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Geek Culture / Gas Prices - Raised again???!?

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dab
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Posted: 24th May 2008 01:31
Regarding my post, Its now $4.09 in one gas station, and $4.07 in the other.. -.-"
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Posted: 24th May 2008 03:23
this is a stupid debate
it's like arguing whether smoking gives you cancer, who cares? you're still filling your lungs with crap that will kill you!
the temperature will go down but that's because the ice caps melt and release cold water into the sea when the next summer comes around (northern hemisphere) it will heat the sea quicker as there are fewer icebergs

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Posted: 24th May 2008 10:45
Quote: "My input is that it's still way cheaper than many other countries, so stop complaining"


Yup, here it costs £5 for a gallon, that's around $7-10, so you're pretty lucky....

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Posted: 24th May 2008 19:59 Edited at: 24th May 2008 20:00
It may be $7 to $10 dollars there. But I'm going to assume that your minimum wage is higher $$ wise than ours. Such as, you probably make an average of $11/hour while here minimum wage is about $8.

That doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just assuming (Guessing).

Edit: changed working :S
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Posted: 24th May 2008 21:41 Edited at: 24th May 2008 21:43
Quote: "I'm paying £1.15 a litre which i believe is about $4.60 a gallon."

That didn't sound right, I thought the ratio of USD to GBP was roughly 2:1. I did one of those online currency converters and it said £1.15 equalled about $2.28 USD... no idea if it's accurate though, it was the first that came up lol. But the economy in Britain is stronger across the board, so it probably equates to being roughly equal I'd imagine.

Quote: "here minimum wage is about $8."

Don't forget though, that depends on what state you live in. The Federal minimum wage is a shoddy $5.85, but each state can set it's own minimum wage, so long as it's => the federal minimum. Here's a chart I found with the minimum wages for each state, annex, etc. My girlfriend used to live in Idaho, where the minimum wage was $5.85 when she lived there. But she lived on the border near Spokane Washington, so if she drove five minutes, she could make $8.07 . Every time we went to a fast food joint on the Idaho side, I was dumbstruck that people worked there lol.

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Posted: 24th May 2008 22:37
Matt, I dunno when the last time you bought gas by the liter, but I would hazard a guess you'd say never.

1 liter = 0.264172052 gallons.

1 gallon / 0.264172052 * $2.28 = $8.63


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Posted: 24th May 2008 22:56
Oh, duh, per liter! That's called posting and not thinking lol .

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Posted: 24th May 2008 23:00
Quote: "posting and not thinking"

I do that alot, rofl.

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Posted: 25th May 2008 00:01
Minimum wage here is $7.25, gas is $3.75...

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 25th May 2008 00:05
I think it's unlikely in the coming years I will be able to run an internal combustion powered car. I can't afford £1.20 a litre.


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Posted: 25th May 2008 01:10
Quote: "What's your point? The average wage might be higher in other countries, meaning they can afford it better."

No offense to any one here, but I doubt that to be likely. And if it is, then move over to that country. All I'm saying is people are complaining waaay too much about gas prices.

"Oh my! Gas at $4.00?! That's out rageous! Well, nothing else to do with my life but b**** about it."

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-naota

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Posted: 25th May 2008 01:18
Just buy a tesla

http://www.teslamotors.com/
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Posted: 25th May 2008 01:38
Yeah, just spend $109,000 on a car of which the battery will likely wear out. That'll fix our money woes. And where are you getting the power from? Likely a great proportion is from fossil fuels, landing us straight back at square one.


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Posted: 25th May 2008 02:40
I'm sorry Naota, but it's easy to not complain about gas when you have plenty of money to afford buying as much as you need. People are complaining about it because they can't afford it, not because they want to be annoying, lol. If people don't complain about stuff like this, it'll keep getting worse

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Posted: 25th May 2008 02:51
I can't afford it either. I'm in debt by a lot of money. In fact, I have $0.18 in the bank right now - and I REALLY need a lot more than that.

I also don't have the internet - I can't afford it. I have to live with my sister just TO live because I don't have a job, and can't get one either (I've tried!). I have to worry about being able to get as many programs as I can out and try to sell them because that's the only way I can make money.

I haven't got health insurance either, and I REALLY need it right now for many various reasons I can't even BEGIN to find a subject to start from. Unlike when I made that health thread almost a year ago, when I was able to start talking about my health, right now I have many more serious problems.

