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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] How are you spending/ investing your stimulus check?

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 15th May 2008 00:48
For those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about:

In the US, anyone who filed taxes this year who earned $3500 or more will be getting "free money" from the government, in an effort to "stimulate the economy." These checks, called "stimulus checks," (clever name, eh?) are being sent out between now and late August, based on the last two digits of your social security number (so, 00 to 09 should already have their check, 90 to 99 will get theirs in late August). Anyone earning $3500 to $75,000 (I think that's the range anyway) gets $600. If you earned less than $3500 but still filed, or if you get money from the government (welfare, social security, disability, etc.) you get $300. If you joint-file with your spouse, you get $1200 ($600 each). If you have kids who qualify as dependents, you get $300 per kid. I may have goofed some of the numbers but for the most part, you get the idea... most Americans will be getting $600, and $300 per child.

So, how are you going to spend (or invest) your stimulus check? Are you going to blow it on stuff, or are you planning to invest it in something serious?

Personally, I'm getting my PS3 and a copy of GTA4 finally. Every time I get close to buying a PS3 something bad happens and we need to dish out money to fix it, lol. So this check is going to get a PS3, GTA4, some Coca Cola, and a few pizzas, so I can fully veg out and play GTA4 non-stop until it's finished with 100% lol.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 01:10
Great Matt, use your stimulus check to improve Japan's economy. Awesome thinking.

j/k.


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Posted: 15th May 2008 01:16
my income tax refund was about 10x the stimulus check and i couldn't rationalize the refund as "extra money" so i'll be doing the same with this check: "letting it sit" (normally in CD's, of which i have a few maturing soon, so we'll see what the rates are then). it's the gas and food prices (which are only going to continue climbing) that have caused my current mentality re: money. i don't normally "splurge" too much anyway (read as i try to be sensible) but i'm definitely "tightening the belt", as they say.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 01:17
Hmm, I actually didn't know about this, lol. Hmm. If this is true I will be getting more money back than I paid on taxes?

That'd be uber sexy.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 01:17
You'll enjoy GTA4. It's awesome, the controls are hard to get used to at first, but they work great together.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 01:40
Yea, what happens if your under 18, have a job, filed taxes, but made no were near 3500??? do you still get the money, or do you have to be 18?


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Posted: 15th May 2008 02:46 Edited at: 15th May 2008 02:48
lol Rami . Well, the way I see it, it isn't really going to help the economy that much, especially if most people will just blow this on gasoline filling their SUV's.

Darn it Zeke, now I have to kill you ! lol I've been joking with everyone that I don't want anyone to tell me anything about it hehe. They changed the control layout? That sucks, I really liked the layout from SA. Are you on the PS3 version or the 360 version?

I beg all of you to not tell me anything more about the game though, I want to learn features and missions myself. I'm rediculous about spoilers hehe. I'm sure Jeku is going to take this opportunity to get revenge against me for accidentally ruining that episode of the Sopranos though, where Junior "did something" to Tony. lol he isn't that revenge-stricken though... I hope!

@ Flashing: it depends. If you're filed as a dependent then I don't think you'll get a check . If you're filed as an independent and you earned less than $3500, then I *think* you get $300, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 04:15
I'm on the PS3. I forget the old control layouts, but I'm pretty sure this one is different. (it felt really unfamiliar)

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Posted: 15th May 2008 05:23
Quote: "@ Flashing: it depends. If you're filed as a dependent then I don't think you'll get a check"


It's true. If you're filed as a dependent, even if you're over 18, you don't get a stimulus check. Instead, your parents/guardians supposedly get more added to theirs.

Which kinda ticks me off. Otherwise, I'd be getting an extra $600 from this



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Posted: 15th May 2008 06:28
Hopefully your parents will be cool and give you the $300 at least

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Quote: "I'm sure Jeku is going to take this opportunity to get revenge against me for accidentally ruining that episode of the Sopranos though, where Junior "did something" to Tony."


Thanks for the reminder


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Posted: 15th May 2008 10:55
We in the UK do pretty much the total opposite. Ah, I love the smell of uber tax in the morning Saying that the tax here in Cyprus is fantastic. Haven't paid a cent in a year and a half and now will be paying sooo much less than I did in the UK Even the petrol tax is nowhere near as criminal (although probably would still make an American weep).

