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Alucard94
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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 19:19
Quote: "Bruce Almighty was one of the worst comedies to come out in the last decade or so Jim Carrey is past his prime. In my opinion he does a much better job in more dramatic roles like The Truman Show or Eternal Sunshine."

Agreed to the fullest on this one

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WOW. I honestly cannot believe you guys think so poorly of Bruce almighty and Jim carrey. I really have a hard time comprehending how ANYONE could have NOT liked Bruce almighty. I can understand not thinking its the greatest comedy in a decade, (I believe that, but many people think its not quite THAT good.) but I simply can't understand how any human being could have thought Bruce almighty was bad. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 20:42 Edited at: 26th Jun 2008 20:42
I don't think bad of Jim Carrey, I just think that he has passed his age in comedic sense, the serious stuff (for example Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which was awesome) is so much better that he should just stick to doing that all together...
And Bruce Almighty was awful, not Jim Carrey, just the movie in its own.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 20:45 Edited at: 26th Jun 2008 20:46
I thought Bruce almighty was kind of average. Just a watch-and-forget movie. But people are different and so are their opinions, we should try and respect them. And you [Omega gamer 89] should understand that just because you hold a movie in such high esteem doesn't mean other people do as well. It's fully understandable that people like different things. It should not come as a shock, or ~not make sense.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 21:00
I DO respect other people's opinions. I just don't understand how they came to have them, in this case. I Do realize that just because I like something doens't mean everyone has to. What I was trying to say is this:
Bruce almighty was such an incredibly awesome movie, (IMO) that I don't understand how anyone could have not liked it.
Saying "Bruce almighty is bad." to me is almost the equivalent of saying "The mona Lisa is bad." or "The thinker is bad." to an art collector. They're just gonna say "That's crazy! How can you possibly think that?!"
I have honestly never met anyone who deosn't like Bruce almighty before. And I really thought I never would. I respect your opinions, I just don't understand why they are what they are.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 21:25 Edited at: 26th Jun 2008 21:25
Quote: "It's fully understandable that people like different things."


Agreed. Pauly Shore's entire career is a result of people liking different things.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 21:35
I know people like different things. I just have a hard time believing that some people DON't like Bruce almighty. Its a movie that (IMO) anyone and everyone could enjoy at leaat a little. Did you really hate it? Or did you just not like it?
The difference as I see it is that if you hate it, you think its just a horrible movie all around. If you just didn't like it, you thought it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't really good either.
Sorry, I just have a hard time believing you didn't like it whatsoever at all.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 21:49 Edited at: 26th Jun 2008 21:51
Jim Carrey can get on my nerves when he comes to comedy, but admittedly I have wathed some of his major movies recently, so they mustn't be that bad. Bruce Almighty was an okay movie when I watched it, but I'd like it even less now. But when it comes to Jim's serious movies, I agree with people here, he's better at them.

But I prefer intelligent humour, and stupid humour seems to get samey across the board and can come off as a bore. Intelligent humour, because people put thought into the jokes and often or not manage to deliver with a great wit, of course I find this really only shines in stand-up.

Of course stupid or simple humour can be good, because you don't always need to dedicate your intelligence to them, it's more of a casual or relaxed thing, hence I find kids' shows and TV fun to watch as well, Kung Fu Panda looks good and I like all of the Pixar movies (except the Incredibles and I haven't seen Cars)

You may find it hard to believe people's views on Jim Carey, I can see why you'd find it hard, I mean I find it hard to believe that there are people out there that don't find Bill Bailey funny, now that's something hard to believe! Not everybody's got the same way of seeing things or find the same sort of humour funny - I mean people think Geek humour is stupid, whereas some really like cheesy jokes whilst others hate them - it's a wonderful and diverse world out there, somebody is always going to have the exact opposite opinion to you.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:11
I'm actually pretty surprised you guys don't like Bruce Almighty as well. Though in no way was it the greatest comedy made (super bad and Grandma's boy hold that title lol) it was pretty good and I enjoyed just about all of it.

However, I think this Love Guru movie looks horrible. It's been getting average reviews nothing special.

I just saw Get Smart, now THAT was hilarious. And don't argue and say it sucked because it's been getting extremely good reviews lol. If you think Get Smart sucked then you're weird.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:13
Thanks for the support Jenkins, but lets try to keep it friendly here. Please don't insult the other users. They're not weird if they think Get smart sucked, they just didn't like it. You may not understand WHY they didn't like it, but that doesn't mean you have to call them weird.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:14
Quote: "You may not understand WHY they didn't like it, but that doesn't mean you have to call them weird."

