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General Reed
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 10:53
So im in the UK, Essex. Am i the only one who wakes up in the morning, checks online for jobs, and newspapers weekley, and have been doing so with no luck since september?

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Kohaku
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 11:34
Nop.

My lady friend has recently gained employment after about a year of looking for a job.

I've been in this job 3 years now but that was after 6 months of job searching.

What kind of work are you looking for?


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Syncaidius
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 11:40
I've been doing exactly the same as you General Reed since september and had no luck either.

General Reed
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 11:55
Quote: "What kind of work are you looking for?"

Well basicly what i want is a small computer related job, like a junior tehcnition or something. But i would go for a tempoary warehousing job aswell, just for a bit of cash. Neither of which i can find. A year ago, it was easy for me to get a job, i got a job at the begining of the year after about 1 week of searching, then another after that tempoary contract ended. Now i cant even find a job that would be vaguly sutable. Eveything requires a driving licence, or some card that ive never heard of.
What is happening to the world! lol


Quote: "I've been doing exactly the same as you General Reed since september and had no luck either. "

Aww, thats too bad, but its nice to know im not the only one.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 13:01
Essex, you poor boy, my house mate is from there and she says she never wants to go back. As for jobs, I find it hard to get one - in my town outside of Cambridge or here in Derby. Saying that, I'm just looking for part-time work.

If you're looking for a job in computing, from what I understand it's a competitive industry - I might suggest finding ways to build up your CV and standing your head above the crowd - just things to say about yourself that qualifies you better for the job.

Perhaps check places you can commute to - you know, outside of Essex, I imagine it's not that hard to get to London from there.

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General Reed
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 17:08
Quote: "Essex, you poor boy, my house mate is from there and she says she never wants to go back."

Yup, its a terrible place. Ask your roommate about a little crappy chav infested hellhole called Braintree, thats where i am every day

Quote: "Perhaps check places you can commute to - you know, outside of Essex, I imagine it's not that hard to get to London from there.
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Yes, i am willing to commute to london, however it does infact take 1hour(On a good day) just to get to liverpool street, and then if my job is not close to lv st, then its another 1/2 - 1 hour jouney on the tubes. So it would need to be a realy good job for me to want to.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 17:15
Quote: "in my town outside of Cambridge"


Move to Oxford.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 17:18 Edited at: 24th Nov 2008 17:47
Hell, i'm living in cornwall at the moment, if you can find a job down here you are extremely lucky.
I've also found that local job centres are better to find jobs than the internet, tend to be more up to date, it also can't hurt to find out about any offices near you and go in and ask yourself.


EDIT: but if you are after money it is best not to be picky.


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Tom J
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 18:27
Quote: "Essex, you poor boy, my house mate is from there and she says she never wants to go back."


lol, it isn't that bad here. Well the village I live in isn't bad anyway , can't really comment on places like Basildon, Southend and Braintree :S (although they have that freeport, which is quite cool)
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 18:27
Try the local McDonalds, if you got any. If you are the guy they need, then you got yourself a job quite easily.
And you can get to a high position really fast, here in sweden some bosses have only worked for about 3 years.

And if you have worked for a while and the quit, then you got a really great reference when searching for a job.
It has been researches that tells that if you have worked at McD as an employee there is a bigger chance to get a new job, than if you have worked as maybe a boss on some small company.

Good luck!

General Reed
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 20:44
Lol freeport sucks lol :/.

Well i have worked and quit, the trouble is i cant actualy find any advertisments for jobs i would actualy bne able to do in the first place.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 20:46
I think mostly it's just a bad time to be looking for a job (what with unemployment being up and a recession).

Personally my advice would be to try an agency, it's how I got my job this September as a software developer. I spent a few weeks submitting my CV to companies and getting no where. Eventually decided to upload my CV to Monster.com. Got a phone call from an agency, had an interview with a company on the Friday, and started work on the following Monday.


