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tha_rami
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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 23:07
Quote: "How so? Porn is made by people having sex."

The mentality that I believe is sent through porn is usually that the woman is considered some sort of lust-only object. This is wrong, by any means. It's cool for you if you like that, but that's not something that should ever reach normal media.

Fictional violence is different, I'm sure you all love sexual oriented stuff more than violence, but that doesn't mean pornography should be allowed more than violence is. We're talking about children here, children should never be put in contact with.


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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 23:08
Ah, so that's what happened (easter egg wise).

@Jeku
I agree. IMO though, if it's not illegal then there's nothing wrong with it, but like you said there's no point in arguing that, but IMO it's just preference.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 02:00
Alright, really. You guys are beginning to defeat the purpose of removing Mike's game from the competition

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 02:16
TGC were in their right to remove his game. But about the sex vs. violence in video games thing:

Neither should be in games that aren't M or A. Should kids get those games with parental permission? Sure. It's up to the parents. But, I think it's wrong to say that violence is worse than sex in games, and this is why.

While sex is not always bad (while violence is, save most instances of war), it is more likely to occur. A 15 year-old gamer is less likely to go on a killing spree than have sex with every girl he dates, hence why they should be treated equally in games.

That's just my opinion.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 02:17


Yes, perhaALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOCAKE!


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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 02:25
Awww what happened to the trusty frog?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 02:30
hypnocake is tastier than hypnotoad.


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Quote: "hypnocake is tastier than hypnotoad."


I beg to differ. His legs were delicious.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 22:45
This thread has gone off completely off topic, but it's cool - i'm learning a lot about you guys. I personally don't see that there's anything wrong with sex. I believe that whatever consenting adults do together in private, and whatever porn they watch, provided it is made by consenting adults, is AOK. One of the things that really REALLY gets my goat is the daily mail, nulabour, moral minority et al saying that porn is to blame for society's ills, and therefore we need to be "protected", and "ban this sick filth" etc. The same thing goes for violent videogames. I really feel passionately about this kind of thing. I read Melonfarmers pretty much every day. This kind of thing is what decides how i vote in elections and stuff.

The government figures it's easier to demonise harmless "perverts" committing victimless crimes, than to actually catch really dangerous criminals. It's ridiculous.

There is no proof that people play games or watch porn then go out and commit crimes. If anything, it's more likely that the opposite is true. Also, is it really anyone's right to say that ugly people who can't get any in real life, should be restricted to using only their imaginations? Why can't they look at dirty pictures too?

I also really don't see the problem in "objectifying" men or women or whatever, whatever that means. What is objectifying? Finding someone aesthetically pleasing? I'd like ladies to look at me and think "he's so hot", or whatever. I can still be a sentient being at the same time. The two aren't mutully exclusive.

I understand that the game broke the compo/forum rules, and was banned accordingly, so that's all fine and good though. I understand age restrictions on things, but for some things to be denied any age classification at all is wrong.

Wow i can talk a lot.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2008 23:46
Three cheers for boobies!

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 01:38
Three cheers for penises!

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If you want to make adult games - that's fine. Post them on an adult Web site. When you post them on a general gaming site aimed at all ages, and especially when porn is hidden in a game, it shows a level of immaturity in my opinion.
Its the same thing if you released a family orientated puzzle game and then hid images of genocide inside. Its not acceptable and begs the question 'why?'


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Quote: "Three cheers for penises!"


For once, I don't agree with Benjamin.

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Benjamin
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You have a problem with penises?

bitJericho
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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 02:03
Quote: "Its not acceptable and begs the question 'why?'"


http://begthequestion.info/

You've used "begs the question" incorrectly.

Anyways, porn is awesome because it shows naked people.


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@Benjamin
I'd ask what you mean by that but I'm afraid I'd be n00b slapped with you. :/

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 02:57
Quote: "Three cheers for penises!"


Whatever man.

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Quote: "You've used "begs the question" incorrectly."

No, I meant it as in 'it begs the question to be asked' or alternatively 'it prompts for the question to be asked'. I stick by that... why would someone choose to hide something potentially offensive inside a game without warning people? Because they find it funny? Because it makes them feel clever to stick something in that the player is unaware of? Either way, its unprofessional and seems to me like schoolboy humour.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 03:38
Quote: "Whatever man."


I second that.

This thread is a perfect example of... bad geek culture discussion.



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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 03:40 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 03:42
Ok, so, that's not the proper phrasing. If you read the site above, they suggest saying "begs for the question", but as you said it, it made no sense.

To quote another example from the site linked above, it'd be like saying "the die is cast" and meaning "dying".

