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Geek Culture / Test shows that Vista is weaker than XP

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 14th Dec 2007 22:59
Quote: "I doubt Vista will be an ME. I rather think XP will be what 98 was."

I definitely think XP will be remembered as one of what I call the Big Three MS OS's. 95 introduced a simple UI that people could navigate and brought in a number of features that made the PC more user-friendly. It set the standard, so to speak. 98 was a serious workhorse in its day and witnessed a serious surge in a number of technology fields, including IT and entertainment. XP "modernized" the PC and lived through an age when security started to become a more serious issue. I think Vista will be an OS similar to ME, where it introduces new features but fails to capture a real audience, and in 2010 we'll see Windows 7 be the next 95, 98, or XP.

Quote: "Uh, if people can't navigate an OS they'll buy (or get) something else "

lol not quite what I meant. The MS OS hasn't changed much since Win 95 when you take it at face value. Your desktop still has the same orientation. The Start button hasn't moved. It just has prettier images and (with Vista) a few added features. But by 2007/ 2008, I think people should be able to navigate the Windows UI pretty well, and should be able to teach others (well, the basics anyway). And since the UI has largely remained unchanged since Win 95, I really think much of their focus could have and should have been spent on making it work with as few resources as possible. Aero is cool but to me, it isn't worth the extra horsepower. I'd rather spend that on playing (and making) games.

Quote: "If you have, my bad.. and you have my sympathies"

lol yeah, I definitely know how annoying that can be. From 95 to XP I've probably showed, I dunno, a dozen or so people how to use the computer... it always ends with my head hurting lol. I don't see why it's so hard for some people to get. You fire up the computer, the start menu navigates everything, right click to do some other stuff. For a normal user, whose primary computing functions are what, using the internet, checking email, maybe writing term papers or playing the Sims, they don't need to know much about how a computer works. So you show them how to do it, they say "okay, I get it now," and the next day you have thirty messages in your voicemail, because you mom is worried the FBI will kick her door down for visiting the White House website and discovering a 404 . Humans, lol.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 08:40 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 08:43
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Most ignorant post of the day award!

Microsoft has one of the toughest entry requirements of any other software firm, so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I hear this lame diatribe every time Microsoft releases a new OS. People were using the same lame arguments as Matt Rock when XP was released, how it's just a new skin with pretty effects, taking up too many resources, etc. etc. I distinctly remember people saying Win2k was crap compared to '98. This is a cycle, and honestly I'm looking forward to trying Vista once I get my new system next year.

People have to get used to the fact that they'll have to upgrade their systems every few years to stay ahead of the curve. If you want to stay in the stone age with your 486 DX and MS-DOS 5.0, be my guest. I'm happy playing with the current tech

Also, Microsoft have surely turned their OS' around after the pathetic mess that was ME. If, in 10 years, Vista is remembered as a bad egg (like ME), I'm sure they'll have turned it around again.

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Quote: "Aero is cool but to me, it isn't worth the extra horsepower. I'd rather spend that on playing (and making) games."


A freaking large % of Windows users use email, surf the net, and run Office. They don't program games or run the most bleeding games on the market. Our hobby here is a small niche in the overall computer sector, so Microsoft is more likely to cater to managers who have the horsepower to spare.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 08:46
Once again, I agree completely with Jeku. And once again I refrain from posting more than that.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 09:43 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 09:47
Once again, Jeku is gonna become annoying after I post this... fortunately for me... I don't care.
(Because you'll berate me and generally insult everything I say... you've done it before and I wouldn't put it past you doing it again)

Quote: "A freaking large % of Windows users use email, surf the net, and run Office. They don't program games or run the most bleeding games on the market. Our hobby here is a small niche in the overall computer sector, so Microsoft is more likely to cater to managers who have the horsepower to spare."


Lets see, you mean to say a large percentage of people are NOT "time is money" consumers, who DO prefer the minorly appeasing graphics compared to efficient and clean? That these same people LOVE the fact that Microsoft changed EVERYTHING.*1

By that I mean that a large percentage of people are so utterly focused on the graphics that the applications they are using are of no importance? Like that term paper they need to type? Or more "popularly" the video they're watching on youtube that does not in anyway relate to the "shinny new taskbar"?