Ya it would make them weird lol.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:19
... I'm not going to get into an argument with you. Just please don't insult others.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:26
Is it really that hard for people on this planet to take a joke dear Lord.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:27
You may have INTENDED it as a joke, but a lot of people would INTERPRET it as flaming.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:31
Quote: "I know people like different things. I just have a hard time believing that some people DON't like Bruce almighty."


I try to put myself in your spot and imagine a situation where I encounter people that DON'T like Battlestar. I don't find it hard to believe that some people don't like that show, even though I would tell my family to bury me with a copy of the DVD's in my coffin when I die. I hold it in pretty high regards, but at the same time I do know that opinions differ, and therefore don't have a hard time believing some people don't like the show.

So I'm confused as to why you have a hard time believing it, when you also said that you are aware that there are different "fancies". It sounds contradictory.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:37
I have a hard time belieing it because:
A) Its the single greatest comedy ever made. (IMO.)
B) I have never before met anyone who didn't like it.
C) I cannot think of any REASON as to WHY they wouldn't like it.
D) Its funny, its appropriate for most ages, its got a good plot, its well acted, and its just a great movie in general.

Can you think of any valid reasons that someone wouldn't like Battlestar? If you can, then you should be able to understand how people don't like it.
I CANNOT think of a valid reason not to like Bruce almighty, so I have a hard time understanding why people don't like it.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:46 Edited at: 26th Jun 2008 22:48
Quote: "I CANNOT think of a valid reason not to like Bruce almighty"


In my opinion it was boring.

What do you mean "valid"? What makes you the one who decides whether a movie is good or not for everyone else, and whether someone else's opinion is valid? My aunt doesn't like comedies--- period. She wouldn't like Bruce Almighty. Not everyone has your brain and likes your type of movies.

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Did you notice that nobody on this forum has agreed with you about Bruce Almighty yet? That is a valid enough reason for me.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:52
A. Well that is of course your perspective. Doesn't make it other's as a result.
B. Abscence of evidence is not evidence of abscence.
C. Doesn't make it impossible for other people to find a reason.
D. That again is relative. Except for "appropriate for most ages"...

Quote: "Can you think of any valid reasons that someone wouldn't like Battlestar?"


What jeku said. I couldn't have said it as good as him.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 22:55
Quote: "I CANNOT think of a valid reason not to like Bruce almighty"


Because shock value jokes aren't funny, neither are dog-poop/hump jokes. Surprisingly, I did kind of enjoy Evan Almighty because the story was decent and the ending was actually kind of well done. Still wasn't funny though.

I didn't like Eternal Sunshine, but I did like the Truman Show because it mixed his comedy with a really good story.

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Posted: 26th Jun 2008 23:23 Edited at: 27th Jun 2008 00:33
Now i am picky with Jim Carrey, i liked the number 23 and i think the truman show is a brilliant film. I liked Liar Liar and me myself and Irene but i 'm not so keen on the Cable Guy, no idea why he just bugs the hell out of me in it.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 00:18
Quote: "Quote: "Can you think of any valid reasons that someone wouldn't like Battlestar?"

What jeku said. I couldn't have said it as good as him."


Also what Jeku said, it's boring.


Well I find it boring.

Of course, what I'm really surprised about, is that sane people like Big Brother...sane people! And Grandma, my definition of sane, not yours.


I think it's a given, in a diverse world where so many people are different from each other, opinions cannot be universalised - I mean people can think the complete opposite to you and you may not agree with them. People will proclaim they're right on an opinion, yet somebody can proclaim they're right on an opposite opinion, I know plenty of people that will tell me Jim Carey is a terrible actor, incredible unfunny and Bruce Almighty is a load of trash. I say they're both 'okay' and you proclaim that he's hilarious and that Bruce Almighty is a brilliant film.

So I think the phrase "each to their own opinion" is probably needed, but no doubt somebody on this planet would disagree.

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Quote: "Saying "Bruce almighty is bad." to me is almost the equivalent of saying "The mona Lisa is bad." or "The thinker is bad." to an art collector. They're just gonna say "That's crazy! How can you possibly think that?!""

So wait, you are comparing yourself with an art collector, so that would make you a professional movie collector(I guess you mean critique then?) and you are comparing Bruce Allmighty with the mona lisa(which I don't even need to start on how wrong that is).
So okay here's the deal, first of all a professional movie critique sees films and critiques it right away(or should at least try to) and they are professionals, now I don't think(although heck, if you are, and you might be, slap me in the face for not thinking that you are) you are a professional.
And Bruce Almighty and the mona lisa is just such a unfair comparison it's ridiculous.
Sorry to be picky but still.
And yes I respect peoples opinions to the fullest, if you like that movie I have no issue what so ever in that, I am in no sense a "fanboy" person who tries to force people into believing what that person thinks(and I am NOT implying that you're one, far from it, you really aren't one and that's obvious) but I just wanted to point that out.

