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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 11:22
Well, I'm speechless. Just read it...
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=952316

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 11:52
That's... Wow.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 12:11
I um. er. I dont know what to say. Alucard you just summed it up.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 12:22
Well.. Lets see how this turns out.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 12:53
Brain-control, this is ridiculous. Microsoft and Wal-Mart are innocent, buy their products now. I live my life by Microsoft and Wal-Mart, buy their products now. They are innocent, buy now.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 12:57
A sales person at a store tried to fool me into buying something... I KNOW! Lets sue him for 2 billion dollars!


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 13:48
.....

Some people!

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 13:55
He probably just wanted his name on the news

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 13:57
This is brilliant, people really will try anything to get money.


...i hope he wins.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 14:06
That Judge is a freakin' idiot.

That, or his job is really mind numbingly boring so he decided to spice it up. Maybe next time he can do it without costing companies legal fees they really shouldn't have to pay.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 14:11
Although this lawsuit is obviously ridiculous, it does raise an interesting point if brain-computer interfaces ever become widespread


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 17:42
Lol, that's crazy. I say good on the judge though. If Microsofts wastes our time and money with crappy OS releases and bugs and work arounds, then I say let's waste their time and money in court. Just the fact that it's a crazy case rubs it in even further lol.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 17:46 Edited at: 15th Nov 2008 17:53
IIRC mind control of a sort IS possible - unless the frame-rates used by monitors have been chosen to eliminate it.

"Subliminal advertising", more correctly "subliminal suggestion", works by repeatedly displaying an image for a brief instant in the middle of a sequence of regular images. So, for example, an image of a refreshing cool beer could replace every 50th image produced by the regular scene (which could simply be your Windows desktop "scene"). The point is that the rogue image is displayed so briefly your conscious mind doesn't notice it - but the sub-conscious mind does and is affected accordingly. "Subliminal advertising" is a well-documented phenomenon known since the early days of cinema and television and is illegal ... at least I think it is. Perhaps it's not illegal in Canada?

Edit And here is a very interesting link on the topic:

subliminal advertising

Beyond that rather remote possibility the claim does seem rather bizarre.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 17:49
Are you saying.... Microsoft advertises beer? That's why it's so good!

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Quote: "Are you saying.... Microsoft advertises beer? That's why it's so good!"


It could explain a lot.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 18:48
Odd. If he's under mind-control, why is filing a lawsuit?

Quite bad mind-control, maybe?


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 20:00 Edited at: 15th Nov 2008 20:02
I believe the guy, i looked at the case for windows vista and found inverted pentagrams. Why did i buy vista anyways after the one update for xp, i had the need to buy it. Strange i now want to burn my mac book.
But really I don't think microsoft is preforming Satanic rituals, or practising witchcraft and if they are can you sue for that.

this is how i feel about his lawsuit.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 20:17
Quote: "If he's under mind-control, why is filing a lawsuit?"


Who said it was MS controlling his mind?
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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 20:17
Hello citizens! There is no conspiracy, Microsoft is COOL with the times! Let us all enjoy a rad soda pop and play a video game celebrating our independence and uniqueness, our minds at ease.

Quote: "If Microsofts wastes our time and money with crappy OS releases and bugs and work arounds, then I say let's waste their time and money in court."


Why did they never invent that stabbing-people-across-the-internet device .

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Quote: "Lol, that's crazy. I say good on the judge though. If Microsofts wastes our time and money with crappy OS releases and bugs and work arounds, then I say let's waste their time and money in court. Just the fact that it's a crazy case rubs it in even further lol."


If making a supposedly 'crappy' OS is punishable by law, then you should bring a lawsuit against them. Justifying this absurdity like you just did is ridiculous, it's just bullcrap and that judge obviously is an idiot.
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WHY does everyone I hear from think Vista is "Crappy"? Vista is 10 times better than XP, and I have never seen any of the supposed problems people have.
I honestly believe most of these "problems" are made up.


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Quote: "WHY does everyone I hear from think Vista is "Crappy"? Vista is 10 times better than XP, and I have never seen any of the supposed problems people have.
I honestly believe most of these "problems" are made up."