You mean to say that those people would prefer to wait for their applications to load and be happy about the increased loading time because of a few features that you rarely pay attention to?


Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, Yes, a large percentage of the people who bought Vista were either retarded (Really hard to explain), or just too docile (Meaning they didn't DEMAND a computer with XP instead of Vista). *Note: I mean to indicate that a large percentage of the population ARE the above things (Don't start the Humanities debate...)

By retarded I mean buying vista for no good reason. Such an example is "It's New", or "It looks Cool", or "Everyone else has it" or even "DX10 ROX YEAHH" From what I read about DX10... it's mainly a patch that removes the preset limits due to distribution of resources... and graphics aren't everything. Or the worse one yet "People have to get used to the fact that they'll have to upgrade their systems every few years to stay ahead of the curve.".

WHY do you want to stay ahead of the curve? I'll give you that a GUI operating system is a significant advantage to the command based systems, but I will NOT give you that Windows Vista, let alone Windows XP improves productivity by a massive amount over Windows 95... You may have the current hardware issues (like flash drives) But the core of the system, the click point do, has not changed.

You may CLAIM to use each and every new feature of Vista and love it, but I ask you this: Do you use the features because they increase productivity, or do you use them because they are there?

Quote: "I hear this lame diatribe every time Microsoft releases a new OS. People were using the same lame arguments as Matt Rock when XP was released, how it's just a new skin with pretty effects, taking up too many resources, etc. etc. I distinctly remember people saying Win2k was crap compared to '98. This is a cycle, and honestly I'm looking forward to trying Vista once I get my new system next year."


A wise man once said "If something’s not broken, don't fix it". I know that you'll bash me for saying something like "Microsoft skips alpha and beta and goes straight to the public" but thats often how their software feels. Perhaps their groups are too small (and don't go telling me there are 10000 testers, because numbers lie. *2) The first few weeks are so full of patches that people question it extensively... let alone the OS' aren't exactly on par with the required hardware.

Another wise man said "The customer knows best". I know you'll also bash me for saying that Microsoft ignores it's consumer database... but I can't be blamed for saying it FEELS that way. I know that people had complained before about how slow XP operated... so the question is, why would Microsoft put out an OS that operates SLOWER than XP? *3

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That is what really turned me off, It wasn't that even after I tried turning off all the schemes the system was still slow... but the fact that Microsoft had the brilliant idea to redesign everything in a way that makes it hard to do anything technical if you're a veteran of the Windows Operating system. (I mean, even the SAVE in NOTEPAD is changed)

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Simply because you pulled 1000 blue cubes out of the hat does not mean all cubes are blue. It merely means that you're pulling from the wrong hat.

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Quote: "Perhaps we should compare and run xp on an old p4 (think 1.7ghz) with 256mb ram or 512mb, back in the day when xp was released that would have been a midrange pc, now pop in a c2d with 2gb of ram for vista and compare the two"

Those have been my specs since XP came out, and it's still faster than Vista.


Quote: "Disagreed. I think the looks and aesthetical feeling of an OS are a feature. You wouldn't work with an OS that looked like 3.11, even if it worked as fast or slightly faster than another OS."

I know a rebuttal has been said... but seriously? You ARE a programmer right? I mean, every project I've worked on started out as a mere data output, I didn't bother creating fancy smancys simply because it looked better. I just tell it what to output so I can check it.

Quote: "Really, this just re-confirms that I won't be buying Windows Vista, now or in the future. I'll just wait until they release their next OS in 2010. Now if only they could get DX10 to run on XP..."

I foresee Microsoft pressing the game market hard enough to force us to make the choice, console or Vista. And I foresee Windows 2010 being even slower than Vista. Unless Microsoft FINALLY wisens up and realizes that winning on technicalities isn't the same as winning.


