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Dark GDK / DarkGDK 1.0 is available for FREE with Visual Studio 2008

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Yodaman Jer
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I'm still a noob just learning the fundamentals of DarkBASIC Classic, but I want to be able to use C++ someday, so I'm downloading this now, for future resources. After I get the hang of BASIC and can write stuff neatly and correctly in just a few minutes (such as a text-based program that uses your name and guesses your age or something), I'll start digging into C++. I'm guessing that'll be at least 6 months, though...


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Welcome - and I suspect less time than 6monthes if you give it a good go and life isn't keeping you to to busy

Use the Force!


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How can I get DarkGDK.NET? Have I to pay for download or what? Somebody says that they have downloaded it for free....Were they joking or not?

Thanks,

PS Don't confuse with the C++ version please....
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How come I can find the buy online page for DarkGDK .Net with Google?
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Just a quick question,

Has anyone found out a way to get the c++ GDK working on the gcc compiler?

I'm starting my university project and I want to make sure I pick the right engine from the start :p

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So, I assume Dark GDK.NET is almost finished now that it's almost half a year into 2008 and the original projection was January?

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Well.... the ? is WHEN they will release it... my development has stopped becuase I was waiting for it since january..... and waiting and waiting...

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Maybe tomorrow? I'm hopping this might be a good release date
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Well... C# wasn't designed to make games, DirectX is written in C++, I think I'd chalk it up to you lost 4 months waiting and should move forward man - for heavens sake - at least you'd be having more fun than waiting! Seriously...

How does that expression go... @$#$@# or get off the Pot LOL

I was hoping to see this product too, and it will be out, and it will be great... but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Posted: 2nd May 2008 21:36
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I agree with Jason and have started learning the raw DirectX stuff and XNA Game Studio while I'm waiting. Hopefully they'll have DarkGDK.NET out by September?

Question though: I assume since C# is very close to C++, I won't have too much trouble migrating my DarkGDK project to DarkGDK.NET when it finally is released?

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@Shadow - dont count on september. I hope that I can have it for christmas....but I dont know what year yet

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I myself have been taking this time to learn xaml/silverlight. I must say, I like it and it might be awhile before I migrate back to dgdk.net, since xaml is built on top of dx9.
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Argon, can you point me to any XAML tutorials perhaps? I'm curious how it works.

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Quote: "I agree with Jason and have started learning the raw DirectX stuff and XNA Game Studio while I'm waiting."


I've started reading up on DirectX also, or at least the 2D aspect of it. But mostly its to help me understand what's going on under the hood of DarkGDK. I picked up on XNA a while back but didn't know enough C# to understand the tutorials well, so I had to learn C#. Now I haven't gone back to XNA because of the need for an alpha mask which, I could probably create using DGDK. Amazing how everything is so related

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For Silverlight: http://www.SilverLight.net

For the Desktop: http://windowsclient.net

Under the "Learn" sections
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Awesome, many thanks. So is porting from DarkGDK to DarkGDK.NET fairly straightforward?

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I'd suspect NOT entirely only because I heard that TGC (ApexNow) is making a OOP wrapper fro the C# stuff like I made for the C++ stuff.

Definately doable.. just might not be a search-n-replace syntax clips sorta thing.


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That's fine. I was half expecting to have to rewrite the whole program but I guess we'll see.

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Use the Contact formfrom the home on the web page. TGC will NOT make you pay twice... you have to prove who you are thats all.


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Hi Forum!!

Ok,I can have DGDK for free and pay later for commercial license,but what about MSVs 2008 License?!
If I use VsC++ 2008 Express Edition to compile my DarkGDK applications do I need to buy a VS2008 Commercial License + DarkGDK Commercial License to sell my apps.??

THXXX..!!
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Hello, i come from spain. I discover this new free version yesterday and i downloaded all, install Visual c++ express 2008, directx 9 august 2007 and later i run once the Visual 2008,after did it i installed DarkGDK and when i open it i don´t find the "Wizard" menu in the "new proyect". Where is it?

thanks you.
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Quote: "Ok,I can have DGDK for free and pay later for commercial license,but what about MSVs 2008 License?!
If I use VsC++ 2008 Express Edition to compile my DarkGDK applications do I need to buy a VS2008 Commercial License + DarkGDK Commercial License to sell my apps.??"


I'd say yes, but I'd also check with Microsoft if the EULA that came with Visual Studio doesn't specify. I'm kind of wondering this myself with C#...

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read the eula - you're fine. You can sell stuff made with vs2008 express.


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Yep, I stated this once. If you check MS Visual <language> Express faqs, you're free to use any of them commercially, there's no limitations!
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Quote: "Hello, i come from spain. I discover this new free version yesterday and i downloaded all, install Visual c++ express 2008, directx 9 august 2007 and later i run once the Visual 2008,after did it i installed DarkGDK and when i open it i don´t find the "Wizard" menu in the "new proyect". Where is it?

thanks you. "

i install the english version of the Visual C++ 2008 express and continues equal...

SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME??
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Quote: "Yep, I stated this once. If you check MS Visual <language> Express faqs, you're free to use any of them commercially, there's no limitations!"


Awesome! That makes me happy. Do you know perchance about VS Pro that I got from the Dream Spark program Microsoft offered?

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You know when you install software, that screen where you always click "I Agree" to and never read?

Read it! LOL


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haha, touché Jason.

