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Butter fingers
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 12:00
I got real sick recently, and that meant I couldn't smoke. So I took the opportunity to quit. And I feel Great! Sure I don't have something to do while I wait for things to load/render/crash but I can run down stairs for a coffee without loosing my breath.

Anyone else got a happy go lucky rainbow story?

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 12:19
Well done and all, it's good that you quit smoking, but is it REALLY necessary to post it on a forum?

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 12:20
When I quit the most startling thing I noticed was how much money I saved - good on you for quiting, there's benefits all over the place.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:18 Edited at: 7th Dec 2007 14:18
Quote: " Sure I don't have something to do while I wait for things to load/render/crash "


I usually grab my rubiks cube from the shelf and have a go. And there's always solitaire..

Congrats on the quitting though. I never understood the reasoning behind paying money to inhale cancer anyway.
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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:22
Congratulations on quiting, Butters.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:31
Bah, quitters never win! lol I tried to quit smoking once, it was seriously the worst five minutes of my life. I've cut back tremendously though since last January, a New Year's resolution that I've actually been able to stick to for once. If I try to quit, my brain will demand that I smoke a cigarette, but if I cut back, I'm tricking my addiction into thinking I'm just too busy for a cigarette, hehe. Maybe someday I'll actually quit and be done with it... but even saying that makes me need to light up .

A question for Butters, Van, and anyone else whose quit smoking: How did you do it? What method was the easiest for you? Or did you just go cold turkey?

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:36
Matt, how about this: Make a deal with yourself that for every cig you smoke, you can't work on anything MiSoft related for 30 minutes.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:40 Edited at: 7th Dec 2007 15:32
Congratulations Butter fingers Smoking is a nasty habit. Unless a really hot girl is smoking, that's okay

When I was stationed in Korea I actually tried smoking for a couple weeks. Everyone was doing it, so I wanted to find out if there was anything good about it. After about three weeks I called my experiment to an end and decided that smoking was just dumb. The long term effects are horrible, and in the short term you're smelly, have yellow teeth, make quite a mess with ash and butts, and smoke gets in your eyes when you have to keep the cigarette in your mouth to free your hands.

It's going to be tough to be around smokers though. You'll probably feel like everyone is smoking. Just make all new friends

@Matt -
Try the patch. At this point in your life your are physically as well as psychologically addicted, so it isn't going to be easy. Nicotine is a nasty substance. Physical addiction creates a real dependence that you can't function without. In effect, addiction weakens your body and your mind. The thought of being controlled by something appalls me, and addiction is control.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:54
Quote: "Make a deal with yourself that for every cig you smoke, you can't work on anything MiSoft related for 30 minutes."

Would that hurt me, or would it hurt everyone everyone else on our team?

Quote: "Try the path. At this point in your life your are physically as well as psychologically addicted, so it isn't going to be easy. Nicotine is a nasty substance. Physical addiction creates a real dependence that you can't function without. In effect, addiction weakens your body and your mind. The thought of being controlled by something appalls me, and addiction is control."

I'll have to check that out, ty Cash! So is it a book or something? I'd rather try something mental-based than a physical substance. "The Patch" doesn't seem like it should work logically, and neither does the nicotine gum... I dunno, quitting nicotine with more nicotine doesn't sound right, but I can't judge what I haven't tried. Anyway, I'll look into the Path, ty for that!

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 14:57
Matt,
I became diabetic, so smoking alongside that is about as stupid as you can possibly get. I know a few people who have found it really easy to stop smoking when there's a good enough reason, health problems, or even just being forced not to smoke for a time. After about a week your body starts to accept that it can't have nicotine and it get's a lot easier. Give it another go Matt, but give a close friend or a member of your family control over it - like promise to give them money or buy them an expensive present if you start smoking again. The easiest way is to have a good reason, with no real reason to quit in your mind you will never quit. Maybe make that pack of cigarettes your last, that way you'll mentally prepare to stop - I banned myself from buying another pack of cigarettes about 2 years ago, and haven't buckled yet.

