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General Reed
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 17:43
Just under a year ago, i spent over £1000 on a new rig, to play directx10 games etc. And now it seems dated. Im only a student, so i cant really afford to buy the new amd processor etc. Is there really much point in upgrading all the time?

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Only upgrade to brand new components when there is a killer game you just have to play.

There hasn't really been one of those since HL2.

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Quote: "CPU: AMD X2 6000+ 3.0ghz GFX: NVIDIA BFG Geforce 8800GTS 640MB OC-550mhz core RAM: 2048mb"


:/ What the heck kind of game doesn't that run?


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General Reed
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 18:20 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 18:22
Quote: ":/ What the heck kind of game doesn't that run?"


It does run everything, but i have this obsesion over having the latest all the time. Its kinda weird.

Quote: "There hasn't really been one of those since HL2."


Lol, obviously youve never played crysis.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 18:21
So you answered your own question.

Only upgrade if your games don't run at smooth speeds


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 19:26
spending a grand a yr ago for a dx10 machine is a bit of a waste, sorry to break the news to you. dx10 compatibility probably wont be necessary for many months, i'd even be daring enough to say maybe over a year, game devs know that only the elite are willing to spend that much on a rig just to play their games.

the sensible option would be the build a pc that can handle todays games well, but also make upgrading to tomorrows games as cheap as possible. get the latest motherboard as that's the thing that will determine what you can upgrade. there are some motherboards that allow for both ddr2 and ddr3, so you can have ddr2 and get ddr3 later, instead of splashing out straight away on ddr3.

secondly, get an sli/xfire compatible motherboard, but dont splash out on 2 cards. get a reasonable one now, and then when the time comes get a second. i'd recommend going with ati crossfire. even though nvidia/sli is the best performance wise, ATI's crossfire allows you to have 2 different cards, so as your first one gets outdated, you aren't forced to buy a second outdated card, you get get a brand-spanking new one, and run it with the old one, hence you havent had to buy 2 brand spanking new cards as you may be tempted to with sli.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 19:52
Or, go my way and use a PC until the cooling fan dismounts from the case and flies into the memory, shorting it out and destroying it.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
General Reed
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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 20:24
Quote: "Or, go my way and use a PC until the cooling fan dismounts from the case and flies into the memory, shorting it out and destroying it."

lol

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 20:44
Oh you simply must come over. I have the latest model.



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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 21:22 Edited at: 10th Dec 2007 21:23
Quote: "Lol, obviously youve never played crysis."


You haven't either! Unless you count watching a slide show as playing a game...







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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 21:26
Quote: "You haven't either! Unless you count watching a slide show as playing a game..."


My computer runs it quite nicely ^_^ Far from a slideshow.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:04
Quote: "dx10 compatibility probably wont be necessary for many months"


His computer is dx10 compatible. He has an 8800gts, which will run just about anything.


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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:39
Quote: "My computer runs it quite nicely ^_^ Far from a slideshow."


on a low medium or very low tweaked high setting, with almost everything disabled?

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Posted: 10th Dec 2007 22:41
I run all games in 640x480. It's fine once you get used to it.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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No Osiris, with everyhing on high in XP at 1440 x 900 resolution with 4x? AA I believe.

General Reed
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Quote: "You haven't either! Unless you count watching a slide show as playing a game..."
....erm i have, ive completed it. stable 20-30fps on high settings (1280x1024)

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Osiris.... maybe your just jealous you cant run it at reasnable rates

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 01:19
Haha no, I thought it was pretty boring, the only fun I had was running around and jumping off cliffs, I thought they handled invisibility terribly, I mean running should charge your power, not drain it ten times faster. Also, when I punched something it never registered and I kept dying because punching didn't work...

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 02:09
Quote: "I mean running should charge your power, not drain it ten times faster"

That would make the game far, far too easy.

Quote: "lso, when I punched something it never registered and I kept dying because punching didn't work..."

Don't blame your lack of skill on the game.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 02:12
Quote: "Getting the "latest" rig. Is there any point."

No.

Quote: "I mean running should charge your power, not drain it ten times faster"

have you ever actually tried running???

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 05:54
But your in a suit and running should generate mechanical energy. Like an alternator in a car.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 06:07
Osiris. STFU. You're talking total nonsense. Sober up, play Crysis on a PC that does run it and get back.


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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 06:08
Theres definitely a point, a friend of mine got a really nice computer about 4 years ago, it still runs the latest games very well.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Quote: "But your in a suit and running should generate mechanical energy."

What'd be the point in putting more strain on the human body just to generate a little bit of energy?

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 10:50 Edited at: 11th Dec 2007 10:52
Isn't the suit running and you're just inside it?

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 11:59 Edited at: 11th Dec 2007 12:10
I buy cheap. If I can get 30fps in the latest game im okay with that.

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I don't have any problems playing Crysis, NFS Pro Street, Lost Planet in widescreen.

And it's pretty eco friendly at 120-150watts total. My main reason to upgrade was that my P4 was like 250-300watts

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 13:40
Really no point getting the 'latest' rig, just buy a console, PS3 or XBOX360 if you want a decent experience.

