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Wraith Staff
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Posted: 25th Apr 2008 02:42 Edited at: 19th May 2008 04:59
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---Major Edit---

I'm going to take down the texture, sense that seems to be the root of the problem and urge anyone who downloaded it already not to use it (Though I am not a liar and am completely within my full legal rights!) I just don't want any more "drama"!


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Posted: 25th Apr 2008 02:43 Edited at: 25th Apr 2008 02:44
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And the screenie


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Very nice, i will defiantly use this!

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Thanks for the texture. Now with good products like Signs4 and Firma. We can make our own segments. It's just the textures I've never been able to do. I will take a look at your site.
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Posted: 25th Apr 2008 02:53
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Thanks


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Wow! That's great! Thanks.

FlashPack!
Buy it NOW!
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=122152&b=24
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Grade "A" talent. Keep up the beautiful work. -MM
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Thanks guys, it really means a lot to me to here your complements.


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I love the leaky, grunge feeling you give to your textures.
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Well, I still haven't had any takers... Though this FREE texture did come in second in the BeFun Horror Comp. and the others I made are MUCH better.... Well anyway...


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Erm... Wraith, this was generated in filterforge, i recognise it. In fact, i have it my self. I'd show you, but my trial expired, so here is web address http://www.filterforge.com/filters/1375.html

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Quote: "Erm... Wraith, this was generated in filterforge, i recognise it. In fact, i have it my self. I'd show you, but my trial expired, so here is web address "

Yeah...i also noticed it.

You maybe did some overlay effects in photoshop...but most of it is filterforge.

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I dont think any other effects were used, that can be done in filter forge. You just need to change the colours and effect strength etc...

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Ah okey than it was filterforge all the way.

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Quote: "Erm... Wraith, this was generated in filterforge, i recognise it. In fact, i have it my self. I'd show you, but my trial expired, so here is web address"
What a disappointment Wraith:/
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Dudes... what the heck!?! I used Photoshop CS1! I don't even know what "Filterforge" is... Yes... I did augment some textures (From many differant sites) and did it in such a drastic way as not to infringe on any copyrights (The three times rule) I SWEAR ON A STACK OF BIBLES... And I feel repulsed that you could even think that these arn't my own textures!!!

First what I did was I took an blank page, placed the first texture, stiled it and repeated the pressess at least 10 times for each and blended (Using the hard, or soft blend in the layers option, depending on the texture) And when I was done, NONE of the textures looked REMOTELY like the origional stock!

At the VERY MOST, I used an artest's technique know as "hitchhiking" (I and most of my staff, heve gone through art school {Art Instatute of Cincinnati, Butler Tech graphic design program and for me personally: The Fitton Center For Creative Arts} For at least 2 years each) So I really don't like you guys saying that I'm using programs that I am not!

These textures took at a minumum 3 hours (Being The free one for the BeFun Scifi Horror Comp.) and a maximum of what equals out to be about three days straight (As well as alot of professional training!)

I made these textures so that I could help out fellow game designers (And make a little money doing it... But anyway)

Please enjoy my textures, but don't slander my good name and reputation. Thanks - Wraith


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You are a bad liar. I can make textures of this quality in minutes. Without Photoshop. And there is no way that you can make an identical texture like that without even knowing what FilterForge is.

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It is filter forge wether you like it or not.
Maybe you didnt used it...but than you downloaded a texture that was made with filterforge by someone else.

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I JUST Googled Filter Forge and holy crap I wish I had that tool earlier... But NONE of my textures have been "Filter Forged" or even mad using textures that have been "Filter Forged"
Quote: "You are a bad liar. I can make textures of this quality in minutes. Without Photoshop. And there is no way that you can make an identical texture like that without even knowing what FilterForge is.
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And NO ONE calles me a liar! EVER!!! I used to visit this forumat least 10 times a day, every day... But now I feel unwanted and beaten down... And with my last shread of integeraty I will now end my last post, ever... MODS, PLEASE LOCK! Good bye, everyone!


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I just did. Anyways, if you didn't make this in Filter Forge, you would get proof of it instead of whining about it and trying to cover up what you have done by leaving. I would bet all my money that if you do leave you will make a new account so you don't have a bad rep. from this.

Why would you just Google Filter Forge if there is a direct link to it when you were first accused? I don't know, you just do a bad job of trying to get away with it.