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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 10:32 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 10:33
Quote: "Once again, Jeku is gonna become annoying after I post this... fortunately for me... I don't care.
(Because you'll berate me and generally insult everything I say... you've done it before and I wouldn't put it past you doing it again)"


And that is why I'm not even going to bother reading your post.


Honestly, I don't even know who you are, so I can only imagine you were one of those annoying users who changed their names every 5 minutes, causing Rich to remove that feature from the forum.

I probably forgot who you are for a reason

Chris K
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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 13:15
Quote: "why would Microsoft put out an OS that operates SLOWER than XP?"


Go and install OSX on a Machintosh II and see if it is faster or slower than OS4.0 or whatever it was...

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 15:43 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 15:47
EDIT: Whoops didn't notice this was on the second page Oh well... this is a reply to Tha_Rami's last post



Haha I love people like that man... who don't seem to understand the simplest things... OK I only work in a rubbish little corner shop but we still get some special cases in there... Like the people who get a basket and then just go and photocopy one piece of paper, put it in the basket, and then bring it up to the front till, or the people who go to one of our two tills, clear away the baskets piled on it to stop people from using that till, put all their stuff on it, and then just stand there watching me standing behind the till as if they expect me to walk over there and serve them on someone else's till when they're on their break...

I do like this story though... Not sure if it's true but it's still quite funny:



- "Ridge Hall computer assistant may I help you?"
- "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with WordPerfect."
- "What sort of trouble?"
- "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away."
- "Went away?"
- "They disappeared."
- "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"
- "Nothing."
- "Nothing?"
- "It's blank it won't accept anything when I type."
- "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?"
- "How do I tell?"
- "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"
- "What's a sea-prompt?"
- "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"
- "There isn't any cursor: I told you, it won't accept anything I type."
- "Does your monitor have a power indicator?"
- "What's a monitor?"
- "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?"
- "I don't know."
- "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?"
- ".....Yes, I think so."
- "Great! Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall"
- "......Yes, it is."
- "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"
- "No."
- "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable."
- "Okay, here it is."
- "Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer."
- "I can't reach."
- "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"
- "No."
- "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"
- "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because it's dark."
- "Dark?"
- "Yes-the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window."
- "Well, turn on the office light then."
- "I can't."
- "No? Why not?"
- "Because there's a power cut."
- "A power... A power cut? Aha! Okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in ?"
- "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet."
- "Good! Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from."
- "Really? Is it that bad?"
- "Yes, I'm afraid it is."
- "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"
- "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer."

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 16:11
Quote: "when XP was released, how it's just a new skin with pretty effects, taking up too many resources, etc. etc. I distinctly remember people saying Win2k was crap compared to '98. This is a cycle, and honestly I'm looking forward to trying Vista once I get my new system next year."


Thing is, XP actually seemed like an improvement. For instance, when I had a 600Mhz machine, I upgraded to XP. It was great, but I had little RAM, so it ran quite poorly - and I went back to 98.

But, here's the thing: I didn't want to go back to 98. XP was really fast, really stable, and with lots of new things I liked. The performance dip seemed to come with a reason, for all the cool stuff.

With Vista though, it's slightly different. It has loads of stuff, but most of it is... well, not that great. It has a performance dip (which is comparable to the 98->XP performance dip I assume) but without decent justification to exactly why.

As Corky inadvertently demonstrated, there are lots of things in it, but very little that is going to massively affect your usage of it; and lots aren't even OS related features in that list (e.g. WMP 11).

So ultimately, my opinion of Vista remains that it's nice, it has lots of new things, but the performance hit and other annoyances aren't enough to justify the quantity/usefulness of the new things (in comparison to 98->XP). + Aero is a nice 'big' feature, but ultimately it is superficial (in the same way that I didn't upgrade to XP purely for Luna)