I haven't got enough money for food either. I've lost almost 20 pounds this month, and my stomach hurts all the time. I usually end up stealing food, or going to a friend's house to eat. Right now, I've got more food though. It's my sister who has to pay for the food.

Believe me, I can't afford gas either. But that's the LEAST of my worries.

Cheers,

-naota

I used to do a lot of time traveling when I was younger. I called it tequila. I would drink this potion and wake up 3 days in the future! 'Where am I trusty dumpster? Get me home!' - Craig Ferguson
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Posted: 25th May 2008 07:48
Quote: "Minimum wage here is $7.25, gas is $3.75..."


And minimum wage depends on age in the UK but let's say it's £5.50(basically the max), and that a litre of unleaded costs £1.10(lower than the average), that means a gallon costs £5. So if anything, people in the US have it much easier as they can afford almost 2 gallons with an hours worth of work, while we can only get 1.

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Posted: 25th May 2008 12:08
And you'll likely throw that down the tax drain anyhow..


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Posted: 25th May 2008 15:38
Yup........

God damn Gordon Brown.......

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Aertic
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Posted: 25th May 2008 15:39
He aint bringin them taxes down

dab
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Posted: 25th May 2008 20:21 Edited at: 25th May 2008 20:22
@Dark Coder:
Wow. That definately puts things into a bit better light.

Honestly that sucks. I say we should all move to an island, and name it TGCisland. Then we can grow our own corn and create gas. The TGC devs can be our government.
To make an impact, we can call all the greatest coders, and computer creators in the world. We can then create 1 national language (a mix between all languages). Then we can turn that language into a programming language that creates fast, and easy code. We will then create a virus that will control the entire world's computers, sine we Kidnapped Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs, this will be easy.

We will slowly take over the world, and control gas forever!

Yes.... this will work... I know it will..

Edit: Grammar fix. :S
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Posted: 25th May 2008 20:30
Quote: "Then we can grow our own corn and create gas"


Unfortunately we find out that without the government subsidies we can't sustain the system of making corn gas with more corn gas.

Because it costs too much darn corn gas to make it


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Posted: 25th May 2008 20:51
Quote: "Honestly that sucks. I say we should all move to an island, and name it TGCisland. Then we can grow our own corn and create gas. The TGC devs can be our government."

Well, since we're on an island, why not grow SUGAR and do sugar ethanol instead? Sugar ethanol FTW! It'd never work though. The government would just get overthrown by Grandma and his radical/ revolutionary buddies . Besides, all the good islands are taken already lol. And within two years, the whole island would be littered with half-built structures .

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Posted: 25th May 2008 22:37
I like the constant rise. And I hope that it rises even more. This will press the researches around better energy sources.

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Posted: 25th May 2008 23:32
Quote: "All I'm saying is people are complaining waaay too much about gas prices."


Let me guess--- you don't drive. If you drive a car, you have a right to complain. If not, well, zip it up.


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Posted: 26th May 2008 00:38 Edited at: 26th May 2008 00:39
Jeku strikes it. It's really easy not to care if it doesn't affect you. I decided to avoid both worlds of driving and public transportation but living downtown, 5 min away from work by foot.

Yeah it costs several arms, but I make up for it by not spending on trasport.

I like how the trasport guys yawn when gas prices are scary, and drivers yawn when transport goes through strikes or construction or delays.

Aaron Miller: I have almost been there. Hairline close. It's not a great place to be in. This would be a time to leave programming for a bit and set order in your life, than return once you are stable.

You don't have money for food (a short-term need) yet you intend on solving that problem by making programs and selling them? (a long-term want) That's scary dude! Try to find a job quick and I wish you good things for your health!

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Posted: 26th May 2008 00:58
@Jeku
While that may be true (I don't drive), it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. It affects me though, since I don't drive, the family does, and they take my money if they can (I get $600~ a month, but usually don't see any of it) and spend it on the car, bills, etc. So it does affect me - I don't get any money because of it!

But I'm not b****ing about it, since I know it costs more in other countries and other people are already doing it.

Cheers,

-naota

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Posted: 26th May 2008 01:02
Why don't you get any of that cash monay?