PC is my preferred platform, but in the long term console will be cheaper to buy.
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It boils down to the sort of games you like to play. These days I think most games are squarely aimed at console gamers, like Bioshock, Kane and Lynch, even Crysis IMO.

I buy mostly for the 360, because I find that the 360 versions of games are a lot more fun to play. Take Ghost Recon 2 for instance, I have that for the 360 and the PC, yet the PC version is incredibly difficult in comparison - a really pretty game on the PC but a fraction as fun as playing the 360 version.

It's a similar story with Oblivion, I got it on PC and played right through, cheated my way through of course but now that I have the 360 version as well, it's actually quite cool to play it from the console perspective. No cheating, taking my time, it's got a different feel to it even though the mechanics and visuals are practically the same.

I think buying the latest and greatest hardware for the PC is a mugs game, I tend to drag my heels when it comes to upgrades - personally I find the major benefit in having decent hardware is being able to play slightly older games in their full glory, like Black and White 2, been playing that recently with everything at max, and having it run all smooth and pretty like the creators intended is a nice change.

So if you really must play the very latest games, buy a console - but if your a hardcore gamer who is more into classic games, or the more cerebral games then a decent spec PC is the way to go. Or just have both. Frankly I play the DS more than the PC, Wii, and 360 combined - it just depends how much you can get away with spending on your gaming .


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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 22:47
Quote: "Really no point getting the 'latest' rig, just buy a console, PS3 or XBOX360 if you want a decent experience."

theres loosing their "quality" by the second

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Posted: 11th Dec 2007 23:30
Quote: "theres loosing their "quality" by the second"

So is my Pentium 1.


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Quote: "Quote: "theres loosing their "quality" by the second"
So is my Pentium 1. "

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It's still in service. I might retire it soon.


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you might be able to pawn it off at an antique shop...

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General Reed
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Posted: 12th Dec 2007 21:49
Quote: "PC version is incredibly difficult in comparison - a really pretty game on the PC but a fraction as fun as playing the 360 version."

I think you will find that its simply more realistic on the pc.

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How does it make it any more realistic? I mean using a mouse and a keyboard is not any more realistic than using a controller.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 01:31
Quote: "So is my Pentium 1."


I thought I was behind the times with my Pentium 3/930MHz purchased in 2001.

Compared to some I've saved myself about 6 expensive upgrades (but I did lash out on a a £30 nVidia GFX card 2 years ago - that made all the difference).

I have to admit the end is drawing nigh though. Perhaps I'll get rid of the Dan 486 first ...

[But I'll keep the Atari 800XL for sentimental reasons ... ]
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I thought I was behind the times with my Pentium 3/930MHz purchased in 2001."

I own 3 PC's I keep this around for DOS.


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Quote: "I keep this around for DOS"


Good point. I still use the binary editor from time to time - useful for fixing some DBP bugs manually.

Perhaps I'll keep the Dan486 just in case ...
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Quote: "Good point. I still use the binary editor from time to time - useful for fixing some DBP bugs manually."

What? I use it for playing DOOM and such sometimes I use the C++ Compiler.


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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 04:53
Quote: "theres loosing their "quality" by the second"

So does everything in the world, except wine and cheese, and you're computer isn't made of cheese

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Or is it?

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Erm, i think youll find you get a lot more precision out of a mouse, and many more controll options from a keyboard, rather than a stuffy little controller.

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Quote: "Erm, i think youll find you get a lot more precision out of a mouse, rather than a stuffy little controller."

Especially if your computer is made of cheese

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Lol, ok

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I agree with you though, games like Mafia are so much harder to control on a console. I can't imagine trying to play an RTS on a console, although saying all that you can now hook up a mouse and keyboard to consoles

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People forget that with a console controller you use analogue movement, so it balances out - I mean in a FPS game you use the extra smooth straffing to help aim. It's actually quite neat to be able to very slowly creep around a corner, something that you just can't do with a keyboard.

Personally I prefer to play FPS games on the 360, big screen, volume up high, can get comfortable on the sofa, I just get into it a lot more. Of course this might be down to me having a horrible cheap chair for my PC, if I had a comfortable seat I might play more FPS on the PC. I used to play a lot of BF2142 before my internet connection went to rat s**t. I wish they would make a version for the 360, Titan mode on XBox live would be immense.


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I think it depends what kind of games you play; things like Championship Manager or Black & White are definite PC games while GTA is a console game. I think the more strategic games are much better to play on a PC, but consoles are more relaxed and social.

Quote: "Of course this might be down to me having a horrible cheap chair for my PC"

I had a really nice chair but had to leave it behind

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Posted: 13th Dec 2007 15:55
Quote: "very slowly creep around a corner, something that you just can't do with a keyboard."


Holding shift usually does that.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Nah, there's no comparison between the left analogue on a 360 control pad and trying to press shift and use WASD at the same time - they should really make a PC controller for movement alone, like an analogue stick that you can move with just 1 finger, and some buttons you can assign for the other fingers for running and jumping. Ohh and a 3 stage switch for stand/crouch/prone. And a 1 axis lean control too. And a cup holder.


less is more, but if less is more how you keeping score?

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