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Oh dear.

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Posted: 19th May 2008 01:23 Edited at: 19th May 2008 01:24
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Haha, let me finish that for you.





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Posted: 19th May 2008 01:39 Edited at: 19th May 2008 01:46
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Edit: Dang you posted a bit before :/
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Yes Wolfman, I think Nicky Dude and I proved that. I think an IP ban is best so he doesn't rejoin the community. Specially since he tried to pull it off.

Mod, please lock this thread and take care of him, I don't think much more is needed to be said.



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Ban Hammer anyone?


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That post was neither constructive nor insulting. Please only post if you have something to say that will make him feel bad, or more violations he made to get him banned longer.

Mod lock.



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IWTG: Hilarious man.

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DUDE!!! Please don't Ban me!!! I love this forum... Let me explain:

A. I didn't know those textures were form Filter Forge... And I still don't know because I DON'T own the program and I DIDN'T find their textures on their site, I promise!

B. I used these tutorials as a basis (and my already existing Photoshop Skills from the Fitton Center): http://www.photoshoppoint.com/textures/dirty-wall-texture/
http://www.bittbox.com/photoshop/reverse-grunge-easy-texture-technique-in-photoshop-and-others/
and like I said, I Googled for the Base textures.

C1. The artists technique of "hitchhiking" basically states that (According to the United States Copyright Laws, at least) You can copy any media and if you make at least 3 major changes to it, you can claim it as your own (My friend learned that in collage).

C2. The Major changes I made to THAT particular texture was overlaying it with 5 different grunge and cement textures (Some of my own invention and others not)

D.Why would you just Google Filter Forge if there is a direct link to it when you were first accused?
Quote: "Why would you just Google Filter Forge if there is a direct link to it when you were first accused?"
That was because I HONESTLY didn't see the link until you just pointed it out right there (And a guess, yes that was the texture I used)

E. I wouldn't leave and make a new account because that would be immoral (Though I probably would still get media form the forums without logging in).

F. I think that TGC is one of the greatest companies ever made, why would I want to get shunned from a community I have grown to love? Any stupid stuff I just did was PURELY accidental!

G. The reason you guys think I'm trying to cover something up is that I get very nervous when I get on the forums, (Don't know what to say or how to say it) you know how that is, right?

All I'm saying is "PLEASE DON'T BAN ME... I LOVE YOU GUYS AND I'M SORRY (and any crap that happened was surly accidental)!


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Quote: "C2. The Major changes I made to THAT particular texture was overlaying it with 5 different grunge and cement textures (Some of my own invention and others not)"
Oh yeah, and trying to get rid of the rivets, forgot about that...


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What is Filter Forge's license on this media?

And the only altercation made to the image looked like 1 (maybe 2) layers of brushes and a change in the hue.

I really doubt you used 5 overlays of a different texture. If you did, we wouldn't be able to see the similarities of it and the Filter Forge texture that I showed above. They are clearly visible too.

And still, you did try to lie, so you are a liar, and you tried to get away with it when obviously you knew it wasn't your images that you were using in the first place.



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Yea but he said he didn't know they were from filterforge.

Wraith, I'd remove the texture file, and just chill. If you didn't know I'm sure the mods would be lenient and give you a warning.

But what do I know?

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A. I didn't use ANY brushes in Photoshop... All the texturing was soft or hard blending in the layers options... Which I used 3 cement textures (of varying grains) and 2 grungy textures along with the original base.

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Quote: "And still, you did try to lie, so you are a liar, and you tried to get away with it when obviously you knew it wasn't your images that you were using in the first place."


I didn't lie because according to US copyright laws It was MY media to redistribute however I wanted because It was a major alteration in three or more parts (Gosh, hasn't anyone taken law or gone to an art institute!?!), because I MADE IT! Also, I plead that I truly didn't get them from Filter Forge and that I was honest in that, I got them from GOOGLE(Which redirected me to a site that WASN'T Filter Forge) and to my knowledge never came from that site to begin with!

Dudes, I was a Boy Scout in High School (Which you probably won't see the reliance, but still the same)!

I'm going to take down the texture, sense thht seems to be the root of the problem and urge anyone who downloaded it already not to use it (Though I am not a liar and am completely within my full legal rights!)


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Thanks Kosh, at least SOMEONE believes me!