And after saying all that I am moving back to the UK in the next few months. Yep, kiss goodbye to my new Greek god looks and tan (heh). Good news is I'm moving back for really seriously good reasons.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 10:58 Edited at: 15th May 2008 10:59
I'm going to send my stimulus check straight to Japan and/or China!


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Posted: 15th May 2008 13:06
...How dare you.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 13:42
haha. i dont think ill get a check then. but oh well. IF i did get one, it would right into my fund for a new computer, and then i would have enough


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Posted: 15th May 2008 14:21
Taxes in the UK are totally messed up. The current government have their lowest support for nearly 40 years. They are now in big trouble, having raised so many stealth taxes and removing lower tax bands that it has become extremely noticeable. Gordon Brown never realised that stealth taxes only work in moderation.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 14:32
Well cross your fingers that we get one too... (don't hold your breath). Just to cause controversy I will say that if we did get one then I would spend it on Rock Band (total price in the UK will be more than the cheapest XBox 360 apparently (UK ripoff price for 360 that is)). Check out the price difference for Rock Band between US and UK for kicks and laughs. Then look at the excuses for more chuckles (all of them built in China I believe). Hohoho etc...

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Posted: 15th May 2008 15:23
Looks like Amazon will have RockBand hardware and game for £140. I won't hold my breath for a stimulus, hell I haven't had a single penny back in the last 15 years so I doubt things will change much!.


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Posted: 15th May 2008 15:36 Edited at: 15th May 2008 16:01
Quote: "Taxes in the UK are totally messed up"


I know what you meen, at a time when everythink is getting more expensive, jobs harder to get and the Econemy is messed up, some people, (like Myself) will now find my tax rate Doubling, Brown says its fine because all the added help, (benefits, New tax back plan for lower payed workers, Ect), But as a young single man working full time for £12k per year with no children i dont qualify for any help, even with housing, Maybe i should put a sign out saying "Will sleep with woman for Benefit Claims"

on several occasions i have even though of quitting my job as i would be finansialy better off, thats wrong when thats the state of things as theres no reward in working, I dont work long hours in a job I dont like for the fun of it.

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Posted: 15th May 2008 16:37 Edited at: 15th May 2008 16:45
Heh, I'm pretty sure I won't be getting a stimulus check. If I do, I'll probably put it in savings, putting it towards my "hitting the real world after college" fund.

[edit]Heh, and my tax rebate was a grand $11 dollars. Not exciting.[/edit]

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Posted: 15th May 2008 21:27
Quote: "Thanks for the reminder "

D'oh!

Quote: "Taxes in the UK are totally messed up. The current government have their lowest support for nearly 40 years. They are now in big trouble, having raised so many stealth taxes and removing lower tax bands that it has become extremely noticeable. Gordon Brown never realised that stealth taxes only work in moderation."

It's sort of the same way here. Bush said he'd lower taxes, and he did... for rich people . If you earn over $120k per year, your taxes were lowered, if you earn less than that, they were raised. Warren Buffet (the billionaire) said he paid less in taxes in the US than his secretary, who earns $60k/ yr! The sad thing is, most people only saw "Bush lowered taxes" and didn't realize (somehow) that their own taxes were actually raised, lol. Now they're talking about lifting the federal gas/ petrol tax for the summer to relieve the extortionate gas prices. Yay. $0.15 saved per tank lol. It's roughly $30 in total savings for most people, spread out across the whole summer .

But at least we don't have to pay a VAT. I don't exactly know what a VAT tax is, but it doesn't sound great hehe. Isn't it like an additional sales tax applied to techie stuff?

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Posted: 15th May 2008 21:34 Edited at: 15th May 2008 21:35
You have to pay a whole 17.5% more on what you buy if it has VAT. Thieving government

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Posted: 16th May 2008 01:31
Things are going to change, soon. They can't keep going on the way they are. For a lot of people, the income from benefits is far more than any job you could get. Not to mention that's there's little industry anymore. We've become a load of useless, lazy layabouts who never accomplish anything without going billions over budget and then finding out it doesn't work anyway. How often do you flip something over and see "Made in the UK" emblazoned upon its underside?

I can't remember the last time I did.


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When Gordon Brown was elected I predicted there would be an economic revolution in Britain by 2017
I might well be right!