(Sorry if you answered this somewhere before, I didn't see it)

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Posted: 26th May 2008 01:40 Edited at: 26th May 2008 01:41
Quote: "Or heck, some people still don't believe in global warming, do they?"
20 degrees below average temperature yesterday...guess I don't believe.
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Posted: 26th May 2008 02:28 Edited at: 26th May 2008 02:28
Quote: "The model American male devotes more than 1,600 hours a year to his car. He sits in it while it goes and while it stands idling. He parks it and searches for it. He earns the money to put down on it and to meet the monthly installments. He works to pay for gasoline, tolls, insurance, taxes, and tickets. He spends four of his sixteen waking hours on the road or gathering his resources for it. And this figure does not take into account the time consumed by other activities dictated by transport: time spent in hospitals, traffic courts, and garages; time spent watching automobile commercials or attending consumer education meetings to improve the quality of the next buy. The model American puts in 1,600 hours to get 7,500 miles: less than five miles per hour."

From http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/texts/energy_and_equity/node2.html

A lot of the people I work with live within ~5 miles of work. Plenty of them moan about car costs even though a cheaper slower method like cycling would take less time overall. Of course then you don't get the status symbol of a car or the luxury of riding in a nice warm box in the winter.

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Aaron Miller - you deserve better.
Why in the world would someone not hire you?

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Posted: 26th May 2008 09:31 Edited at: 26th May 2008 09:32
mmmm cant wait until we drive plastic cars with crappy electric motors running on some sort of crap going 3km/h down the highway.....


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First of all, to get all things cleared up, we can't drill the oil from Alaska because if we do we will damage the extremely fragile ecosystem there. And about the global warming thing, I don't believe in it and if it was real, it would be caused by the moon.
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Posted: 26th May 2008 16:00 Edited at: 26th May 2008 16:07
Quote: "I get $600~ a month, but usually don't see any of it"

Seriously? They take your paychecks, and make you use public internet? Forget about it! In the very, very least, you should be able to get your own net and pay for it yourself, and if they don't like it, too bad for them. Unless you're 14 years old and those are residual ice skating championship earnings, they can't touch your money by law. I always figured you were older, at least around my age actually, and if that's the case, you don't need to put up with that garbage... no way, no how .

Quote: "A lot of the people I work with live within ~5 miles of work. Plenty of them moan about car costs even though a cheaper slower method like cycling would take less time overall. Of course then you don't get the status symbol of a car or the luxury of riding in a nice warm box in the winter."

You could of course buy a nicer bike though, hehe. Though there's nothing more obnoxious than a cyclist who things they're a proper vehicle lol, dodging and weaving through traffic like Cristiano Ronaldo avoiding transfer talks, lol. But yeah, it's way better if you live close enough to do that. No gas prices, tolls/ congestion fees, any of that, plus it's better for the environment, and healthier for you .

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Quote: "mmmm cant wait until we drive plastic cars with crappy electric motors running on some sort of crap going 3km/h down the highway"

Misconception. Someone made an electric racecar that outruns Ferraris off the line. Then there's the BMW Hydrogen 7, which runs on (you guessed it) Hydrogen fuel... it's a 260hp hydrogen/ gasoline vehicle with an electronically-limited top speed of 143 MPH (certainly faster than your average car). By no stretch of the imagination, it could be said that with proper research and funding, we could have street vehicles ready for mass production in ten years that actually outperform gas-guzzlers

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Quote: "No offense to any one here, but I doubt that to be likely."

Yeah, I doubt that some countries are more wealthy than others.

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Quote: "I wouldn't even blame Middle-Eastern countries to charge the USA triple the price, by the way. You dudes really need to sign the Kyoto treaty."


Actually they better give up before we stomp their face in the ground.
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Posted: 9th Jul 2008 00:01 Edited at: 9th Jul 2008 00:06
Well, they're coming up with 'pay per kilometer' taxes here, plus 'fuel taxes', plus a 'provincial/state'-tax that you have to pay even if you don't drive. All in all, screw it.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/
http://www.inc.com/multimedia/slideshows/content/gas-prices_pagen_2.html
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Quote: "Actually they better give up before we stomp their face in the ground."


You revived the thread for such a low-brow comment?

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Quote: "You dudes really need to sign the Kyoto treaty."


I've been hearing tha_rami say this in multiple threads but with no explanation as to why. The Kyoto Treaty lets smog hungry countries like China get away with ridiculous environmental policies.


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The Kyoto treaty is symbolism. It's obvious that such a treaty is useless if the most powerful country in the world ignores it. If a treaty, that is a first step towards reducing greenhouse gasses is simply nuked by some idiots in the White House, you got me angry.

We're talking 5,2% reduction here compared to 1990, or about 30% if taking into account the expected growth. America just doesn't want to, seeing their economy seems to run on things that destroy or damage the environment.

