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Actually, they're obligatory for schools to have. Maybe not where you live, but they sure are here. I've actually been writing along the student handbook for 2008, in which the school and the students agreed on looser computer rules. I pointed out some flaws in the security in return. That's how it should be - not some absurd limitations on normal websites and forums.


Yes, they are. As is yours - the same shortsightedness seen in most adults who think they know better. Even funnier is that you seem to think emotions are not to be involved in forums. How odd. Should we ban "lol", too?

I'll tell you, the younger generation usually knows more about technology than adults. The younger generation is up to date. The older is old-fashioned, conservative. It's a cycle, and you're on the 'losing' side. Adults tend to think they're the future, that they shape it. They don't. All they are going to do is complete their cycle of setting limits, limits for the young to test and challenge to form their own ideas of responsibility.

School is supposed to adjust you to what fact? You learn through experience. Not through "this website is blocked". The youth is special because they are the ones to think outside the lines.


You seem to not have even read my posts. I've already explained twice why it isn't unfair. On a side note: we don't have scholarships. We're not allowed to go to the school gym. We don't need to study. The computer room is the study room. That's how it is.


That doesn't explain their total lack of understanding and equality. A shame they use their knowledge only from their own point of view.


I won't ever regret what I've been, simply because it made me what I am now. I can assure you that nearly none of my former class will ever regret their mischiefs and security disabling. They've become a highly respectable group of adolescents and for the future, they know better than you. You're becoming outdated. We will become the same way, eventually, but I sure will avoid that if I can.


'Us'? Who is this 'us' you're talking about? How mature to talk about yourself in plural. Why would I want respect from someone who doesn't even have the intellect to put themselves in the shoes of the future generations, even though those people are exactly the people that are expected to be smarter?

If I want respect, I want it from people that I feel are respectable. Luckily that a lot of people do understand that youth is a different stage of life. You don't appear to be one of them. Give your respect to your peers and go sigh about respectless youth. I got mine and will keep earning mine - don't worry about that.

People are expecting people to mature up far too early. Imposing limits that make no sense. Why do you think there are actually clinics that allow mature people to act young - because you folks expect the youngsters to act fully responsible at age 14. Grow up yourself. Your perfect little illusion doesn't exist. Wake up. You don't think like youngsters do.


I have a job at a retailer. I don't play Starcraft there. I actually sell it, though.

Another very mature action, jumping to conclusions - I did break limits at school, and it thought me my boundaries through experience. I have adjusted through learning. I'm currently a 'teacher' on my former school - and yes, I allow my students to use the PC's for recreational goals during class as long as their work is good. The students like me, their grades are better and they pay more attention. I'm a proud part of the modernisation of life. Know why? Because I didn't take the limits for the limit. Besides the law, the limit is where the limits start to make sense to the people subject to them.

Not when they do to the uninformed horde of people imposing them on a group far more informed about the subject.

On a side note: I'm quickly losing the motivation to do this. Unfortunately, this thread is starting to fill up with the same short-sighted egocentric views that many adults display. I'm glad I'm young enough to still think broadly and understand the differences in thinking caused by age.

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If it's RM you can probably just take the network cable out the back while it's booting to defeat the block

Or drop in a Linux OS on CD or USB stick and reboot

thanks GatorHex

Rami, I'm going to say something that might just be a slap in the face to you.

Judging by your ICQ profile, I'm one year younger than you. Less than a year ago, on August 27, 2007, I was legally one of you "youngsters". You accuse me of jumping to conclusions? How about you, thinking I'm some old man who has forgotten what it's like to be a child.

Don't think I've forgotten what's it's like to act like a child. Earlier in this very thread I state that I used my school computers for recreational purposes too. In fact, I set them up so we could have class wide sessions. Do I regret it? Yes. I could have spent more time earning some more scholarships for college, or I could have gotten a lower level work study at my school for some extra cash. What I'm wishing is that I grew up a little earlier, to avoid a nice smack that real life can give you otherwise.

Well, you might try to go to one of those "I missed my childhood"-clinic, in that case.


Your fault. It's your responsibility. You've learned now, haven't you? See. Breaking the limits shows you your limits. You've just proven my point.

Point of being young?

Preston C has replied with pretty much everything I was going to say. Nicely put too.
You are at school to learn. Simple as that. Not just fact based knowledge but how to communicate, socialise and empathise. If you get to have a laugh, then that's great, as long as its not at the expense of others trying to learn. When you are young, you think the world revolves around you and that it owes you something. You seem to be still in that stage, tha_rami. When you mature you realise that taking resources away from others who need them more is a bad thing. Breaking things so others cannot use them is a bad thing. Put yourself into other peoples shoes and see how your actions are affecting them. I find it hard to understand why someone of your age has not yet realised this, especially as my daughter learned this at about the age of 3. Perhaps when you get fired repeatedly from employment for not abiding by their rules it will dawn on you. Using an excuse like 'I am young, you are old, I am the future so get used to it' just won't cut it in the real world and people will see you as an obnoxious fool. Sorry, but I have seen it happen.
Well crikey, isn't your school lucky then. The reason the teachers have limited knowledge is because the schools cannot afford to pay staff who are experts - they usually have to employ teachers who can cover several subjects ('jack of all trades, master of none'). Those with real expertise can earn a lot more doing it for themselves rather than teaching it, so that's what they do. If teaching is to improve, the schools need the money to pay commercial rates to get the best staff.
Haaa! I develop software for a living. Try programming without abiding by rules and see how far you get.
I have heard this quoted by so many awful 'managers' I can't help but laugh now when I hear it. The only people who say this are the ones who actually think their 'fortune cookie' advice demands respect. My own philosophy is 'Everyone should be shown respect until they prove they don't deserve it'. It works much better. If you show a stranger respect, the worst that can happen is that he doesn't deserve it. If you show a stranger no respect, he could turn round and punch you in the throat. I know which I would prefer

A completely agree. The problem with society today is that there is so little respect.

