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Rampage
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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 05:14 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 05:50
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Hey there, I'm getting a new PC VERY soon, and have the choice between two PC's, they both have an advantage over the other, so I would like for someone to help me decide whats best, thanks!

First PC:
CPU Speed: 9.6 GHz


Memory: 8 GB


Hard drive: 750 GB (plus I have a 500gb external so this isn't an issue.)

Processor: Intel Core Quad 2

Graphics Card: Nvidia Geforce 9800gt
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I can get this comp for $2350

Second PC:
CPU Speed: 9.6 GHz

Memory: 6 GB

Hard drive: 999 GB (once again I have a 500gb External aswell)
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-Intel Quad Core Q6600 8M Cache 1066FSB
Graphics Card: Nvidia Geforce 9600gt SLI x 2 (two cards)

I can get this comp for $2460

So as you can see, they both come with pretty good deals. And both of them come with a 22 inch LCD Screen, and they are both brand new.
So could someone give me their advice? Thanks loads.




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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 05:31 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 05:33
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umm... 9.6ghz processors eh? those are FAST!!

I've never heard of a 9.6ghz processor before

#1 sounds better, I think. If you don't need the HDD space anyway.


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Yeah, thanks, the main thing is that, would TWO 9600gt SLI's, be better than just one 9800gt? Plus that comes with 8gb ram whilst the more expensive ones come with 6gb. Anyone else wanna give advice? I have the 16th of November to buy it.

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oooooohhhhhh, i didn't notice the dual video cards...

I don't know :/ I haven't ever really gotten into the whole SLI stuff. I would ASSUME that it's better. And 8gigs I don't think will make a huge difference from 6, unless you're doing a LOT at once.


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OK, now I'm stuck I'll see what others have to say, thanks JoelJ!

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Quote: "I've never heard of a 9.6ghz processor before"

That might be because they don't exist. I'm assuming someone's added up the clock speed of all the cores.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 06:25 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 06:26
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Quote: "That might be because they don't exist. I'm assuming someone's added up the clock speed of all the cores."

Yeah that's probably it
I'm leaning towards the 9800 a little more at the moment, but two 9600gt sli's ... ARGH!

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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 06:44
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Quote: "9600gt sli's"


Get that one and send me a card.....

haha j/k


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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 07:16 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 07:30
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Haha, Punk, Xtinction is one of the REASONS I'm getting a new comp, but of course there are others

Anyway, what comp would someone say, get the best performance out of games, would the 6gb ram, or 8gb ram have an effect over this? Thanks!

EDIT: Heres a pic of ...er...How good the 9600gt SLI is compared to other cards, not against the 9800 though...


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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 07:31 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 07:33
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Quote: "I'm assuming someone's added up the clock speed of all the cores."


If they did, there not right in the head. Two cores running at 2.0 GHz doesn't make the processor run at 4.0 GHz, it just share the work load if its optimized to take advantage of multiple-cores and believe me, there's a big difference between speed and sharing work load, the latter wins outright.

As for the PC's, 6-8 GB of RAM is ridicules, 4 is enough, seeing that it's a 64 bit processor and 64 bit OS, you can use the complete RAM capacity by tweaking the BIOS (Remap Memory Hole Above 4G or PCI MMIO remapping), but still, bit overkill don't you think, unless your looking at this a buy now and don't have to worry about for awhile option, I would still say it's overkill.

Now the graphic cards, looking at both systems and there price tags you'd expect more, for some reason they went with a high end mid range card. Now in a system like this you'd expect a 9800 GTX+ to GTX 280, or even a 9800 GX2 or ATI HD 4870 X2 (fastest card in the world), but oddly they haven't.

It looks to me that either of theses aren't worth it, they are overpriced, you would save a ton of money building one from scratch and your be able to get a much better setup that lasts.

Edit: I can't believe those results are accurate.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 07:47
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YA! Geforce 8800GTX!!! The one card i can barely afford!


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Quote: "That might be because they don't exist. I'm assuming someone's added up the clock speed of all the cores."

yes... I know.


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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 07:54 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 07:58
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Be aware that the price is in New Zealand dollars,over here this is an incredibly good deal, in the stores, it would cost over 5500 bucks! Once again, New Zealand dollars.
Heres another other on the 9800 page ...
Quote: ">>SPECIAL OFFER - DOWNGRADE THE HARD DRIVE TO 500GB AND THE RAM TO 6GB AND I WILL UPGRADE THE GRAPHICS CARD TO THE ATI HD 4870 512MB!"

Which is basically just DirectX 10.1 with a fancy new shader model 4.1 haha. But still? That is a KICK ___ deal in NZ.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2008 08:14 Edited at: 11th Nov 2008 08:14
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I'd say go with the second one from looking at the dual video cards, the RAM difference will barely even be noticeable. But I know barely anything about this stuff so my opinion probably doesn't matter too much.