One other way to look at it is the amount of money most people spend on ciggies, it's equivalent to a holiday, or a brand new PC every year, consider what you could be spending your money on instead if you quit.

Preaching over - I can't help it - I have a friend who refuses to stop, even though he has a young baby to support and no job, you should hear some of the tellings he gets!.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 15:03
Congrats Butters. I quit on June 30, 1996. It's one of the best things I ever did, and I know you'll feel the same way. Stick with it.

Best.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 15:35
Haha, 'the path' is my best selling smoking cessation guide.

Really though, it's tough to apply purely mental techniques because physical addiction is involved. So, it's not just something in your head, it's real. The idea with the patch is to lower your dependence on nicotine in stages. Your body adjusts to change over time. The mental part will be not smoking for habit's sake.


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Quote: "Well done and all, it's good that you quit smoking, but is it REALLY necessary to post it on a forum?"

Well, people post about having kissed their first girl or eaten their first sandwitch, so why can't I post about this?!

Matt.
I knew I could never quit on will power alone. I'm just not that strong. For me it was a culmination of things. 1st I got really sick with flu and a cough, and while I was moping around the house, I looked in the mirror and checked out my teeth, to find the backs of some of them were like brown with tar. Which is pretty foul. That made me wonder about my lungs. I mean, my teeth are enamel, they're hard-core. If this was trashing my teeth like that, it must be doing far worse to my alvioli.

Anyway, while I had this flu etc, I couldn't smoke because it just through me into fits of coughing. Having gone without cigs for 3 days, the smell of stale cigs in my room was really offensive to me. I literally had to throw out anything that smelt of smoke, and wash all my clothes. Now I'm over it, I don't know why I ever wanted to do it in the first place. It's just filthy.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 16:10
No worries Van, you don't sound preachy to be honest. I have this weird defiance mentality where whenever someone tries to force something down my throat, my kneejerk reaction is to do the exact opposite thing. IE, when someone shows me photos of a rotted lung or a cancer tumor, I usually light up a cigarette and blow it in their face to be just as annoying as they're being, lol. To be honest, you guys are being genuinely cool about it I think, definitely when compared to how a few of my friends are about quitting. They try to guilt-trip me, preaching that I'm killing everyone around me or it annoys people, but they fail to recognize that more often than not, I simply don't care what anyone else thinks. Seriously, it's one of the first times anyone has said "you can quit and here's why you should" instead of saying "you must quit and that's an order," and probably the first time it's come from someone I know and not just some random flyer from the Health Department. I think I need more of that and less of the jargon that I'm used to being force-fed.

Quote: "The idea with the patch is to lower your dependence on nicotine in stages. Your body adjusts to change over time. The mental part will be not smoking for habit's sake."

I'm not sure if that would work for me. I dunno, I was able to cut back pretty easily, from a full pack to about a half pack (or even less) each day in the past year, and I feel sort of nauseated if I end up smoking 3/4ths of a pack or more. But if I try to not smoke for a full day, I go absolutely ape-stuff (clever swear dodge of the day) and want to rip my ears off lol. So I need to figure out if cutting back was a mental control thing or a physical control thing, and work on beating the other one .

Regardless, Butters, thanks for posting this thread, I seriously think you posted it at the right time to actually help someone (me) come up with a decent new years resolution, and at a time when it's really achievable . I hope you can stick to it, and I hope that when I start trying to kick the same habit I can have the same results as some of the rest of you!

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 16:11
Congrats, but now, make your avatar quit too.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 16:13
Silent Bob can't quit, it's wrong to even suggest such a thing

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 16:43
Quote: "Would that hurt me, or would it hurt everyone everyone else on our team?"

