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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:08
So the long anticipated Fallout 3 was released in the US today, and apparently it doesn't disappoint. It has a 92 average on Metacritic with 4 100's and the lowest score is an 80. I haven't got it yet, but has anyone else got it? What do you think? Does it live up to expectations?


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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:13
Yes, it does. Use VATS on quick enemies, like mutated friggin' headcrabish rats.


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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:17
I don't like that they changed the game systems, shame that the old BS version was canceled. Don't get me wrong, the game might be kick-ass even if it isn't Fallout like I remember it.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:22
The battle system was the one thing I didn't like about the older Fallouts. I loved the humour and the style. Just dislike heavily RPG battle systems.

If I had anything capable of playing it, I'd buy it.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:27
I really liked the old tactical way you combat the enemies. Making up a complex strategy in this third part seems a little harder than in the old ones. I like smooth slow-paced battles, not fast heartbeating actions, nono. ^^
I'm going to use VATS as much as I can because of this. Just run around in circles until you regain the AP.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 00:55
It looks awesome, but I'm still neck deep in Oblivion after about 18 months of solid questing and dungeon crawling.



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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 01:01
Quote: "It looks awesome, but I'm still neck deep in Oblivion after about 18 months of solid questing and dungeon crawling."

I hope they do another elder scrolls, i think thats bethesd's strongest point, but ive never played any fallout game so i cant judge. I just prefer the medieval scene, to guns (Less tatics/stratagey involved).
Will probably try this game tho, like do with all.

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Quote: "I just prefer the medieval scene, to guns (Less tatics/stratagey involved)."


I'm exact opposite--- I refuse to play anything fantasy-based with magic, spells, etc. Just no inspiration there as everyone seems to rip everyone else off. Guns are much more satisfying


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Quote: "I'm exact opposite--- I refuse to play anything fantasy-based with magic, spells, etc. Just no inspiration there as everyone seems to rip everyone else off. Guns are much more satisfying"

Yeah, i mean dont get me wrong, i love some shooters, but i just get much more satisfaction from decapitating someones head from skillfull sword usage(dark messiah hehe, or deadly reflex for oblivion), than watch someone fall down. Its a matter of taste really.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 11:27
Lol....

I'm still playing through most of the side missions on TES:IV as well, rumour on the grapevine is that they're already working on TES:V, by which time I will have probably exploded with anticipation...

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Awesome! I hope they improve the combat tho, with decaptiation (without having to have deadly reflex)

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 13:04
The thing with RPG's is they always fall into 3 or 4 neat little cliches, until now of course as Fallout3 seems to be the different RPG a lot of people have been waiting for. But when you get an RPG there's a 99% chance that it'll either be Tolkien inspired/ripped fantasy or oriental mythology. Personally I'm a little tired of fantasy too, but Jeku, play Fable2 - it's fantasy but has so much British humour and a great plot that it's kinda ok for it to rip off Tolkien. If Terry Pratchett could envisage the best Discworld game ever, he'd probably come up with something a lot like Fable2.

The thing with Fallout3 is it seems like it panders to all us older geeks who remember green or amber text displays, buttons that are actually worn out through use, not bad design. It's like the computer in the Swan hatch on LOST, I wish they still made keyboards that click like that. When playing on a 360 Oblivion can be a bit of a pain to remember how it all works, it's a little too complex I think, F3's interface looks very comfortable in comparison.

Anyhoo, 360 owners have been spoilt in the last week with 2 awesome games at once and a third on the way - I actually don't have enough time to play them as much as I'd want, if there was ever a time to get some cool new 360 games it's now.


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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 15:23
Quote: "rumour on the grapevine is that they're already working on TES:V, by which time I will have probably exploded with anticipation...
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Yeah, but I hope.. I hope.. That they remake the first one though which had every place in all of Tamriel.


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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 15:58
@Jeku, have you ever played Mount and Blade? curious because it is in the medieval setting, but there's no magic, it's a lot like being part of medieval society. Historicaly based (even if on a made up land), not Tolkien. And it makes most rpg combat systems look horribly generic and repetitive in comparison, I think.

I have a few friends planning to get Fallout 3, I'll have to see how it is then.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 16:15
From trailers and such, it looks like they took the old Fallout setting and atmosphere and put it into an Oblivion-esque perspective. Which is as close to my definition of "Godly" as any game is likely to get.