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New Zealand sorry, thats ok then I guess (not to sure of NZ prices, but I believe in your judgement), the 4870 512MB (GDDR5) is very similar to an super overclocked 9800 GTX (XFX black edition for instances) but better because of the new memory and higher clock speed, so i'd say thats a better option.

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Quote: "New Zealand sorry, thats ok then I guess (not to sure of NZ prices, but I believe in your judgement), the 4870 512MB (GDDR5) is very similar to an super overclocked 9800 GTX (XFX black edition for instances) but better because of the new memory and higher clock speed, so i'd say thats a better option."

Alright, thanks, I think I might do that, or just buy a 9800gx2 and duel it with the GT God I love pay day

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Wait where are you working currently Max?


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I always do small jobs for people, go on msn

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Those are two amazing deals man... How on earth can you get those components so cheap?
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Quote: "9800gx2 and duel it with the GT"


Woow slow down, you can't join to different nVidia cards, only ATI card have this feature(to an extent). As for the 9800 GX2, you better have a large case cause that thing is hugh, clunky and gets hot as hell though with good cooling it should be fine. I have to say this isn't a card i'd recomend, it has a few issues which is odd for being two 8800 GTS pared together with a slower clock speed. As soon as you turn up the resoulution and chuck AA on the framerate drop dramatically, more than you'd expect. In some case it only slightly ahead of the 8800 Ultra for reasons unknown(something to do with memory usage), but thats only at high resolution with everything on.

In most tests the ATI HD 4870 is a much better card and thats only the single core version, if you found the 4870 X2 then your laughing.

A quote that sums it up nicely:
Quote: "In short, the Radeon HD 4870 X2 is the newest and fastest 3D card of the moment—25% better on average than the GeForce GTX 280 and up to 51% at the highest resolutions. And if you’re hoping for something in the near future with lower energy consumption, less noise, or a lower price, we’d recommend you not hold your breath. "


I'd say the same, I do like nVidia cards but ATI has won the round this time. The 4870 (single core) is better than the GTX 260, very similar in terms of performance as the 9800 GX2 and is far cheaper, the 4870 X2 is alot better than every card and is about the same price as the GTX 280.

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Quote: "Those are two amazing deals man... How on earth can you get those components so cheap? "

I know some people...that and one of my best mates dads owns Harvey Norman (like the best computer store in New Zealand) and then I am buying it off Trade Me, which is kinda like a new zealand ebay, over here, in stores, that 9800 rig would be over $5000, so I would say its a good deal
@Sasuke, thanks again for the advice, I'm not a genious when it comes with new computers and/or graphics cards, having lived off a Radeon 9250 with 512mb ram for last 5 years And don't get me started with what I had before that...But luckly I got my x1300 laptop right here, (I know that it isn't good, buts its much better)
Right...I got some thinking to do!

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Seems pretty overpriced to me, Just save yourself loads and get this PC http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4251582&Sku=Z27-10002 or one of the other fine specimens on tigerdirect, or better yet get a barebone and build your pc.


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Quote: "Seems pretty overpriced to me, Just save yourself loads and get this PC http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4251582&Sku=Z27-10002 or one of the other fine specimens on tigerdirect, or better yet get a barebone and build your pc."

Its nearly 3000 bucks cheaper than what they sell in retail stores...Plus New Zealand dollars, I probably wouldn't buy it if that was american bucks anyway. Plus the guys so generous, he threw in another 9800gt (so thats two now) and a 4 free speakers, a mouse and keyboard, all for no extra charge! Anyway, I have already bought it, thanks for your help!

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Incredible. You lucky son of a gun.

I'm gonna be pissed when I spend way too much money buying a new PC this Christmas.
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Both are too much money if you ask me. And those CPUs are only 2.4GHz, not 9.6. If thats how the company advertised the speed, I wouldn't trust buying a PC from them since they know nothing about how multiple cores operate.

LiteOn doesn't list that DVD drive as Vista compatible. I haven't been able to find a 9.1 channel sound card, I'd be curious to know what board they're using and what chipsets. (Asus brand from the listed EPU)

With this custom built system, you get 8GB ram, 1TB harddrive, a dedicated sound card, and 2 9800GT cards, which should solve the problem of getting either one 9800 or two 9600s. Overall, the system looks better in my opinion is about $500 cheaper before shipping. And most hardware carries a typical 1-3 year warranty.

CPU Q6600 - $182.45
OCZ Gold 8GB DD2 800 - $119.99
WD 1TB Sata2 (16mb cache) - $114.99
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB - $99.99 (2)
LG GH20NS15 DVD burner - $23.99
Thermaltake Soprano RS101 /w side window - $49.99
SeaSonic S12 SS-550HT 550w - $89.99
Creative X-Fi Xtreme 7.1 PCI-Express - $59.99
AOC 22" LCD - $219.99
MS Vista Home Premium - $222.99
Asus P5N-D (750i,EPU,gigabit LAN) - $139.99


TOTAL: $1,424.34

Add $110 for the Asus P5N-T if you want the 780i chipset instead.


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