I'm right because I'm correct on it.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 03:45 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 03:55
That site is wrong, in my opinion - or more accurately it is dealing with the incorrectly used phrase 'beg the question' rather than 'begs the question'. Even then, the guy behind the site is a Web designer from the Philippines who admits the site is done as 'tongue in cheek'. I am pretty sure my English is correct

Edit: Although prescriptivists would argue it should have a 'for' in there ('begs for the question to be asked') its still an accepted and common phrase.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 05:46
Quote: "Then his father was a liar. Nobody commits suicide because they like pron."
Jerico2day that is one of the most general comments I've ever heard! You've like actually got proof of that lol?


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 08:16
Meh, take it or leave it. I'd say more, but I think that specific topic should be ended.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 08:16 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 08:17
Quote: "There is no proof that people play games or watch porn then go out and commit crimes. If anything, it's more likely that the opposite is true. Also, is it really anyone's right to say that ugly people who can't get any in real life, should be restricted to using only their imaginations? Why can't they look at dirty pictures too?"

Because they're dirty. Because CHILDREN should not be exposed to that. What do you prefer? Kids of 9 year old playing 'Dirty backdoor ***** 9' or playing 'GI Joe?'


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bitJericho
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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 08:18 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 08:26
Quote: "Because they're dirty. Because CHILDREN should not be exposed to that. What do you prefer? Kids of 9 year old playing 'Dirty backdoor ***** 9' or playing 'GI Joe?'"


Most nine year olds wouldn't want to play dirty backdoor **** 9. Except for a short period of inquisitiveness.

Show me the proof that such a game would damage them for life anyway?

Added to that, what's the parent doing allowing their kid to play such a game. Gamestores aren't the parents. Further, why would a gamestore sell a game to a 9yo? You don't need to check an id to determine whether someone should be allowed to buy it.

If a grown teen kid came in and wanted to buy it. Regardless of official age, I'd almost certainly sell such a game to them. If I felt they weren't mature enough to handle it, I'd tell em to gtfo. I may even question them on it to determine to sell it to em. "you really old enough to be playing something like this?"

I don't think it's necessary to card anybody for any type of sexual game. It's human nature, and we should all be responsible. Why would a store stock a rape simulator? Such a disgusting game wouldn't be stocked in my store.

So the owner's in it for the money, regardless of moral duty? Fine. He can sell to minors all he wants. Where's the parents in this situation?

Quote: "When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere. The best thing about space travel is that it made it possible to go elsewhere.
Robert A. Heinlein"


I don't think he's far off the mark. Too many other people deciding how I live my personal life.


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People rarely say "yeah, what I do is wrong and I probably shouldn't do it" They just try and justify the hell out of it, rather than accepting that maybe they don't have all the answers.

Quote: "Too many other people deciding how I live my personal life."


Some people are right and you are wrong.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 09:01 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 09:03
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You're right, I should start just living my life the way everyone else thinks I should, because everyone else knows better than I.


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Quote: "Added to that, what's the parent doing allowing their kid to play such a game. Gamestores aren't the parents. Further, why would a gamestore sell a game to a 9yo? You don't need to check an id to determine whether someone should be allowed to buy it.

If a grown teen kid came in and wanted to buy it. Regardless of official age, I'd almost certainly sell such a game to them. If I felt they weren't mature enough to handle it, I'd tell em to gtfo. I may even question them on it to determine to sell it to em. "you really old enough to be playing something like this?""

If you were in my store, you'd be fired.

Quote: "You're right, I should start just living my life the way everyone else thinks I should, because everyone else knows better than I."

Live however you want, within the set rules and laws. It's like programming.


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Quote: "Live however you want, within the set rules and laws. It's like programming."


Relating life to programming..That's something!!Heheh..

I saw an artwork about regret by Inel in his "Delusion" album thingy in DeviantArt.

I think he regreted the posting the porn thingy on his game.

Anyways, the guy is cool and amazing when it comes to making games.

All hail Inel!
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Posted: 30th Sep 2008 15:38 Edited at: 30th Sep 2008 15:39
Quote: "Because they're dirty. Because CHILDREN should not be exposed to that. What do you prefer? Kids of 9 year old playing 'Dirty backdoor ***** 9' or playing 'GI Joe?'"


I'm not sure what you're saying really. Are you saying that porn should be banned totally because minors might see/play it? If so then i totally disagree. If however you are saying that there should be age restrictions on things, then that is totally reasonable. For instance, i think it just and reasonable that there be a restriction on "adult content" in game posted on this "family" website.

However, I don't see anything wrong with adults looking at or playing porn. Sure you could argue that an inventive kid might find his/her dad/mum's dirty mags, but you could also argue that kids might steal a car which they aren't old enough to drive, and mow down a bunch of people. It's other people's responsibility not to let, or to decide when to let their kids drive cars, drink alchohol, stay up past the watershed and watch movies with sex and/or violence in etc. You can't ban all these things. That would be insane.