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Well if you used 5 overlays, how come we can see the base texture so well? And all of the details on the base texture.

Either way, mods need to take care of you. Seriously, do your own texture work. It's not really so hard you gotta steal someone else's.



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Quote: "how come we can see the base texture so well?"


Because (if you know anything about the layers tab of Photoshop CS1) You will notice that you can set it so that the bend is what's known as a "soft light", in which you can still see the original layer underneath. The same works for a "hard light", but not as clear as a soft blend (Unless you have a layer that isn't very intricate) (Screenshot of the "blending options" menu attached)

Quote: "Either way, mods need to take care of you. "

Mabey the mods need to take care of you... Your kinda a jerk and last time I checked, that's not proper forum conduct either. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Quote: "Seriously, do your own texture work. It's not really so hard you gotta steal someone else's."


For the last time... I DIDN'T STEAL!!! I (within the laws of where I live) used a base texture which was readily available for public use (but NOT through Filter Forge, sorry about THAT misunderstanding) and edited it in a process known "hitchhiking", in which you make 3 or more drastic changes to a piece of art and then claim it legally and LOGICALLY your own piece of art to do with (and distribute) as you please WITHOUT any ramifications, legal or otherwise (this means you!)... Yeah!


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Then where did you get the texture? Because your other textures on Turbosquid uses filters from Filter forge.
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Quote: "Then where did you get the texture? Because your other textures on Turbosquid uses filters from Filter forge."


Google took me to a bunch of different places, but the textures I got for most of my bases where in a .zip file, I think... But don't quote me on it...

I also got some cool cement and grunge from Googling, too, and I KNOW they were free for commercial use, though they were kinda hard to find. That's how I made them have a nice gritty feel (The "sharpen" tool and the built in Photoshop "styles" also helped out a lot)


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I'm not buying this. Why he** would you try and cover yourself if this is infact the case?

Nobody would tell EDIT lies like that if they didn't do anything wrong.

I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you got a stone texture from filter forge as well and blended it in. Note the seamlessness.

I wish the rules were more flexible.

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Quote: "Why he** would you try and cover yourself if this is infact the case?"


I'm not trying to "cover myself", if it appears that way, it's because I'm nervous and/or (about me taking down the texture) trying to stop this fiasco from getting too out of hand! I have not once tried to legitimately "cover myself", but there is something called self preservation... Which you would know about if you were a human being with a functioning heart!

By the way, Black Terror: Why do you care anyway! I didn't hurt you in any way, shape or form, nor was it your media in which I sole, and I already took down the texture (and urged everyone not to use it). It seems to me that... You need to get a life (and be hugged, pet a puppy, smile a old person once in a while; it really does help you feel better about yourself). Mabey even volunteer at the local soup kitchen on Saturdays, it helps me a lot! But anyway...

I said I was sorry, It was an accident and I will never try to post textures or other non-icon media on the forum again! How many times must I say that! I just want to stop the drama!


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Quote: "I'm just gonna take a wild guess that you got a stone texture from filter forge as well and blended it in. Note the seamlessness.
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Okay look... Just get off your high horse and Google cement, okay... You'll find alot of them, and there is a way to make textures seamless, it's called the "patch" tool and the "stamp" tool... Your a texturer, don't you know that?


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Alright, Black Terror, you've made your point some time ago. Cursing at someone who was trying to help the community is not constructive, and truth be told, you would have to be as picky as a three-year-old with his food in order to take the time to point those parts out. At least three of those circles you did are barely visible in the new texture. And there's enough of a difference in the textures to warrant it being considered a different texture.

You guys are sitting here saying "Yeah, I could do that in fifteen minutes, big deal." Have you even TRIED to come up with original stuff that didn't look like an acid trip? Despite what you weekender GDs might think, quality media takes quite a while to develop, especially when it comes to doing things custom. Now, I believe Wraith when he says he never even heard of Filter Forge given some of his previous work. Why would he lie? He's been around long enough to see what happens to people who rip from other artists, the last thing he, or any other decent content providers here, would want to do is to rip off someone else.

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Wow... thanks, that means a lot to me to hear someone stick up for me like that! I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT!


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Cornett Media:
Why don't you take a look at my thread with my textures in it. Those do not take me hours to do and they are from photos. And its not like they were already seamless to begin with.