I have personal experience of being on the dole (unemployment benefits) and the whole system is fecked up, they treat you like c*ap and you have to strangle them to give you any help. Meanwhile the government is paying to keep you alive and pay your rent too.
All they do is use taxpayers money to keep you alive and give you no hope that you\'ll ever find a job.
they assume that all they have to do is wait and eventually you\'ll find a job, but you wont because if you knew how to do that you wouldn\'t be there in the first place!

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Don't get me started on how stuff is in the Netherlands. We are the second highest tax payers in the world, with 19 percent on 'luxury goods', 6 percent on 'necessary goods' and up to 52 percent income taxes depending on how much you earn. Then, with the tax money, we pay the life for a few thousand people that really need it and a ten-thousand ones that just like having to do nothing - and sometimes even have an unfiled job next to the social payments.


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Posted: 16th May 2008 03:41 Edited at: 16th May 2008 03:45
When you screw your currency by printing more funny money and lowering interest rates you just end up with hyper inflation like Japan had for the last 10 years where kids would still be paying off the mortgage after their parents die because houses were so expensive you couldn't afford them in one lifetime!

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Posted: 16th May 2008 04:46
Does the Netherlands have universal healthcare?

Everyone is afraid of it in the US, some call it "socialized medicine." Mostly because they're afraid of paying more in taxes. But if you compare US taxes with French Taxes, the US is doing something wrong lol. In France, they pay more in taxes... but they DON'T pay for health care, DON'T pay for education, DON'T pay for daycare. At the end of it, the average American would actually be better off moving to France and paying their taxes than staying in the US. When you suggest this to someone, they often say "fine then, move to France!" But they're missing the point lol.

The fact that so many people on this forum are from different regions of the world, and that everyone is complaining about the economy... it makes me a bit worried . Well, really it's just three countries, but still, isn't it odd that three different countries are all facing economic issues right now? What's causing it? Or is it too political to get into here?

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Posted: 16th May 2008 04:48
Don't know much about the tax system here in Australia. Never had to pay tax. If you earn under I think it's $6000 or maybe $7000 you don't need to pay.


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Posted: 16th May 2008 05:03
One more thing I don't like about the idea of 'socialized medicine' is that there are lazy people in this country (the US) who will find ways to take advantage of it. We already have a lot of people taking advantage of welfare programs here. I don't want to pay more in taxes to help support the lazy people who aren't paying in as well. Know what I'm saying? I pay 50$ a month for my healthcare, so 600$ a year. I'm ok with that. If my taxes went up by a substantially larger amount I wouldn't be.

Now, that whole health care thing would be probably pretty great for my sister who has diabetes. It would probably work to her advantage, but not mine as I haven't even had to see a doctor in about 10 years.

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Quote: "Now, that whole health care thing would be probably pretty great for my sister who has diabetes. It would probably work to her advantage, but not mine as I haven't even had to see a doctor in about 10 years."


That's the spirit. Screw people who need expensive drugs, they can just die.

Thieving scum.

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Posted: 16th May 2008 11:57
Hehe, if my insulin cost anything like what I pay out in taxes I'd be in the insulin trafficking business!

In the UK people with Diabetes get free prescriptions, but it doesn't really amount to much in money, especially considering the areas where Diabetics are affected but get no additional aid. In actual fact, we have to pay more insurance, have a horrible time getting a mortgage, and often have to deal with discrimination when looking for jobs.


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Posted: 16th May 2008 12:22 Edited at: 16th May 2008 12:40
Please, dont get me started on the waste called the NHS.

Here in the UK, the Goverment Taxes people so they can get free Dental Work, Regardless to the fact i havn't seen a dentist for over 10 years, There one around the corner from where i live, but unless i pay private fee's he wont see me, but he still claims to be an NHS Dentist, that same place use to go to for a Dentist, but the moment i left school, they struck me from there list and demanded i pay private fees, i that i can go without.

As for Hospitals, The last time i went there they asked me about my bad habbits, I rairly drink, but admitted to being a heavy smoker from a young ago, As soon as i admitted this, they refused to let me past the Reseption Nurse to see a Doctor and sent me straight home, (Without any help), that was several years ago and I've never been back to the hospital since.