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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 17:27
The thing I do not understand is why so meny people take this "My personal opinion about OSes" thing so personal, like an attack or something. I mean, why does almost every single thread about vista end up in an bashing discussion like this, where one side say vista is perfect and the other that vista is an peace of crap? Tha_rami thinks UAC comes from heaven, someone else think it comes from hell. They both have full right to their opinions, it´s because they are different. Sure, I have nothing agains a good discussion, just keep it at an good level with no bashing. Someone above stated that meny of the people who change to vista is "retarded". I say meny people here act like children when it comes to discussions about OSes! For god sake, grow up.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 20:32
Quote: "A freaking large % of Windows users use email, surf the net, and run Office. They don't program games or run the most bleeding games on the market. Our hobby here is a small niche in the overall computer sector, so Microsoft is more likely to cater to managers who have the horsepower to spare"

Right... which is why I posted this thread. If XP runs basic tasks like that faster than Vista can, then why should anyone who uses a PC for those purposes switch to Vista? And don't you agree that perhaps if Vista weren't such a resource hog, the objectives of catering to casual and hardcore users alike would be better achieved?

I don't get it: all I'm asking is that an operating system be designed to run on as few resources as possible, so that PC owners can make the best use of their processing power, regardless of what they're using that PC for. When XP was released it was a hog and lacked compatability with older software. Now Vista is a bigger hog and lacks more compatability. And it's not like I'm the only person who sees a troubling trend here . Seriously, if Windows 7 launches in 2010 and continues this trend, then by 2015 a company is going to come along and pick up the ball that Microsoft dropped. It's only a matter of time, and if they don't realize that, if they think we're all brainless zombies who'll keep buying trek because we don't have an option, then they're not quite as savvy as people think they are. What killed the Romans will kill Microsoft, and you can hold me to saying that, as I'm sure you will

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 20:36
Quote: "I hear this lame diatribe every time Microsoft releases a new OS"


Yea, then Microsoft monopolises the OS, forcing you to use it. Have you ever read the book 1984? Same principle.

Coincidentally no one ever complains about the newest release of Ubuntu, or other Linux Distros.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 20:47
Quote: "I don't get it: all I'm asking is that an operating system be designed to run on as few resources as possible, so that PC owners can make the best use of their processing power, regardless of what they're using that PC for. When XP was released it was a hog and lacked compatability with older software. Now Vista is a bigger hog and lacks more compatability. And it's not like I'm the only person who sees a troubling trend here . Seriously, if Windows 7 launches in 2010 and continues this trend, then by 2015 a company is going to come along and pick up the ball that Microsoft dropped. It's only a matter of time, and if they don't realize that, if they think we're all brainless zombies who'll keep buying trek because we don't have an option, then they're not quite as savvy as people think they are. What killed the Romans will kill Microsoft, and you can hold me to saying that, as I'm sure you will"

Of course it is, Matt. Every new release will use more resources. I'm going to applaud you if EE2 uses less resources than EE1. The compatibility in Vista isn't that bad if you ask me. Never had trouble, except with my 8 year old printer.


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Quote: "I say meny people here act like children when it comes to discussions about OSes! For god sake, grow up."


Heh, yeah, got my bets on who fits that criterion in this thread...


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Honestly, grow up, David.


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Cmon now, can't we all just get along and switch to ubuntu?


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Jerico2day:

I have for some time ago . However, switched is porhaps the wrong word, I have, as I´ve written meny times before, an dual boot of xp and ubuntu, and I like them both, just that I like ubuntu more because it works better for me. If someone else hates ubuntu and loves vista, I would smash their head open with an spoon! Nah, just kidding with you. I wouldn´t care that much at all about it. We are just different.

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I don't care when someone says they like an OS, I just hate it when they try to make the OS seem supreme. Except linux. It is the only OS that has it all.

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Quote: "It is the only OS that has it all."

Apart from the ability to run most of the software I use.

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Then linux might not be right for you Benjamin.

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Quote: "Apart from the ability to run most of the software I use."


Bull****.


I can run everything just fine!!

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Linux is right for you if you're either flat broke or running a server.

Quote: "It is the only OS that has it all."


You're only saying that because the distribution of Ubuntu is prepackaged with a bunch of software. Linux as an OS is missing a lot of crucial things that Windows has, especially in the large-scale networking category.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Quote: "I can run everything just fine!!"

That's because all you need to run is a web browser.