Well, then I'll have to disagree with you there too. I think he made some pretty absurd comments, seeing how he is so sorry about 'his irresponsible deeds' and how he 'learned so much through his errors'. He pretty much repeated what I said but denies it in the same post.


I've never done anything at the expense of others. That's harmful, if you ask me. Gaming or visiting forums when noone else is in need of a PC for work, on the other hand, isn't. And that's why those sites shouldn't be locked.


That's just plain weird of you. I think I've explained more than often that I've passed that stage but can still understand and communicate in a respectful and understanding way with those that haven't. A trait I'm proud of, that is. The only thing the world revolves around is the sun. What nonsense.


Weird eh, how people that are correct always end up being considered obnoxious fools? It's not an excuse. It's like that, and people know it when they're told the truth. I'd prefer using it as "They are young, they are old". I'm in between.


I guess I never realized how happy I am to have grown up in the Netherlands. There's always some teachers that actually know their stuff. As far as I'm concerned, close down schools that are not completely necessary and use government subsidies to support those that remain.


You know, actually I'm turning around on myself on that one. I live by that same philosophy, but its just that I consider 'not losing it' the same as 'earning it'. There's too little respect. But that's a mutual problem.

I don't believe computers should be in schools.

Schools each spend tens of thousands on this technology and what do they use it for? To write reports using wikipedia as a source and play games.

Computers should be contained to computer classes, and to typing.

The internet should not be accessible except during class and turned on by the instructor for specific purposes. Otherwise it's completely unnecessary.

After school stuff? That's cool, I'm all for that, in which case I think kids would respect it more since it isn't taken for granted, and there's no reason for rascals to hang around if they don't want to.

Yeah, Jerico. Computer interaction is something we definitely shouldn't promote or teach.

There's no larger source of information than the internet. And you know games are pretty educational too? I learned more from most games than from most teachers, I think.

Do I detect some sarcasm?

Kids learn computers on their own. Are you telling me your good at computers because of the ones at school you use in between lessons and at lunch, or because you have one at home?

Seriously, I learned jack on computers at school, it was all done after school, at a (single!) public computer in a public building in town, and finally on our home computer when it was purchased.

Looking back, the only real thing I learned at school was typing and MS Office (if you call that learning something useful).

It would have been far more useful if our school had half the computers they did, and invested the rest of the money in a proper computer teacher.

I admit on making some absurd comments, specifically the one based on "us losing respect". I am not an "us", and frankly any respect I might have lost for you would probably come back after a good nights sleep. But where exactly did I agree with you?

Yes, I admitted that I toyed with my schools security. I also gave a warning in the same post. Where else do I repeat what you say? You have been going on about the youth finding limits by breaking them. Yes, I broke some limits, but I did so knowing well ahead of time what I would be turning down by doing so. I did not find my limits by breaking previous ones.



Agreed. Thinking you and your generation are the basis of the future is a notion outdated by the fact that a new generation will be the basis of your future soon after. It just doesn't work.



While we might be on opposites sides of one argument, I'm glad we can at least agree on this.



I also completely agree on this. The district I went to wasted its money on several things that did not need to be purchased. Brand new computers, yearly, with at least two per classroom, marble flooring, etc. I would have highly preferred instructors who knew how to teach than a brand new HP Laptop bolted to a desk.

But with the No Child Left Behind act in place, forcing teachers to teach simply based on standardized tests, I guess that preference would have been a moot point.

Thank goodness for college

That's mutual. You've earned yourself my respect only in keeping this argument on the right track. Point I'll have to make, though, (nothing personal!) is that I assumed you agreed with me since I was under the assumption you were not a fool at school:


In that case, I don't get your example or reference to your own story. You're just being stupid, there. If you know you're going to end up harming your own grades in the way you just described, and you still waste time, you're insane. No one does something that's bad for him/herself. You did learn. You just don't admit it.


Which doesn't make it less true. Each generation is deciding for the future. The future is decided upon when a generation hits youth, when people are formed.


Of course we can. That's just an obvious thing. Respect for your fellow human is a basic trait which is lacking in too many people nowadays.

It becomes unreasonable when blocking websites becomes the primary concern of the IT office. In my uni, the IT people are working very hard to block sites at IP and even packet level - even legit ones like gamedev.net just because it has the word "game" in the domain name. They go through so much trouble and even use commercial software to do this, while more important concerns such as near-impossible WiFi access and busted ethernet ports go unresolved.

It's even more absurd when the College of Computer Science has the least reliable internet access in the entire campus. Even our professors are complaining (behind the IT office's back) that their legit academic e-mails are being filtered by the system.

Sorry man, but if your just on this forum to moan please stop posting them 'cos it's starting to get annoying now!
To be honest with you i don't care

What?

Stop posting rubbish that i don't care about

Then go the the MySpace forums.

Stuff off Keo C

Locked because it's been turned into a thread with nothing but arguments.

@Snotgobbler - Cool off or be prepared to get slapped.