One of my major bugbears in Fallout 1 was that it had real problems revealing what was hidden behind a wall. Even if your character could see what was behind the wall, you had to actually move him right up to it to be able to see through the wall. First person fixes this, obviously, so I'm happy.

Plus they kept Bloody Mess!

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 16:38
Ok i installed FO3 about 2 hours ago, and basicly... The introduction is definatly intreguing, but then you leave the bunker(Equivilent of the sewers in oblivion) and idk, the landscape feel "flat". So far i would rate it about 7. I wouldnt say its all its hyped to be, but its a good entertainer. I will continue to play it, and update my score as i go along.

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Posted: 29th Oct 2008 19:44
Mount & Blade - I actually bought that one. Had a blast with it exactly because it feels real and complete, you can't imagine my joy when I got my own banner and village! - sad it doesn't run on an EEE-PC, though.

Fallout 3 (L).


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Quote: "Ok i installed FO3 about 2 hours ago, and basicly... The introduction is definatly intreguing, but then you leave the bunker(Equivilent of the sewers in oblivion) and idk, the landscape feel "flat". So far i would rate it about 7. I wouldnt say its all its hyped to be, but its a good entertainer. I will continue to play it, and update my score as i go along."

Have you discovered all of the map yet? As oblivion was like this, but as Oblivion is a game based in a time like the medieval times, it would be more full of mountains and stuff where you got to remember with Fallout 3 is, is that it is cities of-which has been blown down.


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Quote: "with Fallout 3 is, is that it is cities of-which has been blown down."

Yes, tho i think it would have been a much better game if it was an undamaged land, with guns. But then it would not be fallout anything lol. Dont get me wrong, i like the game, im quite into it, but its not all its hyped to be, and i think the choice of setting could have been picked better.

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Quote: "@Jeku, have you ever played Mount and Blade?"


No, but thanks for the recommendation--- I'll look it up!


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Quote: "and i think the choice of setting could have been picked better."


How? The world is in ruins, it's total wasteland all over the US. It's kinda hard to find an untouched place in the Fallout universe. Besides, if they chosed another setting, it would be less Fallout as it already is and thats bad.

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I goes back to what I was saying about Fallout3 appealing to a certain age group . In the 80's, a lot of movies were about urban decay, we had films like Bladerunner, Mad Max, Aliens and Terminator dominating the cinema, and because using real buildings that look shabby is the cheapest way to do urban decay, we saw a lot of wrecked buildings and automatically assume that the future should look like that. We were young, it will be no different in 20 years time when the future should look like The Matrix, Fifth Element, maybe even Water World (ok NOT Water World!).
Fallout panders to all our ideas about how the future could look based on these 80's movies, with some classic 60's B-movies included too I think for flavor. It will be dark, there will be desert, the buildings will all be wrecked, and the natives will be mostly hostile.

Really I think the setting and visuals are spot on for what I personally would expect from a post-apocalyptic future, based on what I've seen. Whether you like the setting or think it's OTT, or just plain dull is another matter altogether. If they made the game look more like Fifth Element, then for one thing it wouldn't be Fallout, it would be Mass Effect - but my point is that I think more people would be disappointed if the setting was any different.


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Hmm, im now quite into fallout 3, but i still seem to prefer oblivion. I wish there was more content for it

Fallout 3's combat system (V.A.T.S) makes combat too easy for my liking, theres no longer much feel of achivement when you kill someone, because the computer is basicly doing it all for you. Also, the skill/atribute system seems to be dummed down, i assume to cope for a larger audience.

Still i find this game to be quite entertaining, dispite these small things.

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I finally played it today, and it is amazing, one of my new favorite games. I give it 98/100, with my only complaint being that you can't sprint and that the AI pathfinding is sometimes a bit stupid and gets stuck on things.


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Posted: 2nd Nov 2008 11:17
I've just started playing this and I think it is an incredible game but a fairly average Fallout Game...

I loved Fallout 1 & 2 (and even tactics) and while Bethesda has made a great game it doesn't feel like Fallout... It, to me, just feels like a futuristic update to Oblivion, which I don't think is a bad thing just not a great thing... The writing in particular is nowhere near the standard set in 1 & 2... While the decisions you make do have consequences in the game I don't think they affect the game as much as they did in the original 2 games...