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I would have said that 1 or 2 years ago. It's not the case any more. Ubuntu comes prepackaged with a bunch of software? So what? Windows Vista does too. It comes prebundled with IE, WMP, File Explorer, UAC, various tools to change various settings. Wordpad, calc, paint, movie maker etc etc etc.

The thing with ubuntu is they don't remake the wheel, they use existing linux software and package it in. It comes with Firefox, compiz, gimp, various tools to change various settings, etc etc.

The thing ubuntu has going for it is it's far easier to install, it runs on lower end hardware, to install new applications, you click a couple buttons and it downloads those apps automatically.

For apps that aren't on the download manager, you can download it if it's linux compatible and ubuntu again installs it nearly seamlessly. It arranges your files in logical folder (home folder is /home/whatever) and places them in a logical location on the "start" menu, (sound & video, programming, accessories, office, etc).

It works fast out of the box. Installing proprietary drivers is as simple as checkmarking a box, you don't have to go find and download them. Most all printers linux supports is available as soon as you plug it in. My 7 year old scanner worked as soon as I plugged it in.

I can go on and on. I've never been more impressed in an OS, and that includes Vista which I am a particular fan of.


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^^ No, seriously. All of my games and software run pretty good. That i use.

Quote: "You're only saying that because the distribution of Ubuntu is prepackaged with a bunch of software. Linux as an OS is missing a lot of crucial things that Windows has, especially in the large-scale networking category."


#1. ^^

#2. Define "networking" I hope you don't mean a server. Because I can say that *nix just *completely* destroys Windows as a server. Windows is just a Desktop OS for those who can't:

Be bothered with running a computer
Can't run a cimputer because they refuse to learn how/aren't able to.

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The proper way to test

You will need

Sledge hammer
vista computer
xp computer

What to do

Fist plave either the vista or xp computer on the floor beside you,
pick up the sledge hammer and smash the computer acordingly.
Once you have done this to both computers see wich one works.
This will tell us wich one is the best

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 21:51 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 21:52
Okay, you people got me convinced. I'm downloading the last version of Ubuntu on this laptop right now. The old Linux distro I used was Redhat - but you people have me curious now.

Altho' n008's last post almost convinced me to cancel the download.


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Have fun with the iso!

Welcome to the wornderful world of *Nix!

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Tha, you have my word, you won't be disappointed


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Quote: "Honestly, grow up, David."


Wow, that's pretty rich from Mr. "You disagree with my opinion on an OS, so therefore it's a personal attack"

Not to mention the fact I wasn't even implying you, but you seem to be inclined to assume that I have a problem with you...


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Quote: "Because I can say that *nix just *completely* destroys Windows as a server. "


Uh, what exactly makes you say that? Because I have a feeling you just read it somewhere and now take it to heart. Linux is absolutely terrible for things such as a corporate environment, where file sharing, permission setting, printing, group policy, and the like are extremely important. Active Directory is lightyears ahead what Linux has to offer. Mind you it could probably be done with a lot of 3rd party software, but I haven't come across an open source solution.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Quote: "Coincidentally no one ever complains about the newest release of Ubuntu, or other Linux Distros."


Actually, I have many complaints about it too. For example there's a bug causing notebook computers' hard drives to grind away and self-degrade over a short period of time. It is documented and yes, many people with notebooks shied away from Ubuntu because of it. Ubuntu isn't perfect--- it just gets a LOT less press than Windows for obvious reasons.

Quote: "Seriously, if Windows 7 launches in 2010 and continues this trend, then by 2015 a company is going to come along and pick up the ball that Microsoft dropped."


And I hope another company *does* come along, as competition is never a bad thing. However we've yet to see a better OS, for most everyone who needs an OS, than Windows up to this point. OSX is the closest for everyday people (i.e. my grandparents), but what % of the market does Apple have?

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I doubt you even know what the usual filesystem is; much easier to use, and a lot safer than windows.

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Quote: "Uh, what exactly makes you say that? Because I have a feeling you just read it somewhere and now take it to heart. Linux is absolutely terrible for things such as a corporate environment, where file sharing, permission setting, printing, group policy, and the like are extremely important. Active Directory is lightyears ahead what Linux has to offer. Mind you it could probably be done with a lot of 3rd party software, but I haven't come across an open source solution."
Have you used Linux?


