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Commodore kid
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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:26
Ok im 17 and i live in the pure hell that is working class britain. I was just wondering how id go out emmigrating to the us when im a bit older what will i need to do to be in a position where i can move. Im doing a btec first diaploma in ict at stoke on trent college at the moment so how far will i also have to be in terms of qualifications to move. oh and im gay so noone suggest anyware like texas as a state i can live in please.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:29 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 23:30
I personally would live in California or New York because they are the most likely not to shoot you for not being Puritan. Though if you want it, Sans Francisco?
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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:30 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 23:32
You have to be pretty skilled qualifications-wise to enter the US if I recall correctly (like, with a masters or bachelor's degree or something equiv. last time I heard)


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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:33
Well, what makes you think the U.S. is gonna be any better than Britain?

Anyways, I have no idea what it takes to immigrate here. Now's the time though, because in a few more years it's going to be extremely difficult to immigrate, comparatively. This is because the rednecks out here all think that immigrants are stealing their jeeooobs.

And I doubt Texas is a bad place to live in even if you're gay, despite the stereotypes. If you ever want to get married, find a pro-gay state to live in.


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Quote: "You have to be pretty skilled qualifications-wise to enter the US if I recall correctly (like, with a masters or bachelor's degree or something equiv. last time I heard)"


Very doubtful. It is easier, of course, to get in on a work visa with a proper degree.


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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:35
Well im only 17 so i still live with my folks lol. and being working class im gonna have to push to be in a good enough finacial situation.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:40 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 23:41
Quote: "Very doubtful. It is easier, of course, to get in on a work visa with a proper degree.
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Just looked up. A 'professional job' requires a 'H1B' visa, and the requirements are as follows:

Quote: "The H-1B classification is for professional-level jobs that require a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a specific academic field. In addition, the employee must have the degree or the equivalence of such a degree through education and experience."


EDIT: Then again, it's later listed as only temporary... god damn confusing immigration systems :/


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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:46 Edited at: 15th Dec 2007 23:47
Consider this before coming to the U.S.: if every single person in the U.S. stopped what they were doing and wrote the U.S. government a check for $50,000 the government would still be in debt by several billion dollars. We are going to be in trouble when other countries want thier money back.
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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:49
Also consider that in America you have to pay for your own healthcare.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2007 23:50
Just come thru mexico illegally, youll get bank accounts, home loans, school loans, medical coverage, and basically criminal amnesty, all without proper id. Be sure to smuggle drugs in, get stopped, brandish a weapon, and get shot and wounded by border police, then the police who did their job will go to jail, and youll be free to go. Then after a while, if you dont like it here you can leave the same way, and no one is the wiser.

Aside from that rant, why come here? There's so many more prosperous places on earth. Not to mention once you're in (legally), good luck getting out.

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Why not try Brighton?

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 00:04
Quote: "Not to mention once you're in (legally), good luck getting out."


You make it sound like he'd be locked in here. He's free to go anytime, as long as where he wants to go will take him.

Quote: "Just come thru mexico illegally, youll get bank accounts, home loans, school loans, medical coverage, and basically criminal amnesty, all without proper id."


You can do all that as a regular U.S. citizen, so why complain about immigrants doing it? Be serious here, the best neighbors I ever had were Mexican immigrants. They're good people who are always willing to help a guy out. You need to stop reading all the news and start opening your eyes to the real world.


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Quote: "Be sure to smuggle drugs in, get stopped, brandish a weapon, and get shot and wounded by border police, then the police who did their job will go to jail, and youll be free to go. Then after a while, if you dont like it here you can leave the same way, and no one is the wiser."


Is that intentional braindead-stereotype quoting? Not to mention the likelihood you're going to incite political talk...


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 00:39
Quote: "Also consider that in America you have to pay for your own healthcare."


Yes, you *must* make sure you have health insurance. I cross the border every few weeks but I'm risking losing everything if I get hit by a car and sent to the hospital. You could end up $100k in debt.