Both, so that's a double motivation.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 17:48
I've quit smoking cigarettes. I haven't quit smoking what silent bob is smoking

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 17:50
lol you said that which I avoided saying

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 19:25
Quote: "I've quit smoking cigarettes. I haven't quit smoking what silent bob is smoking"

Haha, I love it! You know, that is not physically addictive. Psychologically perhaps, for weak minded individuals, but not physically at all. I support no cigarettes


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 19:41
Might not be addictive, but MAN is it bad for your figure

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Yes.
Anyway, well done on quitting.
You will be praised by the government for your efforts.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 20:29
According to that guy who did Supersize me (at least I think it was him) if you can be without anything for 3 days by pure will you can quit on will alone. He had quit smoking and apparently the first 3 days are the worst, then the body starts getting used to it. But it's very easy to fall back, that goes for everything; once you stop, never smoke another one again.

I like Van's idea. When I wanted to stop my sugar addiction I just didn't buy any more Coca Cola or chocolate. What you don't buy you can't eat (or smoke). It's much easier to walk past something in the store, that takes seconds, then to resist (over and over) something you've already bought.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 21:35 Edited at: 7th Dec 2007 21:35
Ah, the three day hump, nothing is much worse than the three day hump.
Unfortunately (i suppose), i still do, but i respect you for quitting Mr Butter Fingers, Congratulations.

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cold turkey, best way to do it, I did and it and feel great, the benefits are amazing.


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Posted: 7th Dec 2007 21:49
Good on you, Butters. For all you know, you couldv'e gone from this:

to this:

Although I don't see how quitting is so hard. Withdrawal symptoms are natural, but if you go cold turkey, i's not like you're brain can physically MAKE you smoke a cigarette. Right? On the other hand, I'll nearly always have a twix bar when in the kitchen. Know what I mean?

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Congrats, Butters.

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I've smoked 3 cigarettes in my life, they all tasted like crap, made my mouth fill up with flem and didn't have any stress relief effect.
They're the biggest con ever!

Quote: "Although I don't see how quitting is so hard. Withdrawal symptoms are natural, but if you go cold turkey, i's not like you're brain can physically MAKE you smoke a cigarette. Right?"

Imagine someone poking you in the face and saying "smoke a cigarette" every 3 seconds
I've never been addicted to smoking but I understand what it's like.
The way to quit is to stop being a pussy and fight it going cold turkey is stupid, you should cut down gradually. I view people who smoke as having low self-esteem and no will power, everyone I work with smokes and I have to cover for them while they do it, it pisses me off, but I take an extra relaxed lunch break to make up for it

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Quote: "going cold turkey is stupid"


Why? Fastest way to get it over with.

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Quote: "I've smoked 3 cigarettes in my life, they all tasted like crap, made my mouth fill up with flem and didn't have any stress relief effect."


First off, you don't start smoking to relieve stress, you do it cuz you get a buzz :o)

Second off, if you smoked cigarettes three times in your life properly, you probably would have gotten addicted... the buzz feels pretty good (that is, until a few weeks/months later when you don't get a buzz anymore, and you can't quit cuz you get all jumpy)

That all said, I don't plan on quitting any time soon, simply because I don't want to. Denial? Maybe, but I like smoking


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Quote: "Second off, if you smoked cigarettes three times in your life properly, you probably would have gotten addicted... the buzz feels pretty good "


People are different. I know at last one other that have tested but never understood what was so special about it. But most people seems to get addicted. Most have a more or less hard way to go. Have an friend who have tried, but never really made it. It´s a pitty, she´s an good person, and I would hate if she died of cancer or something.

Myself I don´t want to smoke, never have and never will. Don´t want to take all the negative sides, don´t like the idea of draging down smoke into me, and would hate to be addicted.

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Quote: "It´s a pitty, she´s an good person, and I would hate if she died of cancer or something."


Stop believing what the media tell you, by the time she dies of cancer (if she dies of cancer) she'll be an old lady most likely.

Quote: "Myself I don´t want to smoke, never have and never will. Don´t want to take all the negative sides, don´t like the idea of draging down smoke into me, and would hate to be addicted.
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It's cool, it's a nasty thing to start. It's wierd, it's like I wish I hadn't started, but now that I smoke, I'd just rather go along with it, it's good times :o). Maybe it's the social aspect I like (smoke breaks with people and whatnot)


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Well, cancer is not the only problem. You understand what I mean. Smoking has very nasty sides.