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We're all under-informed, overly-opinionated perverts. That's what this thread proves. I love Apollo.
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No, Mr Tank, I agree with you - I was talking about age restrictions, not banning things in total. We can expect adult people to be sort of responsible.


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Quote: "I'm not sure what you're saying really. Are you saying that porn should be banned totally because minors might see/play it? If so then i totally disagree. If however you are saying that there should be age restrictions on things, then that is totally reasonable. For instance, i think it just and reasonable that there be a restriction on "adult content" in game posted on this "family" website."


I think that's what he's saying. There are things that we should put age limits on. Adults? It's their choice. But kids shouldn't be able to get their hands on it.

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Quote: "Further, why would a gamestore sell a game to a 9yo?"

I think a big flaw there is when its downloadable. Especially if its downloadable from a non-adult orientated Web site.
Quote: "If a grown teen kid came in and wanted to buy it. Regardless of official age, I'd almost certainly sell such a game to them. If I felt they weren't mature enough to handle it, I'd tell em to gtfo...
...I don't think it's necessary to card anybody for any type of sexual game."

You can tell how mentally and sexually mature someone is with a few seconds of dialogue?! That's impressive but a little unbelievable. Besides, who are you to decide who is mature enough or not? That's why there is an age rating system, so you don't have to do a psychological profile on everyone through the door.

Young people are curious about sex and want to learn about it, but most are too embarrassed to ask an adult. They prefer to try and find out for themselves. If they view the wrong type of material (e.g. regarding the treatment of women) they may think what they see is normal behaviour. This can lead to all sorts of problems, for example if their body parts differ to those on the screen, they can't perform the same acrobatics, or in the future they discover their partner is not willing or able to perform those acts.
Quote: "Why would a store stock a rape simulator? Such a disgusting game wouldn't be stocked in my store."

And what if a rape simulator was hidden in an innocent looking game? If the unlocking details were published all over the net a few weeks after you had sold the game to thousands of children, how would you feel? Angry at the developer I would hope.


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I think he put that easter egg in there for the same purpose anybody else would put an easter egg in their game. Yes, bad decision, but think of it as some concept art or something...
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Quote: "how would you feel? Angry at the developer I would hope."


I'd lol.


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So someone explain to me what was in the game that was bad?
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Quote: "So someone explain to me what was in the game that was bad? "


It's already been mentioned several times in this thread alone. No need to reiterate.


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It seems Inel is making money by producing hentai viewers for a hentai site.
You can check what he's up to if you visit his blog. On the other hand, maybe you shouldn't if you are offended by female genitalia and other nudity. However it is quiet obvious that he's not only doing it for the moneys sake, but is actually quiet fond of it himself.
But that's his business and we shouldn't judge him for that.
Rules are rules, and the forum rules indicate that nudity and other explicit things are not allowed. Even if you should ask a thousand times on the forums. Your answer is already there.
Now he deserve the slap for not following those rules, but got a PC from the contest none the less. So what's there to complain about ?
Just let it be, maybe one day he'll be back with a game project to show off.

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Quote: "Young people are curious about sex and want to learn about it,"


I still think I was brought by the stork.
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You mean some people don't?

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Quote: "You mean some people don't?"


Yeah some guy called Darwin and the others believe in some theory where people copulate and then get impregnated and real sci-fi stuff. Stupid nerds. If you want true knowledge, all you people out there, come to Grandma Industries and Mamaji4 Associates.
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Well, somebody has to make hentai...
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Quote: "It seems Inel is making money by producing hentai viewers for a hentai site."


Wow. That's sort of sad, to be honest. I don't mean any offense, but a job in the animated pr0n industry? Tish, tish.

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Quote: "Wow. That's sort of sad, to be honest. I don't mean any offense, but a job in the animated pr0n industry? Tish, tish."


A job in the animated pr0n industry probably makes boatloads more than your average animation gig. Sad but true, people like their pr0n.


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Quote: "It seems Inel is making money by producing hentai viewers for a hentai site."

Wasn't he doing it just for fun?

Make games, not war.

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Quote: "Wow. That's sort of sad, to be honest. I don't mean any offense, but a job in the animated pr0n industry? Tish, tish. "

Sad relative to what? Developing moon rockets? Curing cancer? Few jobs really contribute to mankind that positively. The world needs entertainment. I think producing porn is honourable in a way because it erodes social taboos and that. The world still is full of censorious prudes who seek to curtail other peoples freedoms. The solution is more porn.

Anyway, it's more honourable than say, a traffic warden.

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Quote: "Sad relative to what? Developing moon rockets? Curing cancer? Few jobs really contribute to mankind that positively. The world needs entertainment. I think producing porn is honourable in a way because it erodes social taboos and that. The world still is full of censorious prudes who seek to curtail other peoples freedoms. The solution is more porn."


I was sort of joking. :/

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