"Why would he lie? He's been around long enough to see what happens to people who rip from other artists"

Umm, maybe because he doesn't want the same thing to happen to him?? Was that really so hard to figure out now?


I have every right to curse at him if I want to (Incorrect; please read the AUP to learn why). I don't know about you, but here in America, we can say whatever we want.

1st of all, don't tell me to get a life just because I disagree with your habits of copying other people's work.

2nd of all, the circles I made were NOT hard to find. I did not spend 30 minutes finding everything similar, I just highlighted the obvious markings that they both had, I'm sure any three year old can realize that too. Also, notice the highlighted and shaded areas are in the exact same place on both images.

3rd of all, how about Wraith shows us where he got this texture if it wasn't from File Forge. Obviously not too many sites have copyrighted material on their website. Wraith, you were covering yourself up when you said "I JUST Googled Filter Forge and holy crap I wish I had that tool earlier... But NONE of my textures have been "Filter Forged" or even mad using textures that have been "Filter Forged""

^^ Obviously you lied there. Why would you go and Google to find out what Filter Forge is when we gave you a direct link to their website? It doesn't make any sense, you cannot argue that you didn't do it if you don't even know what they accused you of.

"At the VERY MOST, I used an artest's technique know as "hitchhiking""
a) You spelled artist's wrong
b) You just admitted to using a texture, after you denied that you used it.
c) Where have you ever heard "hitchhicking" before? Besides when people pick you up from the shoulder of the road.

So far, we have brought lots of evidence that you copied these textures from Filter Forge, and what have you brought to the table? Lame excuses? Begging to not be banned? Links to websites that clearly have no relation to your texture, but to how you made it? Why don't you just check your history and provide us with links of where you found the textures?

BTW: I seriously doubt you have ANY "Wraith Staff" when you type so unprofessionally like this:
"DUDE!!! Please don't Ban me!!! I love this forum... Let me explain:"

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I know, wraith, do you have the psd file of it? give it to us, and then we can clear this out.

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@Black Terror

Nice find... Wow those were taken for sure.

@wraith

Wraith, if you did create this you would have already uploaded the master file for proof. If not you can clearly see it was taken as Black Terror has stated and proved with the screenshots.

Quote: "Though I am not a liar and am completely within my full legal rights!) "


http://www.filterforge.com/termsofuse.html

HMM....

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I GIVE UP... BAN MY IP... I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!!! JUST MAKE MR. RIGHT HAND OF GOD SHUT UP ALREADY!!! NO I DON'T HAVE TH .PSD, I ALWAYS DELETE THOSE AFTER I DO ANYTHING!!!

WHY DO I WANT TO BE APART OF THIS FORUM ANYWAY!!! IF YOU ARE ALL JUST GOING TO TURN AGAINST ME!!!

GO AHEAD BAN ME!!! I DON'T FREAKING CARE!!! JUST SHUT HIM UP!!!



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That is why we have psychiatrists who deal with anger problems.
Quote: "I GIVE UP... BAN MY IP... I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!!! JUST MAKE MR. RIGHT HAND OF GOD SHUT UP ALREADY!!! NO I DON'T HAVE TH .PSD, I ALWAYS DELETE THOSE AFTER I DO ANYTHING!!!

WHY DO I WANT TO BE APART OF THIS FORUM ANYWAY!!! IF YOU ARE ALL JUST GOING TO TURN AGAINST ME!!!

GO AHEAD BAN ME!!! I DON'T FREAKING CARE!!! JUST SHUT HIM UP!!!
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No one is turning against you just because. We have a good reason and you made it worse when you lied.

Why a mod isn't in this? I haven't a clue.

- Mr. Right Hand of God



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Posted: 20th May 2008 00:24
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Black Terror, you brought up some good points and all but i think you made your point quite some time ago.

I mean no offense, but you're just kind of rubbing salt in the wound.
Because if he IS lying then he knows what he did.

And I don't know why the mods aren't on this one either


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Posted: 20th May 2008 00:40 Edited at: 20th May 2008 00:43
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Quote: "I DON'T HAVE TH .PSD, I ALWAYS DELETE THOSE AFTER I DO ANYTHING!!! "


Why would you not save your master file? That makes no sense... Anyway, I am done with this topic. Always save your master files.



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LOL darimc!

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