And, well, I have never really cared about being social in that way. When I´m social, I´m social in my way. If people don´t like to be with me becuase I don´t smoke, they can go to h**l. I am what I am, and I respect others for who they are. They only thing I demand is that they respect me for who I am to.

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In my opinion, smoking is just plain stupid and illogical. I never understood the "wanting to be cool", but I think that's just part of my personality . I say, who the heck cares if you're "cool"? Who decides what "cool" is? The idiots? Who says cool isn't being intelligent rather than acting stupid?

As mentioned, you waste tons of money on cigarettes, that could be better spent on something else. And, while I understand that there is such thing as physical withdraw, I think if someone really wants to quit, they can, because nothing and noone is making you physically move your body to smoke another cigarette. Not only does it affect you, it also affects those around you with second-hand smoke (which is undeniable, whether you believe it or not). You have a 50% chance of dying from lung cancer if you smoke throughout your life, not counting the decreased quality of life until then. I respect those who try to quit, but I respect those smart enough not to smart even more . So damaged lungs/teeth, lung cancer, bad breath, smell like smoke, wasted money, and second-hand smoke...I don't see how any kind of effect can justify these side-effects .


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Quote: "If people don´t like to be with me becuase I don´t smoke, they can go to h**l."


I've never not hung out with someone because they don't smoke. Maybe this is just an age thing

Quote: "I say, who the heck cares if you're cool? As mentioned, you waste tons of money on cigarettes, that could be better spent on something else."


Well, the only reason it's expensive is because it's heavily taxed. There was a time when people were making fun of cigarettes being expensive in movies (emphysemac cough, "Soylent Green"). So it's really a poor excuse, because it's a government manufactured lie (just like the 50 percent thing)


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Quote: "You have a 50% chance of dying from lung cancer if you smoke throughout your life"

Where the hell did you pull that figure from?

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Propaganda pamphlets?


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CONGRADULATIONS Butter Fingers.

Good for you dude, its a smart thing to do.

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Quote: "Where the hell did you pull that figure from?
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Health class from a few years ago, I've heard it mentioned two or three times since then . Even if it turns out not to be accurate, all of the other health affects are proven and exist in every habit smoker.

Quote: "Well, the only reason it's expensive is because it's heavily taxed. There was a time when people were making fun of cigarettes being expensive in movies (emphysemac cough, "Soylent Green"). So it's really a poor excuse, because it's a government manufactured lie (just like the 50 percent thing)"

It's not a poor excuse, because, regardless of why it's expensive, it is expensive.


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never start, never get addicted. I have too many odd physical things without cigs. Like if i stand still for more than about 20 seconds, i start to lean over and have to stop myslef from falling.

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To add to my rant about cigarettes, every person I've ever seen successfully quit them is glad they did and recommends others do too, so unless every one of them is wrong, why not quit? Or even better, why start? Why would people put out false information regarding health hazards of cigarettes? Why would they care if they don't harm us? What do they benefit from spending millions of dollars to feed us lies?


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Quote: "Where the hell did you pull that figure from?"


They print that fact on the cigarettes here

As an aside, have any of you seen the cigarette packages from Canada? They all have disgusting pictures on them like this, that take up 50% of the front of the package:

Link 1

and

Link 2

This non-disgusting one I find kinda clever

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Quote: "Even if it turns out not to be accurate, all of the other health affects are proven and exist in every habit smoker."


So, the one stat that you stated as fact (not as opinion) might turn out to be false, how can you honestly say that anything else you're saying is correct. Right now I'm assuming all of your knowledge comes from a xeroxed pamphlet they handed out to you in health class.

Quote: "It's not a poor excuse, because, regardless of why it's expensive, it is expensive."


Great circular logic there too.

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Quote: "? Why would people put out false information regarding health hazards of cigarettes? "


Because it's a government sponsored (read: judgment awards) million dollar business.