Buy some decent health insurance, and by the sound of it you'd fit right in, somewhere like San Francisco

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 00:43 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 00:47
C= Kid,

Quote: "im gay so noone suggest anyware like texas "


i had a good friend that is gay and from texas, and she spoke very highly of the gay community where she lived (dallas). judging from all the pictures she had showed me, and the insight she offered, it was comparable to The Castro district in San Francisco (i live about 15 mins from SF, CA). point being, if you're serious about coming to the US, do a little research and maybe contact some "gay lifestyle-related" organizations, which are in abundance. she's also lived in Sacramento (CA) for a number of years now and the gay community there is very active and alive.

point being, don't rely on what you might think are potential "closed-minded" areas. with a little web-surfing, i think you'll find many, many more geographic "options" available to you than what you might currently think.

re: emmigrating. i can't offer much in the way of specifics, but 1) there are a number of professions that, apparently, the US needs more of. the one i hear most often is in the nursing field, but i'm sure there are others. i do have some insight on nurses specifically where a couple that i've know came into the U.S. under special programs devoted to nursing. once they became full-fledged nurses (RN), there were numerous oportunities among various hospitals that were offering generous incentives beyond the good wage-earning potential. ie, moving packages, "signing bonuses", help with paying off school loans, etc. so, you might do some research into professions you are interested in that might be considered "highly needed" here in the US.

2) is just a comment/observation: i've come in contact with a number of immigrants (a quite high population of immigrants here in the SF Bay Area, (among others)). none, save 1**, ever expressed any regret in making the move here or ever wanting to go back to their country of origin to live. take it for what it is; one person's observation, but the recurring chant i hear is "it's bad all over". heh.

** the one exception was an exception. he had special "circumstances" back in germany that a) caused him to leave, and b) caused him to return.

so, there's my 2 cents. good luck in whatever you do.

PS: i almost forgot during my long-winded post: the Commodore reference! i grew up on the Commodore 64. how is it that a teenager such as yourself now calls himself the Commodore Kid? inquiring minds want to know (but won't pester if you don't want to respond to it. heh).

edit: i'll add teachers to the list of "needed" professions. teachers have it a little rough here, though. they really don't get paid what they deserve, in my opinion. but, it may be a road you're interested in travelling on, so i'll mention it. maybe there's a shortage BECAUSE of the adversity teachers face here, but none-the-less....

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 00:54
Quote: "You can do all that as a regular U.S. citizen, so why complain about immigrants doing it?"

I'm not talking about Immigrants, I'm talking about illegal aliens. 30-40 million as we speak, and counting.

Quote: "You need to stop reading all the news and start opening your eyes to the real world."

HAHAHAH - you've got to be f'ing kidding me with that statement. Like all your straw-man, apologist-based statements and excuses. Broad, factless, baseless, useless drivel.

Quote: "Is that intentional braindead-stereotype quoting?"

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 00:59
What amazes me is how people from first world countries would want to immigrate to another first world country. What could be so bad about Britain that would cause you to want to *immigrate* to the US? Why not just live there for a while on a work visa?

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:03
Quote: "Like all your straw-man, apologist-based statements and excuses. Broad, factless, baseless, useless drivel."


I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take that.

Quote: "did you read the story of Ramos and Campean? Either of you? No? good, stfu until you do."


I read the entire thing before commenting.

If you want my honest opinion I felt it was extremely slanted. I went to go find more on Ramirez and couldn't find much, so I went back to work


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:29
Quote: "Why not just live there for a while on a work visa?"


that definitely seems the best move possible.

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Dude, you don't need to go to America - you just need to move to another part of the country - America isn't better off in those conditions. It may be crap where you are now but there are better places in the country - yes, house and rent prices are high and the NHS isn't in its best state and not to mention sometimes a working class job might be difficult to grasp, but you might find a change of city a bit better - heck go up the ladder in education, do your A Levels, get a degree, you'll get better job opportunities, sell yourself (in terms of have a lot to say and I don't mean the 'other' kind of sell yourself) and you'll find yourself less pessimistic.

If you don't like where you live and a good lifestyle is difficult to come by, then you're living in one of the crap places - save up and move to another part of the country instead of over spending and going to USA to find yourself in the same or worse situation - it would be a drag.