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Quote: "Quote: "Hello, i come from spain. I discover this new free version yesterday and i downloaded all, install Visual c++ express 2008, directx 9 august 2007 and later i run once the Visual 2008,after did it i installed DarkGDK and when i open it i don´t find the "Wizard" menu in the "new proyect". Where is it?

thanks you. "
i install the english version of the Visual C++ 2008 express and continues equal...

SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME?? "

don´t worry, a friend explained me. But it isn´t "direct" how tell in the web page. It isn´t for beginners and must be tell it in the web.
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Okay, so I can't sell my games without a commercial license. But let's say I am developing an online game. Would that also apply to selling in-game items?
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is it free to play?

thats the diffeerence I think


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I have an old EULA here, but it says:

Quote: "1.2 You are not permitted:

(f) exploit (or permit any other person to exploit) any Game in return for any benefit or consideration, whether financial or otherwise."


I think it's not only about the game being free or not, you should need a commercial license if you make any money of it.

I've seen this question asked (and answered it) a bunch of times. TGC should make a sticky post with what you can and cannot do with a Freeware license (in a clearer way, not too "Lawyer's Language" as the EULA).
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Ok. So I should get the commercial license then. Thanks.

To Jason P Sage: It is free to play. To a point. I'd clarify, but my team would hang me.
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Quote: "my team would hang me."


What a wonderful team.

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Hi
Dark Gdk can be to utilezed with Visual Basic 2008.net ?

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There (is/was) a .net version that was released in the past - now many are awaiting the release of the new one - I think the old one is not available anymore but I'm not sure. The new one is free, the old one you had to pay for... the new one like DarkGDK costs money when you want to sell or make money from your creation. That's when you buy the "commercial" license.

So DarkGDK for VB.Net? Not Yet.


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Ok tanks you.

DarkGdk only for VC++.net (and not for commercial use, must to buy for commercial use)

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You're Welcome - but to be clear: DarkGDK is for C++, DarkGDK.Net is for VB.Net - C# etc .Net lang's

And yes - free for non-commercial - pay for commercial


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Tanks for welcome and for supports,
(file installation.pdf it's very utility for beginner installer DarkGdk)
Directx on download page,it's no aviable for me, I have download to another link.
Now DarkGdk for VC++ is installed and run correctly.

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VC++/GDK Question????

I have tried to comile my first GDK project. Results=Fantastic

my question is .... before I go into C++ and get some sort of a brain cancer, Can GDK "working side by side with microsoft products" export games to XBOX.

if yes ... I would appreciate it if you point in what direction i have to go.

I am a db/dbpro customer for years. And lately GDK. To be honest, the biggest issue with db/dbpro was the export to other OSs. If you guys fix that with GDK I am very confident TGC would take the market. And again this is my opinion.
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No. You want XNA support I think - that allows you to code microsoft OS and XBOX... I think you can do that with DirectX and C# - I don't think C++ is part of that - but I don't know - If you want to make XBOX games - scope out the term "XNA PROGRAMMING" or something similiar on google or whatever.

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My friends have started working on XNA few weeks ago. Until this moment I think TGC products out run it. Maybe because I have been using 'em for awhile.

My biggest worry of all time that TGC doesn't continue supporting there products. I think they should keep it up.

XBOX is not my favorite console. No console is my favorite really. I like PC since it never runs out of date. Give XBOX few more years and they will come out with something new.

The only reason I brought this is because as we all know BDPro is much easier to use "code wise" than the DarkGDK. The only reason I would see myself chasing time to learn DarkGDK is if it brought something new to the table. Or if DBPro is no longer supproted.

I understand there is few improvements on both FPS rates and the excutable size. But thit can be fixed if the TGC would compile new DBPro using C++ instead of VB. Not mentioning that DBpro owners wouldn't mind paying a little portion of the cost to upgrade to the new improved DBpro.

Again I am trying to figure out whats the deal before it's too late and I get left behind.
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I paid good money for the enterprize edition of VS 2008. Why do I have to install the Express version to use the GDK?
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1) You can use the GDK with the upgraded versions.

2) Why did you buy it?

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I actually have the MSDN Enterprize subscription (which includes the enterprize editions of Visual Studio). I did a full install of VS.Net 2008 including VB.Net, and VC++ (even though I program in C# primarily).

I installed the Direct X SDK pointed to on the TGC web site. I then downloaded the Dark Game GDK. While installing the Dark Game GDK it told me the VC++ 2008 complier was required and could not be located. When I know *for a fact* that it was installed when I did my full installation of VS 2008...
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The GDK is working fine with VS2008

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Quote: "I paid good money for the enterprize edition of VS 2008. Why do I have to install the Express version to use the GDK?"


Very likely because Dark GDK was designed to install with the free express version. The DGDK API will work with the enterprise version but you'll have no wizard to create the projects with their associated directories, linkages and beginning framework code.

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RElax dude - it'll work - just not "easily" LOL - Lilith is right - the install was "coded" to work smooth with vs2008 as it was a bundle offering. you Might have to jump a few hoops - basically - I'd do this - (on a dud machine or whatever) Get the DarkGDK 2008 express "bundle of stuff" up and running and compiling a basic poly box cube or something. then Mimic in your pro/enterprise version the same linker file locations, compile switches etc.


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LOL

Sounds like it'll just be easier to use the Express edition for any C++ development.

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I doubt you would be using any of the features over the Express edition anyway; except Profile Guided Optimizations, maybe.

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