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Quote: "Well, the only reason it's expensive is because it's heavily taxed. There was a time when people were making fun of cigarettes being expensive in movies (emphysemac cough, "Soylent Green")"

Soylent Green Spoiler.



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Quote: "So, the one stat that you stated as fact (not as opinion) might turn out to be false, how can you honestly say that anything else you're saying is correct. Right now I'm assuming all of your knowledge comes from a xeroxed pamphlet they handed out to you in health class.
"

Jeku just pointed out that it's not false, first of all. Second, how can you be so ignorant as to deny the effects of smoking that are stated by smokers in the first place? Also, you speak like this hypothetical "pamphlet" they hand out is government propoganda. You also completely ignore my question about why anyone would spend time or money putting out false information if the product didn't harm you. Why would they care? What justifies them spending all this time and money. You prove, once again, that many smokers are blinded by ignorance and denial, even to the facts placed right in front of them.

EDIT: You posted while I was writing.
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Because fighting cigarettes is a government sponsored (read: judgment awards) million dollar business."

And why would the government waste money sponsoring this business's if it gets nothing out of it? The government actually gains from people buying cigarettes, because of the high tax.

The article that you posted is naive and uneducated, quoting false facts and is just plain ignorant.

EDIT2: I see you're having trouble making up your mind, since you've removed the link.

Quote: "Great circular logic there too."

I don't see any circular logic in that? You state that the fact that they are expensive is because of government tax, therefore that's not a good reason to quit. But, like I said, if they are expensive in the first place, why does it matter why they are expensive? The reason for them being expensive makes no difference, the simple fact is that they are.


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Quote: "And why would the government waste money sponsoring this business's if it gets nothing out of it? The government actually gains from people buying cigarettes, because of the high tax."


That's it exactly. To put this in perspective, the govt doesn't fund antismoking organizations, the organizations (the big ones) have won lawsuits against the tobacco companies. So of course they're going to try to scare the crap out of you, they want to stay in business.

http://www.libertyed.org/noforce/2007/11/still-doubt-that-anti-smokers-just.html

Quote: "You state that the fact that they are expensive is because of government tax, therefore that's not a good reason to quit. But, like I said, if they are expensive in the first place, why does it matter why they are expensive? The reason for them being expensive makes no difference, the simple fact is that they are"


I'm saying they are expensive for no good reason. Yes it makes sense to quit to save money. But to say that smoking made you broke is not true, the government made you broke You didn't quit smoking because they were bad for you, you quit smoking because the government forced you to (if it was in fact your only reason).

Quote: "Soylent Green Spoiler."


LOL, apparently you've never watched it. In one part, the lead character says "If I had the money, I'd smoke two or three of these cigarettes a day!" or something to that effect.

Quote: "You can tell yourself anything you want to make yourself feel better, but that doesn't make it true. Maybe everyone is wrong and smoking is *good* for you? Yah-- it's great for your teeth, for your energy, your breath, your skin, and your lungs. Get over yourself"


I'm not saying they're good for you. But they're not going to halve your life either. I'm convinced that simply driving around in a car is worse for your health

As for your hygiene, well, ask your smoking significant other if she minds you smoke (it's all relative)


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:29
Quote: "Right now I'm assuming all of your knowledge comes from a xeroxed pamphlet they handed out to you in health class."


You can tell yourself anything you want to make yourself feel better, but that doesn't make it true. Maybe everyone is wrong and smoking is *good* for you? Yah-- it's great for your teeth, for your energy, your breath, your skin, and your lungs. Get over yourself

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:33
Quote: "quoting false facts and is just plain ignorant."

Yes, it is.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:35
Quote: "To put this in perspective, the govt doesn't fund antismoking organizations, the organizations (the big ones) have won lawsuits against the tobacco companies."

I thought you just said this:
Quote: "Because it's a government sponsored (read: judgment awards) million dollar business."

so you're contradicting yourself . Like I said above, the article is naive, uneducated, and gives no references for it's (false) quotes and facts. It's more like a blog than an essay/article. Many smokers are just ignorant to the health risks because they don't want to face them, so they simply deny them.


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