UK and the USA aren't really all that different, at least we have less gun crime and free healthcare and not to mention you won't have to get a Visa or pay for a flight.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:44 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 01:45
@CattleRustler -
Someone seems angry and bitter about Mexicans

I don't see Mexico as the problem at all. Rather it is America's jacked up economy. Yes, it's prosperous, but it's always depended on cheap labor, from the very beginning. We exploit every country that we can to save a buck, and we allow such exploitation to continue.

In any event, don't blame Mexico. If I were Mexican and I were poor I'd come to America too. Why not, if opportunity were so close?

@Commodore kid -
This might be one of those 'The grass is greener on the other side' things. You'll end up spending a lot of money to come over here, you should only do so if you can get a better job here than in Britain. There is no rigid class system in America, but the end result is about the same - unless you have some way to get ahead you're pretty much stuck where you are.

Healthcare is a serious issue. I myself have never had to worry about healthcare, I'm 1001% taken care of by the military and always will be, but I'm the exception. Health insurance is not a solution either, because health insurance is a business. They hire nurses whose only job in the world is to deny you care. Those nurses get paid more than nurses who actually work in medicine, and they get bonuses for denying health care. My sister in law used to do this, but it made her feel like a terrible human being.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:47
US = The worst place you could move into.

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"Don't move to the US cuz you might get shot."

I should put that on a shirt.

There are safe places in the U.S. you know I don't even lock my car doors. I used to keep my house unlocked, but someone stole my game boy


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Quote: "There are safe places in the U.S. you know I don't even lock my car doors. I used to keep my house unlocked, but someone stole my game boy"


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I'd be sorta glad if they stole my crappy ass car, I'd get a nice insurance claim No one would want my car anyways.

My house I kept unlocked cuz I kept locking myself out. My landlord started hating me

And as I said, crime where I live is extremely low.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:57
Oh ye, I don't do it, cuz it's dangerous, but I see it all the time, people leave their cars running when they run in/out of the grocery all the time. If someone wanted to jack cars, I'm sure they'd just stop at the grocery store and wait around for 5 minutes


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Quote: "US = The worst place you could move into."

That's the least true thing I've seen in a long time. The US is a great place. No place is without its negatives.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 02:01
Quote: "US = The worst place you could move into."


I'd imagine Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran would be worse places to move to for an English citizen

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Quote: "I'd imagine Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran would be worse places to move to for an English citizen "


I'd imagine that there's plenty of Afghans, Iraqis and Iranians who wouldn't mind taking off too!


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We could trade for a while and you could see what it's like. You live here in the US, realizing that it's no better (and might be worse) than the UK, with our overweight citizens and health insurance pandemic and prescription drug ads running 24/7 when NONE of them are needed by anyone, and our bad television shows, and our worse music, and the administration, and our outrageous SUV's clogging the highways... and I'll move to Britain for a month and watch a couple of Arsenal matches. If we get a move on right now I might be just in time to see Arsenal play Chelsea, so come on then, pack and get out of my new room

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Well if you do want to come into the US you should try Minnesota, it's nice here, not to many taxes, nice places to work. And also we have very nice places to get started. Unless you really don't like the cold, because on average during the winter months Minnesota is colder than Siberia. Also we have to shore front than all of the east and west coast combined!

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Don't move here (North Dakota), it's colder than Minnesota and Siberia combined, it's all flat and boring (unless you get to far western ND), and there's nothing to do


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The US is the worst place to move to? It's like almost all of the 3rd world nations vanished with the creation of that post...

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Unless you're a woman, Iran isn't such a bad place to live actually. If you compare it with some of the less "fortunate" African countries like Ethiopia, Congo or Sierra Leone. Though as a white person living there, you might raise a couple of eyebrows. Especially if you dress like a chav.

Moving away into another country, away from family and friends is a big decision. Things might not be as easy as you hope. There will be many challenges and facing them alone can be too though for some.

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Quote: "US = The worst place you could move into."


Yeah i kinda overlooked that one
Tough still if i would want to move somewhere id look somewhere else still. I dont kinda like how they run their business on US.

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And no offense Osiris, but Minnesota has the worst roads of any state in the continental US, that I've seen anyway . My favorite t-shirt, stained while trying to drink coca cola while driving through Minnesota, really doesn't like it there .