And here we go.

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Quote: "Vista is 10 times better than XP, and I have never seen any of the supposed problems people have."


Why "fix" what isn't broken?


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The Super Nintendo wasn't broken, but now we have the WII, the Xbox etc.

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Quote: "And here we go.
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You forgot the again. Your sentence just became invalid by the lack of it.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 22:36
Yay, OS war!

Quote: "Why "fix" what isn't broken?"

It's called business I think.

Quote: "Vista is 10 times better than XP"

Well, if you say so. It does have UAC and such, but other than that I can't really see what's so good about it. I prefer XP.

Oh and funny article.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 22:44
Vista, I've got it, it's ok, I like it.....

That's it really...

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Quote: "It's called business I think."


No, my point is, rather than incrementally improving, or drastically changing the OS, MS merely sort of 'restarted' but only built it back up the feature set of the original, if not less - and with drastically inferior performance on the same hardware. Where's the progress?


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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 23:19
I don't know. Maybe MS are retarded.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2008 23:45 Edited at: 15th Nov 2008 23:47
Quote: "I don't know. Maybe MS are retarded."


Maybe MS is a genius for creating the best looking AND best performing OS ever made.

I find it funny when people whine about an OS (or anything) just because they hear other people complaining about it. And that's not directed at you, Benjamin.

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Oh yeah. What a stupid judge...

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Quote: "Maybe MS is a genius for creating the best looking AND best performing OS ever made. "

And then they followed up with Vista. I'm thinking the same thing as David R (although I'm cooler).

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Quote: "And then they followed up with Vista."

...and created an even better OS! I don't know what this nonsense about "restarting" is about. I'd say there are large differences between XP and Vista. One that comes to my mind, DX10? Also, the start menu, all programs menu, window switcher, and a lot more.

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Quote: "One that comes to my mind, DX10?"

You like the fact that they didn't let it work on XP?

Quote: "the start menu"

...Sucks, in my opinion. I much prefer XP's. I also prefer the way certain settings are accessed in XP, such as theme/wallpaper/power management/etc, in Vista everything seems separated so much that it takes longer to adjust these things. As for the window switcher, I'm not particularly bothered.


Not that any of this is on topic with the thread.

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Quote: "I also prefer the way certain settings are accessed in XP, such as theme/wallpaper/power management/etc, in Vista everything seems separated so much that it takes longer to adjust these things"


Oh ya, cause Ctrl+Right Click then clicking 'Personalize' takes a lot of work, right?

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I'm sorry, where's that rather quick tabbed window XP had where you could just click through the tabs to look at all the settings?

Oh, that appears to be what I'm referring to.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2008 01:32
Quote: " if brain-computer interfaces ever become widespread"


OCZ's brain mouse???


Whatever the real reason for the lawsuit, Mr. Rose claims they stole an invention of his and he has proof. I'd love to see what this proof is.


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*sigh* I really hate going off current page to load another page... It's like a symbolic link (shortcut) that you have to follow manually :/.

Quote: "NANAIMO, B. C. - A judge has refused to dismiss a civil lawsuit brought by a B. C. man who is seeking $2-billion in damages from Microsoft, Telus, Wal-Mart, the RCMP and other defendants over alleged brain-wave control, satanic rituals and witchcraft.

Justice Fraser Wilson heard from five lawyers on Monday, who argued that the case brought forward by Jerry Rose is so outrageous it should be dismissed.

Mr. Rose's claim says "he has been subject to invasive brain computer interface technology, research, experiments, field studies and surgery" and also names the University of B. C. and B. C. College of Physicians and Surgeons as defendants.

Jennifer Millbank, a Nanaimo lawyer hired to represent Microsoft in the case, said that Mr. Rose's two-page statement of claim is "nothing short of bizarre" and that it would be "impossible this would ever be a case for trial on the merits."

But Judge Wilson, while admitting the case was "certainly an unusual one," said he had to be convinced there was nothing in Mr. Rose's claim that could be litigated.

Ms. Millbank said there is no scientific evidence to prove brain control is a possibility.