Regardless to the fact im not entitled to use either of these services, the Goverment still manages to charge me every week in my Taxes, Hense why im all up for the closing of hospitals which has been going around as there useless to a large number of the population.

Sorry for the rant but if i ran the country then i'd let people opt out of certain services, (Like Dental) so you dont have to pay them taxes, At least then they would have a reason to do a good job, or they would loose customers, I think 99.999% of people would proberley opt out of Dental if they could, The money you would save could go for the private dentist you have to see anyway.

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Posted: 16th May 2008 16:36 Edited at: 16th May 2008 16:38
As far as I know, we don't have universal healthcare. We pay insurance for our healthcare, although the state pays for a few medicines for newborns.

We do have a rule that hospitals are obliged to treat anyone who requires it - although you will get the bill eventually.


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Doctors/Hospitals are, IMHO, a necessary evil. They do help people, but I swear that sometimes they get out of touch with reality. I had numerous doctor visits over the last few years, and had to pay thousands of dollars for them to mis/not diagnose me. I have multiple stories from family and friends that are similar; mis/non diagnosis, usually sort of throwing anti-biotics at a problem.

I'm glad they're around, because they do work properly on some people, but I intend to stay out of Dr's office so long as I can.

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Posted: 16th May 2008 19:46
In the US, people are dying in waiting rooms and being refused service if they don't have insurance. You may not care for Michael Moore's movies, but "Sicko" was probably his best documentary to date. I strongly recommend it to every US citizen, particularly those who are opposed to universal healthcare .

There's always going to be freeloaders who ruin any system... that can't be avoided really, not without some form of totalitarian/ Orwellian rule anyway . But the damage caused to healthcare by the few who take advantage is far less than the damage caused by insurance companies, who deny service to people and do everything in their power to avoid paying out on claims. If you get into a car accident and you don't have health insurance, you're as good as dead, and if they do treat you, they'll bill you thousands, or even tens of thousands of dollars for every bit of service you recieve, even if you're unconscious and unable to protest. You'll live, but you'll be in debt for the next 15 years and your credit score will plummet as a result.

In Massacheusetts, they're trying a very loose format of "universal healthcare," or at least that's what they're claiming. Residents of that state must have health insurance by law, and if they don't, they get fined. The people who don't have health insurance aren't avoiding it because they don't want it... they simply can't afford it, so fining them for not having health insurance is just taking food from their table and forcing them further into debt. Hillary Clinton wants to nationalize this, and that's one of the main reasons I'm voting for Obama .

The real bottom line here is that even if you're only paying $600 yearly for health insurance, as is Dink's case, I think that's actually more than the taxes you'd pay with France's tax rate. Plus, you'd be getting free college, free day care for when you have kids, and whatever other wacky services they offer over there.

Later today after my Yahoo! interview I'm going to do the math and figure out precisely how much it'd cost with France's taxes versus how much most Americans are paying for stuff on top of their taxes and see what the real bottom line is... I need to figure out how much we'd be saving exactly under that system . But yeah, I'd rather deal with freeloaders than watch good people die because they lack good health insurance coverage/ can't afford it .

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Quote: "In the US, people are dying in waiting rooms and being refused service if they don't have insurance. You may not care for Michael Moore's movies, but "Sicko" was probably his best documentary to date. I strongly recommend it to every US citizen, particularly those who are opposed to universal healthcare"


I almost was about to believe your statement until you said "Moore". The guy makes stuff up and spins the truth in order to sell movies.


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universal healthcare is a great idea but governments need to get off their arses and make sure the doctors are doing their jobs and the people are getting the right kind of care. If someone goes to hospital every other week with an overdose they should work hard to help that person get back on track, in the long run it would save millions, lives and money. Spending more money on more effective treatments is far better than the half hearted approach the government has

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His movies do contain a bit of, well... spin, hehe. But they're entertaining, and most of his facts are usually true, he just exagerates a few of the numbers. My rule of thumb when watching a Michael Moore movie is that whenever he says a number, I divide it by two lol.

Quote: "If someone goes to hospital every other week with an overdose they should work hard to help that person get back on track, in the long run it would save millions, lives and money."