You could move to where I live in New York. Taxes are high, traffic is horrible, and you can't take the bus because they smell like, well, homeless people. But you're only a hop skip and a jump from New York City, and if you have any interest whatsoever in US history, *everything* is in driving range... Philly, Washington DC, Baltimore, Boston, etc. And you don't know how to drive a car until you've dodged traffic loaded with people from New Jersey . It's like a roller coaster, but you have even less control.

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Quote: "Consider this before coming to the U.S.: if every single person in the U.S. stopped what they were doing and wrote the U.S. government a check for $50,000 the government would still be in debt by several billion dollars. We are going to be in trouble when other countries want thier money back."

Also consider that every other country owes other countries (including the US). And to make a statement like that shows that you don't understand economics, because our national debt is not something that citizens need to worry about .

Quote: "We exploit every country that we can to save a buck, and we allow such exploitation to continue."

What's wrong with exploiting? It's not our problem that other countries don't have minimum wage, it's theres, so why not use it to our advantage? We are providing jobs to people, even if it is at a small wage.

Quote: "US = The worst place you could move into.

Seriously why US?
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Huh? You don't give any support or evidence for that statement. The US is one of the world's (if not the world's) freest country where opportunities are provided to those smart enough to take them and willing enough to try them. Don't base your opinions off of the biased, negative, anti-American news you see.

Quote: ""Don't move to the US cuz you might get shot.""

That's a bad misconception about the US is that it's unsafe. It all depends on how stupid you are and where you live. Most of the US is quite safe. Much of the crime is gang related or drug related, and if you're stupid enough to get involved in that, you deserve to get shot anyways . Suburbs around most of the major cities are very safe. I've never been a victim of a crime or even known someone who has been (other than one or two store robberies) and I've lived here my entire life. Like I said, it all depends on where you live and if you're stupid enough to put yourself in a situation where you could be a victim. Crimes are very rarely just random, anywhere, not just in the US.

Anyway, not saying that UK is any worse than the US, but I felt the need to defend some of the unfounded statements that have been put out there. Many of the opportunities in the US start in education, so since you would be coming after that, you'd need a degree to get anywhere good, it's rare that you can get a good, well-paying job without one.


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Quote: "And to make a statement like that shows that you don't understand economics, because our national debt is not something that citizens need to worry about "

I might be wrong about some of this, but... what about tax increases? Even commercial and industrial taxes effect the citizens... prices for products skyrocket and people get laid off. And the value of our dollar continues to drop (isn't the value of the USD lower than Canada's now?), having a substantial impact on our prices here as well. As a result of our weakened economy, particularly the dramatic rate at which they (the people "in charge") turned our surplus into a deficit, more houses are being foreclosed on in the US right now than in any other period in US history, shy of the Depression that is. It's depleting our economic classes pretty drastically, isn't it? I dunno, I might be wrong about all of that, but I'm pretty sure the national debt does have direct effects on citizens, particularly those under the $50,000 to $60,000 yearly wage bracket... most of the citizens of the United States, really.

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Quote: "The US is one of the world's (if not the world's) freest country"


What?

The Americans don't even have habeas corpus(!). Your house can be searched by police without warrant, you can be arrested for no reason, literally. Just because of the suspicion that you 'might' be a terrorist. And you are loosing your second amendement as we speak as more and more anti-gun laws are passed. And don't get me started on the wiretapping...

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 02:50 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 02:52
As far as crime/murders go, I did some research awhile back and in proportion to our populations the US is safer than the UK as far as murders go. It was an argument about guns causing more murders. In proportion to populations UK had more murders than the US however more of the murders in the US involved guns than the UK. But still the US came out as a safer place. I don't remember where I got the crime / population statistics or what they are/were though so I can't back that up at the moment, but it was interesting as everyone was convinced otherwise.

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The Americans don't even have habeas corpus(!). Your house can be searched by police without warrant, you can be arrested for no reason, literally. Just because of the suspicion that you 'might' be a terrorist. And you are loosing your second amendement as we speak as more and more anti-gun laws are passed. And don't get me started on the wiretapping...

The USA isn't what it once was.
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Quote: "The USA isn't what it once was."


So true

But perhaps we should shy away from this topic, as we've entered Lock City. We should spin it around back to "You should live in *whatever silly name'd town in Britain because x*!"