Quote: "Fallout 3's combat system (V.A.T.S) makes combat too easy for my liking"


You don't have to use the VATS system

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Quote: "You don't have to use the VATS system"

Indeed, but then the combat is just even more boring

I like the game, but i dont think it deserves the insanely high scores it receives. Obviously this is mostly opinionated, but are reviews not supposed to show the pros and cons of a game? Most of the game video reviews, just show the good side of fallout 3.... For example they manage to mention the good things:
1. Open ended gameplay, like that of oblivion....
2. Good rpg elements....
3. The V.A.T.S system....
4. Gives the impression that there is some awesome weaponry....

But they "forget" everything else such as
1. ...But the open world, is dull, which creates no incentive for whole world exploration. For example, most of the stores etc to explore, i only bother with if its on the way to a mission i cant quick travel too. Where as in oblivion, there is usualy a great momnument, or interesting structure where the place is.
2. ...But its been dumbed down since elder scrolls, for the "casual gamer".
3. ...But gets old after the first few uses, and makes the game too easy, because the "AP"(energy) bar recharges way too quickly. And for hardcore gamers, like me, who would rather shoot in the clasic fps style (i.e actualy aim), the gameplay is clunky. I understand its not supposed to be a shooter, but they should mention this in the reviews, which they dont in most.
4. ...But there is actualy only one "Awesome" weapon... The fat man, the other weapons have been seen in other games and have been done a lot better.

While me saying its overated, is an opinion, and of course other people are allowed to think otherwise, the fact that nearly all of the reviews tend to "forget" the bad points, is quite anoyying.

I will say once again, its a good game, but its more of an 7.5 - 8, than the 9.6 ign gives it.

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The game is fantastic, not as big as oblivion but far more indepth which I think is better. Unfortunately it has been dumbed down quite a bit, story and gameplay wise compared to the other fallout games but im not gonna judge it based on that.

Hopefully when the mod tools come out (if they come out) There will be a large amount of content added to it.
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I've already finished it 2 times in 3 days , and i love it! Fallout 3 is probably the best game i've ever played!

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Quote: "I've already finished it 2 times in 3 days , and i love it! Fallout 3 is probably the best game i've ever played!"

By that i assume you mean the main quest, because theres no way you did every single quest, in 3 days Twice!

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Leap of Faith: Go to Tenpenny (is that how it's spelt...) Tower and go outside on the balcony. If you look down on one of the side your see a guard standing by some ruins firing at the wall for some unknown reason. Equip the baseball bat and jump off the balcony just above the guard and move around abit until you coming down on top of him. Try to get as close as possible and activate the VATS, just hit once and accept. Bingo, you’re now standing on the ground about to miss the guard with a baseball bat and that life threatening 150 ft fall you just took has vanished into thin air.

Anyone else found stuff like this?

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Morrowind has a similar bug; jump off a large height into water such as off Vivec. Then, without touching dry land, cast water walking. You will die instantly as if you had landed on concrete.

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Found a dead chinese soldier saying "bajsa bajsa" in the radio, that was kinda funny. Especially if you are swedish talking. ^^

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Why, what does it mean?

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Got this game from a friend!

It just kicks ass!

I am at the part where you are supposed to give the VIP slaves to the slave traders.

Really good game, buy it!


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Quote: "Tolkien inspired/ripped fantasy or oriental mythology"

Yeah what's with that? Why can't anyone make a straight medieval game without throwing in a few dragons, witches and the odd vampire?

I've heard loads of good things about Fallout 3 so I'll be giving it a go soon.

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Quote: "Yeah what's with that? Why can't anyone make a straight medieval game without throwing in a few dragons, witches and the odd vampire?"

Lol i agree. As awesome as oblivion is, i think it would have been so much better, if it concerntrated on fluent combat(like that in dark messiah), with the same oblivion rpg aspects, with no magic, or crap like that. That would be so awesome.

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I hate the day/night cycles. I've only played Oblivion about as far as the first catacombs section, just before stepping outside. I love Fallout 3 but I hate waiting for the night to end so I can get into a store or someone's house--- actually I guess I can just sleep on a random bed, that might work

I'm loving the story so far, and the VATS system is great because the "shooter" is not as great as, say, Gears, so it's nice to auto-aim with some dice rolling thrown in there for missing.