China does not have the resources to do a lot, but at least they try (hence signing the treaty), the USA does have such resources but simply refuse to do anything at all.


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In the latest issue of Wired they reported the calculated time that the Kyoto Treaty would actually cut back dangerous greenhouse gases if implemented properly is... drumroll please... 6 days. I'm all for developing a great custom "green" policy, but blindly signing such a flawed system as the Kyoto Treaty, which has just as many opponents as proponents, is not smart. The Kyoto Treaty is wealth transfer disguised as environmentalism.


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Quote: "heading into if we don't find an alternative fuel source. Hydrogen and/ or sugar ethanol FTW!"


Both decent choices, but Methanol would be our best bet it can be made from any organic material and even some inorganics, provides more energy than ethanol (yet less than gasoline). We could pull the materials from our landfills and would not need to be growing crops for fuel, though grass is a great option.

We (America) need to stop funneling Billions of dollars into the pockets of people who have stated they want us gone.

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Sigh. I'm back to the UK soon for more commuting goodness... Gotta love commuting near London. Last time I was back it was about £1.20 a litre (so about $2.40), and thats just for crappy 95, not super unleaded or anything. My old turbo nutter car would run like crap on that rubbish (performance enhanced for 97+). Note though that I think there is a *slight* difference between US and British litres and gallons (I think we use imperial). I read somewhere once that on average we got it about the same as the US but our tax was like nutty. Fun fun fun...

Must make the most of working from home in Cyprus with view of sea! Then again, no bird here!!!!

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Also the Kyoto treaty has been signed by the US, just not ratified (according to Wikipedia).

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Posted: 9th Jul 2008 11:06
On average im spending around £700 a month on fuel

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Posted: 9th Jul 2008 13:49 Edited at: 9th Jul 2008 13:56
Fuel has always gone up at astonishing rates, so im not realey supprised, i never even took my driving test because i could see at the prices its at, (And it will raise further), its pritty much a waste of money, And thats without mensioning the conjestion charge which they want to set up in manchester

Edit: You should feel sorry for IanM, it must be costing him a fortune to get to/from his moon base

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Public transport for the win! My aunt gets on the commute to London via train, it beats the traffic and saves on petrol, so it works out cheaper and quicker. (I think)

This rising fuel prices are a put off for somebody who probably isn't too far from the need of learning to drive (when I finish Uni, chances are I'll still be living with my parents and they can't drive me to work everyday), my solution will be see how much I can rely on public transport and a bicycle, I mean it could work out much cheaper and cycling/walking about is healthier.

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Quote: "Public transport for the win!"
Yeah, if you can put up with obviously escaped mental patients at times.

Plus some places are rubbish. I lived in Bracknell for a while (and will again soon), which is right next to Ascot (quite near London) and was built up as a new town to commute to London in the 60's I believe. So the trains and buses are great right? Nope, absolutely pants. When we got took over we had to travel to Slough (spit) every day. Takes me 30 mins each way in the car. If I take the train it takes about an hour and a half (not counting walking or cycling to station). Forgot bus; I'm not sure it even goes there... Oh and we worked it out at the time, even putting up with extra journey time wouldn't have saved us all that much over a cheap economical car. So of course we all bought turbo nutter efforts when the company replaced company cars with car allowances...

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Posted: 9th Jul 2008 15:43 Edited at: 9th Jul 2008 16:18
A 1 week bus pass costs me £10 in manchester, journey take about 30-45 minutes, or if i walk it takes 1-1.5 Hours, but it would still cost much more by car as you dont only have to pay for fuel, but tax, mot, ect, it would cost me a fortune.

plus the Conjeston Charge they want adding in manchester would mean it would cost 5-10 pounds per day, (Just for conjection charge), just to go to the buildng i work in, (next to manchester city center)

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Anyone one seen the air powered car they have in France or a link to the web site.

Plus does water for gas really work?

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Quote: "Yeah, if you can put up with obviously escaped mental patients at times.
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I refer to them as 'entertainment'.

Quote: "but it would still cost much more by car as you dont only have to pay for fuel, but tax, mot, ect, it would cost me a fortune."


Servicing, Parking, the car itself and any cars that you buy afterwards as well, I mean when you're coming out of University, like I will be in a couple of years (hopefully) the cheapest solution is the obvious solution, particularly if I want to be able to rent a house or flat, if I get a good enough job when leaving and manage to rent a house then I'd aim for a similar lifestyle as my Uni one, everything at a convenient distance, if not, at least have a bus service.

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