"I think this is akin to someone saying they sustained injuries because their boat fell off the edge of

the world," said Ms. Millbank. "My clients ought not to be subjected to what is a nuisance lawsuit."

Judge Wilson raised the notorious case of a CIA-sponsored experiment at McGill University between 1957 and 1964 in which people without their consent were given LSD and other drugs. But Ms. Millbank said that in this case there are no material facts that a court could act upon.

Microsoft had no direct contact with Mr. Rose, and his statement of claim gives no details on how or when the defendants may have harmed him, Ms. Millbank said.

Mr. Rose, reading from a three-page statement, said the mind-control harassment continues with "brain-drain technologies" under the RCMP and tactics to prevent his case from going forward.

Mr. Rose said he is asking for $2-billion because of a computer technology he invented that was stolen from him. "I'm not a lawyer, but I have proof," Mr. Rose said."


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I find the last sentence of the article to be the most interesting:
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Mr. Rose said he is asking for $2-billion because of a computer technology he invented that was stolen from him. "I'm not a lawyer, but I have proof," Mr. Rose said."


Wonder what technology he's talking about.
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OK, I will NOT start another "Omega argument", as Alucard called them.
I will not discuss which OS works/looks "better" because that is largely opinion-based.
What i was talking about, is that people say there are all these problems with Vista crashing and running slow and being unstable and blah blee blah bleebedy blah...
I'm fairly certain that NONE of these problems exist. I have never experienced them, and I have the same Vista that every other Vista user has. There can't be a bug on one copy of Vista and no bug on another copy of the exact same OS. If You messed something up by tinkering with the system, or you get a virus, that's YOUR fault. The OS itself has no problem. It MAY be a hardware thing, that Vista runs weird on certain hardware. But the OS itself is totally fine.
Really, I think that Microsoft should sue Apple for the commercials they are putting out. They are blatantly advertising lies. They have said that "Apple is the number one Laptop on college campuses nationwide." That is by no means true. I have never seen a single Mac laptop on my campus (PTI), my friend's old campus (CMU) my friend's current campus (CCAC) or my sister's campus (Pitt). I have seen hundreds of windows laptops on these campuses, and just about everywhere I go. Maybe "mac>Windows" is true in one little bizzaro-world town, but not in Pennsylvania. They also say that Vista has all those problems, which is also false advertising.


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Quote: "Quote: "If he's under mind-control, why is filing a lawsuit?"

Who said it was MS controlling his mind? "

Yeah, it could be Mac joint with Sony to take down MS once and for all.


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Quote: "I'm fairly certain that NONE of these problems exist. I have never experienced them, and I have the same Vista that every other Vista user has."

So because you didn't experience it means that it doesn't exist?
And I'm not saying Vista is bad, I've never tried it in fact, but from what I've heard it's pretty good.


Quote: "OK, I will NOT start another "Omega argument", as Alucard called them.
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I hope not.

Anyways, it would be sort of hilarious if the guy who sued them actually won. I would seriously LOL in real life.


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Quote: "I'm fairly certain that NONE of these problems exis"


So all those updates and patches MS releases for Vista are for what then? I supported Vista for multiple developers, trust me there are issues. A fresh install of Vista versus XP runs slower. I won't get into the UI differences, thats all a matter of opinion. Vista has known issues with its print spooler failing constantly and needing the service restarted. MS has admitted this and documented a not so user-friendly fix for it. Have you ever tried running VMware on Vista? With a 2Ghz core 2 duo and 3gb of ram, it was unbarebly slow for all the developers. Outlook was another issue, though I'm not sure if was Vista's problem or Outlook itself. Oh, and remember the whole issue with PCs marked as "Vista Ready" but barely had the horsepower to boot the stupid OS? MS waaay undershot the minimum specs for Vista when they sent out their stickers to Dell and others.

However, many other problems have been incompatibilities, mostly from software that ran fine on XP but not in Vista. This isn't necessarily MS's fault (unless they claimed Vista was 100% backwards compatible). Many problems are from 3rd party developers, but I'd be willing to bet at least 20% of the problems are from MS's end.