You couldn't be more right. Rehabilitation would permanently solve a reoccuring issue in those cases, and would be cheaper than continually paying out to solve the issue every time they come. The best way to cure needle scars is to stop using the needles . But you'll be hotly contested by people who think they shouldn't get any care/ treatment whatsoever. But yeah, if it's my tax money, I'd rather see them rehabilitated than just tossed around inside the same system, producing the same results and hospital bills.

My interview just ended a bit ago so I'm going to try and calculate this now. I'll only get a rough figure though. I'll just edit this post if no one else posts before I get back

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Posted: 17th May 2008 00:40
Quote: "That's the spirit. Screw people who need expensive drugs, they can just die."


That is not what I was getting at. If my sister could live without ever having to worry about her insurance I'm all for whatever can be done. Not just for her, for anyone. I still see issues with universal healthcare though. Don't accuse me of only thinking of myself. I'm thinking of everyone involved.

If I misworded my previous post, I apologize. It probably could be misconstrued.

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Posted: 17th May 2008 00:47
Finally calculated stuff

Please note that this is only intended to give us (well, me really lol) a VERY rough idea of how much taxes cost in comparison. There are a number of factors that aren't being weighed here, including property taxes, VAT, living expenses, etc. I didn't want to spend all day doing this lol. But I did find these results pretty interesting, as you might as well, hehe. I've attached the notepad (.txt) file on which I did all of these "calculations." Please don't rip me for missing this and that, I did as good as I could in such a limited period of time lol. Okay, the Findings!

Assumptions (See references below for where I came up with these figures)
* Average American earns about $26,000 per year (€16,675.07)
* Also consider someone earning $75,000 per year (€48,103.97) as a high-average control
* Assuming the individual spent $30,367 on four years of college at a private school, not counting room, board, etc. (so this is actually a very generous figure).
* Health insurance is $664 out of pocket on-average, yearly (lines up with what Dink said about him paying $600 out of pocket yearly)
* Child care costs $4000 per year (lowest average, can get up to $6k or even $10k in some areas, so this figure is also extremely generous)

In France...
A person earning $26,000 per year (€16,675.07) would pay 28.26% income tax, equalling $7,347.60. They wouldn't pay college, health insurance, or child care costs as they would in the United states. A person earning $75,000 per year (€48,103.97) would pay 48.09% income tax, equalling $36,067.50.

In the United States...
A person earning $26,000 per year would pay 15% income tax, equalling $3,900.00. A person earning $75,000 per year would pay 25% income tax, equalling $18,750.00. To this we'll add $1518.35 in college tuition (yearly, for 20 years), $664 in out-of-pocket health insurance (for themselves, let's just assume the kids are free for some reason because I'm lazy ), and child care service costs of $4000.

The Results:
The American earning $26,000 would pay $10,082.35 in the United States, for services they'd get in France that would cost them $7,347.60. This roughly translates to a yearly savings of $2,734.75 if they lived in France instead.

The American earning $75,000 would pay $24,268.35 in the United States, for services they'd get in France that would cost them $36,067.50. This roughly translates to a yearly savings of $11,799.15 if they stay in the United States.

In other words, the person earning $26k would be better off moving to France, while the person earning $75k should stay in the United States. But keep in mind that these are extremely rough figures and there are a lot of things to take into consideration. I was being generous with a lot of these numbers, and not so generous with others. For instance, I'm not taking into account those who go to a 2-year trade school, a community college, or a 4-year public/ state college/ university. I'm not considering people with no college education, or people who attended grad school, and I'm not counting dorm rooms/ off-campus rent, books, living expenses, tutoring, etc. And health insurance and day care both vary based on who you are, who employs you, where you live, etc. But it's still interesting I think

References
Average Income (part 1)
Average Income (part 2)
College Costs
French Income Tax
US Tax Brackets
Child Care
Health Insurance Rate
Quote: "However, the report indicates that between 2001 and 2005, there was a 30 percent national rise in what employees must now pay for family coverage -- translating into an additional average yearly out-of-pocket expense of $664. In total, the average employee must now shell out $2,585 for family coverage."


Quote: "RWJF notes that currently 47 million Americans are uninsured, of whom almost 9 million are children."



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bitJericho
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Posted: 17th May 2008 01:55 Edited at: 17th May 2008 01:56
That isn't quite right. Because a person earning "26k" a year is actually probably paying much more in taxes than what someone in France would be at the "same" pay rate.