And I know I know, your comparison was probably just off the top of your head and whatnot but still, I like to be picky

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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 02:01
I'd be bored by the Mona Lisa, it's not the kind of art I'd find interesting to look at, I don't think it's crap because it's one of a kind, it is very sucessful and the artist is talented above a number of artists.

Jim Carey and Bruce Almighty is nothing really all that special in the line of business, but he's a successful entertainer and makes his fans happy, so that's what counts and is something you can respect.

But Classical Art > Modern Hollywood movies...though Art it's unfair to compare, as that kind of art isn't entertainment, so they're not in the same sort of league, the Mona Lisa is a matter of aesthetics, not cult comedy drama.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 02:25
Jim Carrey *was* new--- in 1991 when he was on In Living Colour. In Ace Ventura it was a new kind of comedic performance. However, since then he has done the exact same thing in all of his comedies.


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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 02:43 Edited at: 27th Jun 2008 02:44
ew, I HATE Jim Carrey. And I REALLY dislike Zohan, and Bruce Almighty wasn't really all that. Oh, And I can't STAND Jack Black. Lets see, anything else? lol, nah. Icky.

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@Jeku:
By a "Valid" reason I mean a reason that has little to no counter argumenet. A "Valid reason is NOT just "LOL IT IZ TEH SUX! W00T! I HAYTZ BRUCE ALMITEH!!!" (I am NOT accusing any of you of that. You all seem to have put actual thought into your dislike.) It IS something that is well thought out, has a decent grounding in facts or statistics, and is based more on fact than opinion. I know, I KNOW; Opinions are important to. BUT the reason I say it should be based more on fact than on opinion, is this: Everyones opinion is different, whereas facts are just that; facts. Although two people may disagree on whether it is "Way too hot outside.", no one can dispute the statement "It is currently 93 degrees farenheit outside." just so long as that IS the current temperature. Although one person my be sweating and feel really uncomfortably hot, and the other may be perfectly comfortable in that kind of heat, they both HAVE TO agree that the temperature is 93 degrees, or else they're just wrong.

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@Grandma:
A) it is BECAUSE that is my prespective that I find it so hard to believe someone could not like it. I just think its taht great a movie and fuind it odd that anyone could think so dramatically differently. I DO understand how someone could think it isn't the best comedy of all time. I DO NOT understand how someone could not like it at all.
B)that is true. I merely meant that since I have met so MANY people who DO like it, I figured mostly everyone did.
C)Thats what I was asking for. Can someone give me a valid reason? (I explianed what I consider a Valid reason in my preivious post.)
D)True, that is relative to the viewer, but, again, it is because I hold this movie in such high regard that I have a hard time seeing any flaws it may have. (I have not noticed any serious flaws as of yet, and I have seen the movie at least a few dozen times. I ahve it on DVD.)

Which PART of what Jeku said? The "Its boring" part? How can you consider a show you love so much boring. Or did you mean that others find it boring. Right now, you're making it sound like YOU think its boring, which just doesn't make any sense.

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@ionstream:
Some people DO consider shock value jokes funny. I don't find them particularly great, but I don't hate them either. Also, there were no "Dog-poop/hump jokes" in this movie. There were dog URINE jokes, and one scene where the dog was sitting on the toilet, but no actual poop jokes. And the dog doesn't hump anything. And yes, Even almighty did have a SLIGHTLY deeper plot than Brue almighty, but Bruce had better jokes.

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@ALucard94:
No, I am not comparing myself to an art collector or a movie critic/collector. Although, I AM a semi-professional video EDITOR, and I have a decent collection of my favorite DVDs. (I'm SEMI-professioanl becuase I still have a year of classes left before I get my degree.)
I wasn't trying to say that Bruce almighty is great on the same scale as the Mona Lisa, they're two totally different mediums, so you just can't make the comparison.
What I WAS saying is that art lovers hold the Mona lisa in very high regard in the same way I hold Bruce almighty in a high regard. In our views, they are the best of teir respective mediums.

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@Jeku:
Quote: "Did you notice that nobody on this forum has agreed with you about Bruce Almighty yet? That is a valid enough reason for me."


