think it's the best console FPS I've played yet.

Halo's graphics suck compared to Bioshock and similar. They're good enough for me, though.

Allanon, by any chance an Eragon/Eldest reader?


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Lol, yeah. Allanon Shadeslayer.

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Quote: "just because I'm a fan of Sony DOES NOT mean my opinion of an XBox game is any less valid than your own."


That's exactly what it means.

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I think the rather passionate "DOES NOT" says otherwise.

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