This is because businesses must match the Social Security tax placed upon it's workers. So workers may see something like 2k a year deducted on social security, but in fact they've payed 4k, but the businesses can't print that extra 2k on the worker's paycheck deductions.

I could do a lot with an extra 2k.


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Posted: 17th May 2008 10:23
Sicko was a crock. There's a section where he walks into a Canadian hospital and everyone is cheery and saying the service is fast, etc. That must be the only hospital in the country where there's not a 3-6 hour wait to have a doctor see you. Just a few weeks ago a woman's appendix needed to be removed and she waited 24 hours for service. The hospital was backed up with people coming in for the littlest things (headaches, etc.) Free health care isn't what it's cracked up to be (although I'm still thankful for it, as I've had planned surgery and didn't see a bill).


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Posted: 17th May 2008 13:41
'Fine then move to france'

I can't stand that kind of comment unleashed on me in arguments. How dare we americans not agree with our bonehead gov't. I can't afford health insurance so i don't go.

Fed-ex is offering me some in two months whooo.


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Posted: 17th May 2008 14:22 Edited at: 17th May 2008 14:26
Quote: "In France, they pay more in taxes... but they DON'T pay for health care"

Part of the taxes paid go to social security, which pay a certain percentage of medical bills. The rest must be covered by insurance. The French healthcare system works well, I believe this is because it is properly funded, whereas the NHS is (under-)funded by the government and constantly drained by the thousands of immigrants that go to the UK to take advantage of it.

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You know my brother doesn't have health insurance and he had to go in to get his appendix removed a month ago. They took care of him immediately and he was in surgery in a few hours of getting to the hospital. They didn't deny him or anything for lack of insurance like alot of people say hospitals will do. I know an appendix isn't quite as expensive as say cancer or heart surgery or something but I don't think they are allowed to deny services to anyone in need of help.

Now yes, he doesn't have insurance so he'll be paying the bills for quite some time, but as of so far they've been reasonable monthly payments and he hasn't had an issue yet. He's still considering moving and buying a house etc etc. It hasn't stopped his life at all.

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Quote: "will be getting "free money" from the government"


I hope you realize that this is a "prebate" and not a "rebate", or free money. You are being advanced an amount which will be deducted from your return next year. Anyone who doesn't pay bills or put the money aside will be in "slightly" worse shape next year when the get their return, because it will be deducted.

It would be impossible for the government to give you free money, since their source is you. Even if it were not an advance on next years return and you didn't have to pay it back, something you get back after it was taken from you is not like getting something free. LOL

Most people are aware of the current economic state and will pay off bills with the prebate, but it should at least help to stimulate drug dealers and liquor stores.

Best.

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Posted: 21st May 2008 04:43
I like how the thread went quiet after xplosys said that.

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That's a ludicrous and completely false statement. First of all, it is not income, and so its not taxable.

Even if it were, its only taxable at the same rate as your income for the year. (i.e. Its not capital gains, or any other income taxable at a higher rate.)

Next, even if it were...all it could do is move your income into the next line of the tax chart, which increases by a nominal amount...usually about $15 or so per line.

Then, that just reduces what you get back by that same $15 dollar amount. That statement makes it sound like you are going to get an equal amount less next year, which is categorically FALSE.

Also, where are all of these people dying in US emergency rooms because they were refused health care?

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It's halftime in the UEFA Cup so I can't really get into this, but...

Quote: "Also, where are all of these people dying in US emergency rooms because they were refused health care?"

You apparently haven't cracked open a newspaper in the past, oh, two or three years. It's rare that people actually die from being denied service, but it happens far more often than it should. Again, half-time in the UEFA Cup, I don't have time to get into this, but I will later... it's nothing less than a complete fact that the American health care system is broken, useless, and harms more people than it helps. You'd be better off living in Cuba.

Quote: "Michael Moore is an idiot and a slob...and his movies are complete rubbish. "

Again, he exagerates things, and that's pretty annoying, but 90% of the stuff in his movies are in fact accurate. In fact, I'd feel a lot more comfortable getting a history lesson from Michael Moore than, say, Bill O'Reilly, who beside maybe Ann Coulter or Carrot Top, is the most rediculous waste of reproduction I've ever seen.

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Posted: 21st May 2008 23:05
More Bill O'Reilly bashing... *yawn*


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