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Quote: "I hate the day/night cycles. I've only played Oblivion about as far as the first catacombs section, just before stepping outside. I love Fallout 3 but I hate waiting for the night to end so I can get into a store or someone's house--- actually I guess I can just sleep on a random bed, that might work

I'm loving the story so far, and the VATS system is great because the "shooter" is not as great as, say, Gears, so it's nice to auto-aim with some dice rolling thrown in there for missing."

Well on PC if you press T, you can wait for a number of game hours, but in reality it takes seconds.

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Quote: "but I hate waiting for the night to end"


Why don't you just skip to a later time, don't know the name for this but on the PC you just press 'T', set how many hours you want to skip then accept. Don't know what it is for the consoles but I guess it's there somewhere.

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Hehe, that's pretty amusing if you can speak Swedish.


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Quote: "Why don't you just skip to a later time, don't know the name for this but on the PC you just press 'T', set how many hours you want to skip then accept. Don't know what it is for the consoles but I guess it's there somewhere."

You can wait with SELECT on PS3.
To be honest Oblivion is a bit much for me - maybe I'm not so hardcore after all - having to learn all that rubbish just to get going and the late nights obsessing over gaining "just one more" skill point have turned me off this game, it's more addictive than enjoyable.
I'd still give it a 9 out of 10 and no way am I trading it in until I've completed it, but for now I will just let it rest in a box and salute it as I push it under my bed, we will meet again Oblivion...

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Quote: "Well on PC if you press T, you can wait for a number of game hours, but in reality it takes seconds."


Ahhhhh thanks for that

Also it seems everyone I trade with gives me just 50% or 60% value on my goods. Are there any shops you know of that give decent cap rates? I'm having to sustain myself by robbing people's houses and stealing caps.

Also, whenever I steal stuff it tells me my karma is going down. Does that actually affect my game in a negative way?

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I'm thinking of becoming the silent serial killer type and slowly killing all the population--- I wonder if that's possible?


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Quote: "Also it seems everyone I trade with gives me just 50% or 60% value on my goods. Are there any shops you know of that give decent cap rates? I'm having to sustain myself by robbing people's houses and stealing caps."


In Oblivion? I'm not sure what the key is, but it's called haggling. Try looking it up, if a person likes you enough you can push it quite high.....

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well i have a Question, how is the battle sys? is it rly turn based? i think iam gonna try it out anyway

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It's turn-based if you want--- you can enter VATS.


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Quote: "Also, whenever I steal stuff it tells me my karma is going down. Does that actually affect my game in a negative way?"


It depends... certain people won't join you if your karma is too low but other people will join you... I think it can also affect the game in other ways but I haven't played enough to work out what yet...

But your level of karma will have an effect on the game in some way...

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Oh well, it's too fun to steal things from people when they're not looking


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For me, I don't use caps to trade. I offer useless junk and try getting the cost as low as possible. "Three chickens for one Brahmin!"

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btw, 'bajs' meens 'poo' in swedish. For all that wonders.

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2008 01:28 Edited at: 3rd Nov 2008 01:31
Quote: "Oh well, it's too fun to steal things from people when they're not looking"


I like to pickpocket people...

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Posted: 3rd Nov 2008 13:22
Quote: "jump off a large height into water such as off Vivec. Then, without touching dry land, cast water walking. You will die instantly as if you had landed on concrete."


That kinda makes sense to me - you can't expect to walk on water without changing the laws of gravity and physics. If the spell causes the water to become solid, or the character to treat water as a solid surface then dying is a perfectly acceptable outcome to a fall onto it from height. If you want to splash into water then you can't walk on it - unless you get the 'magic floating shoes of biblical disappointment'. Game developers rely on water saving us all the time, probably too much - water can certainly kill you if you hit it at enough velocity, your body is going from a high to a low velocity which is what does the damage, like being too close to an explosion, you don't have to be hit by anything but the force of the blast. I mean our insides are barely held together with sticky tape, we were never designed to take that sort of treatment .

On the 360, theres a way to drop an arrow in mid air, and actually jump onto the thing!, never tries going to awkward places with that as it is quite tedious to stand right on the arrow. There's always been a couple of issues with the physics in Oblivion, I mean I'd love to see the glass object break when you throw them or hit them. Have things changed very much with Fallout3?


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