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Ubuntu will definitely be a contender by 2015. It's actually already so.

My uncle who can barely type made the decision to go with linux after reading Wikinomics. Then I told him about Ubuntu. He's been using it and likes it a lot. The package manager is a godsend for newbs who don't know what they need.

Just look around for software on windows... Even typing memtest86, the first result is a retail program rather than the freeware app. How's a newb supposed to find anything good in that stack? With ubuntu, all programs in the package manager are free, fairly decent, and have "review stars" for lack of a better word, next to them, based on what other people think of the apps.


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Quote: "I doubt you even know what the usual filesystem is; much easier to use, and a lot safer than windows."


Was that directed at me? I studied Linux and operating systems extensively in University, and I dual boot with it, so excuse me while I laugh

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The filesystem isn't any safer than NTSF, is it? Ext3 is ext2 only with added journaling, which NTSF already does.


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Quote: "NTSF"

NTFS.


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Woops, my bad:o) I typed too quickly without checking my post over


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I don't know how much safer NTSF is over NTFS either


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Quote: "Have you used Linux?"


Must I answer this every OS thread? Rest assured I have examined Linux more than enough to review it thoroughly. They do not have an alternative for Active Directory.

Quote: "Even typing memtest86, the first result is a retail program rather than the freeware app."


If you're referring to the link to memtest86.com, then you didn't look through it enough. They sell both the CD, and have the free edition easily locatable available for download on the site.

Quote: "I doubt you even know what the usual filesystem is; much easier to use, and a lot safer than windows."


The filesystem is safer and easier to be used? You deserve to be slapped.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Er, I guess your right. I never spent much time on the site cuz I knew it wasn't what I was looking for, I always grabbed memtest from http://www.memtest.org/


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I always use Freshmeat to find software like that, because it lists both commercial and open source software, with most recent editions.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Well, besides the basic theme, I got Ubuntu up and running. The installation was painless and extremely simple, I must admit. I liked the LiveCD allowing me to preview everything.

The installation was quite easy. Burn the .iso, create an empty partition (didn't set a filesystem, which turned out to be a good thing in the end), boot the PC with the CD, run Ubuntu through the safe mode (I have a Nvidia card and it wouldn't load outside safe mode). Doubleclick Install, select the partition without filesystem and it was converted to ext3, I recall.

Installation took 20 minutes and setting up everything was easy as one-two-three. I'm impressed by how fast everything worked. I got wireless internet, printer and stuff all running. I think I might use Ubuntu for fast things and switch to Windows in case I feel like doing DarkBASIC or Photoshop. The normal theme is a pain with all the browns, by the way.

For a free OS, I'm pretty impressed.

Oh, and David R, honestly, I said it before and will again, grow up.


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Quote: "Was that directed at me? I studied Linux and operating systems extensively in University, and I dual boot with it, so excuse me while I laugh "


No, it was directed at ionstream and i meant the SERVER was safer, because, well, there aren't very many Viruses that attack Unix systems well. There are some, but not a lot...

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rami, what do you mean? You can change the theme by going to system > preferences > appearence

Also, make sure you turn on your restricted video driver, it solves a lot of wierd graphic issues. You can get there by going to system > admin > restricted drivers manager


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Nothing compares to ext4 for space.


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Did all of that, jerico. Installed Wine, MP3 codecs, everything. Put everything on high and I like how it looks. Especially like the workspaces and stuff. Haven't switched back to Vista just yet, trying to get Photoshop and Dreamweaver to work.


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make sure you install the compiz configuration utility


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Into a few hours of Ubuntu and I must admit I'm pretty much charmed by it. I still have Windows Vista as default in GRUB, but the more I find out about Ubuntu the more I like it. Won't say I'm converted, as most of my programs still require Vista, but I just got around to installing some programs and well: wow.


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Sadly MS only seem to give a damn about pretty windows and colourful packaging nowadays.

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