I really don't care if no one agrees with me, that doesn't necessarily make me wrong.
If one person says the sky is blue, and the rest of the world says its green with orange polkadots and red stripes, who is correct?

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Dude, use your edit button

Quote: "doesn't necessarily make me wrong."


What you don't understand is there is no "wrong" or "right" opinion about movies. There's no point arguing this.


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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 18:55 Edited at: 27th Jun 2008 19:00
Quote: "Which PART of what Jeku said? The "Its boring" part? How can you consider a show you love so much boring. Or did you mean that others find it boring. Right now, you're making it sound like YOU think its boring, which just doesn't make any sense."


What? I thought it would be obvious that I was referring to his rant on "valid". But yeah, it can be boring for some people I guess. So that's a valid reason for them. Not for me though since I find it quite exciting. But it's not like I can't understand why some may find it boring. They just find other things more interesting. And since I know that's a valid reason for them, I understand why they think it's bad.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2008 19:10 Edited at: 27th Jun 2008 19:12
Omega I'm not trying to argue this with you if that's what you think I am mate I just said my opinion and pointed out that comparison, as Jeku said, there is no right or wrong in opinions; everyone has their own and that's just that =o)
And why did you post like 5 posts instead of editing :S
And you can love a show and still think it's really boring, there are shows in Sweden here that are so boring it's funny, and for that I love them, so it does make sense doesn't it?

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Quote: "Some people DO consider shock value jokes funny."


Those people are wrong.

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No they are not "Wrong". They just have different opinions than you. Maybe you can't see how anyone could find shock jokes funny, just like I can't understand how people can find Bruce almighty un-funny. But I don't say the people who don't like Bruce almighty are wrong. I just say I don't see how they formed that opinion. Opinions are neither wrong nor right. Thats why they are opinions and not facts.

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I would bet my tongue that ionstream was kidding around. Altough, I presume he didn't write that joke without having an opinion that reflects the message. That's my analysis anyway.

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Yes it could have been a joke. Its hard to tell when someones joking when its just type, relative to whensomeone actually says it.

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Never take the interwebs seriously, even if your best friends IM's you saying your mom just died don't trust him! THE INTERWEBZ ARE EVILZ!

No I am NOT serious!

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lol, now THAT^ I can tell its a joke.

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Double post... Damn tab key!!

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Quote: "lol, now THAT^ I can tell its a joke"

wut???? dat wazz nowww jokz man, ij waz s´zeriouxx??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1+?!?!?!?!? i duntz nowz wut jo are tulking abut!

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Quote: "Those people are wrong."


Quote: "I would bet my tongue that ionstream was kidding around."


It was more like blunt opinion masquerading as a joke

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Quote: "I would bet my tongue that ionstream was kidding around."


Quote: "It was more like blunt opinion masquerading as a joke"


If you read the rest of my post, you would see that it was my theory as well.

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It was a joke, although but I don't believe that every movie can be considered good, like this one:



I can legitimately say that if you like this movie, you are wrong.

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Quote: "I just say I don't see how they formed that opinion. "


I watched the movie and didn't laugh. That's how I formed that opinion


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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 02:48
Yes it's simple:

A person experiences something, they interpret it and come out with a verdict. You probably do understand, but are reluctant to think so, you know people have different opinions and surely understand how everybody's mind works differently and that everybody is different, if you understand that, you understand why people don't like Jim Carey - you might find his talking out of his rear thing funny because it's a mockery to the person his talking to, others might think it's stupid because all he's doing is doing is pointing his butt in the air and talking, which isn't anything special.

"Experience never provides its judgments with true or strict universality; but only (through induction) with assumed and comparative universality." - Immanuel Kant
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 05:59
That was a nice wrap up lol

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 19:35
@Jeku:
What I don't understand is how you didn't laugh.

@Seppuku Arts:
I thought that the Ace ventura movies were okay. They're nowhere near as good as Bruce almighty, but I can watch them.

@Sid sinister:
I just wanted to give a quick response to said wrap up. I'm not trying to keep this topic perpetually alive, I'm just making sure I don't leave any loose ends.

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 21:59
Quote: "@Jeku:
What I don't understand is how you didn't laugh."


Because I didn't find it funny. All the "funny" parts were in the previews. Get over it


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Posted: 2nd Jul 2008 22:18
Quote: "What I don't understand is how you didn't laugh."

He didn't laugh because, as he isn't a robot, he has a personality, and therefor has his own opinion in things. As do you and I and everyone else that care enough to live
Well that or he actually is a robot and is planning on 3d modeling a world and then taking over that world because he can't do it in the real world. We will never know the evil plans of the JekuBot

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