I still prefer Win2k, but will admit XP is a little more stable. I used Win2k for 7 years and rarely saw BSOD. But in XP I've never seen BSOD that wasn't related to a hardware failure. Vista? Well, it hasn't managed to run fast enough for me to even be able to use it the amount I have the others. It loads waaay too many services, uses ungodly amounts of ram, and all for what? My Windows experience didn't improve any.

People can argue all they want whether Vista is better or not. But I'd like to know what Vista has brought to the table that XP doesn't have. If Vista doesn't have all the problems that people claim it has, and everyone already knows how good XP is, then what's the point of Vista? What makes it better? Because so far, the best I've seen from anyone is that Vista is just as good as XP but nothing claiming as to what makes it better.


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Quote: "It's like a symbolic link (shortcut) "


If you're going to use an analogy, at least use one that works (symlinks != shortcuts)


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What would possess someone to file such a lawsuit? He's most likely not going to win and he'll just end up paying for some rediculous court fee.

If he DOES win, it'll end up as another legendary lawsuit, such as the "My McDonald's coffee was too hot and there wasn't a warning label telling me that! I DEMAND A MILLION DOLLARS!"


@Omega:

But nothing Apple has done is illegal. They're allowed to advertise like that. It doesn't even have to be true!

I wish it WOULD be illegal to advertise such things without justification, but it's not.

And what would Microsoft gain from filing a lawsuit against Apple other than appearing butt hurt over a few lousy commercials? They already have all the money they'd ever need.


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Quote: "But nothing Apple has done is illegal. They're allowed to advertise like that. It doesn't even have to be true!

I wish it WOULD be illegal to advertise such things without justification, but it's not.

And what would Microsoft gain from filing a lawsuit against Apple other than appearing butt hurt over a few lousy commercials? They already have all the money they'd ever need."


The commercials are one of the reasons I don't like Apple, it's just such a sleezy tactic, meanwhile Microsoft doesn't sink so low and desperate. I guess it just shows what a crappy company Apple is.

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This lawsuit is just as unusual! lol!

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/05/1658215

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Blizzard Sued By South Carolina Inmate
Posted by CmdrTaco on Wednesday November 05, @12:46PM
from the they-don't-come-much-more-zany-than-this dept.
Benjamin Duranske writes

"Jonathan Lee Riches, an inmate in South Carolina famous for filing long, handwritten, rambling screeds against celebrities, politicians, and even buildings, has filed a third-party motion in Federal Court in Arizona in the MDY v. Blizzard botting case claiming that Blizzard's World of Warcraft 'caused Riches mind to live in a virtual universe, where Riches explored the landscape committing identity theft and fighting cybermonster rival hacker gangs. Riches was addicted to video games and lost touch with reality because of defendants. This caused Riches to commit fraud to buy defendants video games. Riches chose World of Warcraft over working a legit job, Riches mind became a living video game.'"
"



...And this guy has a long history of these types of lawsuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Lee_Riches

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On April 9, 2008, Riches filed a request for a temporary restraining order in a US District Court against Grand Theft Auto publisher Take-Two, developer Rockstar Games, FCI Williamsburg, and Grand Theft Auto itself, claiming that the defendants "put me in prison." The inmate stated, "Defendants contributed to Plaintiff committing identity theft. Defendant's games show sex, drugs and violence which offends me." Riches continued, "Defendants put me in prison. I face imminent danger from violent inmates who played Grand Theft Auto who will knock me out and take my gold Jesus cross."[17]
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Quote: "The commercials are one of the reasons I don't like Apple, it's just such a sleezy tactic, meanwhile Microsoft doesn't sink so low and desperate. I guess it just shows what a crappy company Apple is"


I assume you haven't seen any of the "Get the facts" campaigns? MS is far far worse in terms of misleading tactics and FUD - Apple have only just cottoned on to using it against them (rather ingeniously, because the attitude to Vista seems to be generally sour, and Apple is merely giving MS a taste of their own medicine in terms of FUD)


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Yes, I have. The majority of the claims MS made are true.

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In my opinion Apple can say what they want. They have a much smaller influence in the computer market and I don't think that a significant amount of people take those commercials seriously.

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Those commercials are probably meant as jokes.


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