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 02:52 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 02:58
Quote: "The Americans don't even have habeas corpus(!). Your house can be searched by police without warrant, you can be arrested for no reason, literally. Just because of the suspicion that you 'might' be a terrorist. And you are loosing your second amendement as we speak as more and more anti-gun laws are passed. And don't get me started on the wiretapping..."

Huh? Police have to have a warrant to search your house and probable cause or a warrant to search your car. You can't be arrested for no reason? Even if we did lose that right, my stance is, why do you care if there's nothing to hide? I would be more than willing to sacrifice rights that in no way would affect me as a law-abiding citizen in order to prevent or catch criminals and terrorists.

Quote: "I might be wrong about some of this, but... what about tax increases? Even commercial and industrial taxes effect the citizens... prices for products skyrocket and people get laid off."

Economics is all a cycle, as it has been for the past hundreds of years . There's inflation, so the government raises taxes and interest rates, and sells securities, causing a recession where the government will decrease taxes and interest rates, and buy securities. It's all a cycle that we'll pull out of and will continue on . Besides, I think we have so many safety measures in place after the Great Depression that we don't need to worry about anything really major.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 02:58 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 02:59
Quote: "Huh? Police have to have a warrant to search your house and probable cause or a warrant to search your car. You can't be arrested for no reason? Even if we did lose that right, my stance is, why do you care if there's nothing to hide? I would be more than willing to sacrifice rights that in no way would affect me as a law-abiding citizen in order to prevent or catch criminals and terrorists."


Ugh..
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin

It's easy to say that you have nothing to hide. Until you want to read up on something the govt doesnt like and you get a knock on your door from the CIA like my 17yo (at the time) brother, who the cia questioned <strike>illegally</strike> without a warrant or offering a lawyer when my mother was not home. Luckily nothing came of it.

It's easy to say that you have nothing to hide until you are being considered a terrorist because you don't follow societal norms (like going to church or having babies) (hypothetical).

Don't be a tool.


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Quote: "And no offense Osiris, but Minnesota has the worst roads of any state in the continental US, that I've seen anyway . My favorite t-shirt, stained while trying to drink coca cola while driving through Minnesota, really doesn't like it there ."


Haha true, but can you blame us, it's too cold to fix them right. The roads all just break from the dang cold.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 03:03 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 03:10
What's with all the over exaggerated stupidity on here.

If the US was the worst sh*test place to live in, it would not be the No.1 badass country in every other continent on earth. And it would not be every immigrant's dream to "move to the US and strike it rich like in the movies".

As Jeku said, every country has crap in it. It's real easy to pile up and rage against the most influential country on the globe.

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Yeah, politics are really dumb...

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 03:06
Quote: ""He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin
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New favorite quote!

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Quote: "Also consider that every other country owes other countries (including the US). And to make a statement like that shows that you don't understand economics, because our national debt is not something that citizens need to worry about ."


It's something you need to worry about if the government decides to use your cash savings to help pay back the dept.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 03:10 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 03:16
Quote: "Huh? Police have to have a warrant to search your house and probable cause or a warrant to search your car."


What i meant was police can get those warrants now (thanks to the patriot act) WITHOUT the "probable cause".

Quote: "I would be more than willing to sacrifice rights that in no way would affect me as a law-abiding citizen in order to prevent or catch criminals and terrorists."


I would too, but only up to a certain point. And that's definitely long before we reach the Habeas Corpus part.

Edit:
Quote: ""He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin"


...."and shall loose both", isn't that the full quote? Me thinks so.

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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 03:12 Edited at: 16th Dec 2007 03:15
Quote: "It's something you need to worry about if the government decides to use your cash savings to help pay back the dept."

But like I said, there's so many safety measures in place that it won't happen. The government wouldn't be stupid enough to do something that would affect so many people in such a bad way.

Quote: "What's with all the over exaggerated stupidity on here.

If the US was the world sh*test place, it would not be the No.1 badass country in every other continent on earth. And it would not be every immigrant's dream to "move to the US and strike it rich like in the movies".

As Jeku said, every country has crap in it. It's real easy to pile up and rage against the most influential country on the globe."

Wait...A non-American defending America? The apocalypse approaches!

EDIT: I disagree with Ben (Franklin, not Benjamin)


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