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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 21:11 Edited at: 24th Nov 2008 21:15
Quote: "Am i the only one who wakes up in the morning, checks online for jobs, and newspapers weekley, and have been doing so with no luck since september?"


Obviously the reason why you don't have a job yet is because this approach is so wrong.

I'll list some points that I learned from experience, and from talking with people.


1) Use your network.
Do not just "go online and check for jobs". Use your family, relatives, people you know, people you meet on the street.
It might just happen that, say your girlfriend, knows a guy who knows a guy who's father is looking for people to hire.
Maybe try asking around.

2) Get a temporarly job.
Businesses are more interested in people who are already working.
Say you work at mcDonalds. You go into an interview with a company and they ask you the question "So what do you do nowadays?" your answer sounds much better if you say "I work at mcDonalds, I just love helping people and have some responsibility. I also get to lock the doors and stuff." (note: I've never worked at mcdonalds so I have no idea what they do). Rather than "well.. I usually wake up and search for jobs for 10 minutes. Then I play some games or program, and then I go back to bed. (note: This was my life for a while until I got the job I have now )

3) Register at an agency.
They will have an interview with you, to get an idea of how you are like personally. They will use this information, and your background, as well as your job wish(es) and frankly give you a job for free.

4) Do not wish for a particular job. Start small.
For instance, if you want to work as a computer technician, search for a job at a company you know they use computers.
Maybe you get to work with cleaning? Say you are cleaning a particular floor and you see a person is having trouble with his computer. Just walk up to him and solve the problem. He will remember you and recommend you to others (note: I already noticed this happening to me (also my job is not to clean, I am a document controller or whatever the title is. I use a computer and enter information into a database).
After a few months, and with your good impression on other people, maybe you will get hired as a technician instead.
I know a person who used this approach. Though it was for a different job.

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5) Apply for a job even though they aren't looking.
Don't search on jobs you see online. Thousands of people are doing just that, which means the company have to select from a thousand of people. Mostly which will just have "bad luck" and get tossed in the bin right away, just to halve down the amount of people who searched.
Just write a nice letter that will make the company remember you.
Maybe you have luck and the day after you sent your letter, the company really are in need of a new employee and they see "oh, hey here's one!"

Just a few tips,
Whell BYE! (gotta go)

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 21:23
I'd try to find a recruiter if I were you. Their job is to find you a job, and the great thing is you don't have to pay them. The company who hires you gives them a referral bonus, basically.


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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 21:28
If your in a pinch for cash, you might want to look at doing work for a temp agency too. They'd fit you up with a pay by the day type job, and the work usually sucks, but usually pays good


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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 21:59
Not being funny but right now, money is money.
Unless you're a vetran so to speak in IT-based industries, you're going to find it almost impossible to break in to right now; even using an Agency you'll find that either you'll have extremely long travel times or require qualifications most just don't have.

Around this time of the year in particularly (recession or not) you'd have found it difficult to get a job... best time of the year is Spring, or End-of-Summer.

Past that getting anything is often better, than something you like. As I said, money is money. You'd probably be able to find you can get a Supermarket, Off-License or Bartending job relatively easily no matter where you are.

I personally decided recently, since my contract at work was up for renewal; asked if I could renegotiate in March (i.e. 4months unpaid holiday) and have taken up a job at a local off-license doing 16-20hours a week. Money isn't amazing, but it's enough to cover bills and food; especially with my brother now employed. Giving me that time to develop game(s) for XNA Community Games, and also see what returns it provides.

If it's successful, then I'll probably start doing those titles on a full-time basis starting up my own little development house here in Watford. If not, then I guess I just renew my contract happy knowing that atleast I tried.

Of course over the next few months I want to try my best to make this a worth-while and hopefully lucrative enough endeavour... plus I guess it's cool that my colleages where I was are lending my their support doing this.

Just remember, simply cause you have a job to keep your household ticking over; doesn't mean it has to become a career. Everything is a good stepping stone, if only that they become a good referrance for your next employer. You'd be surprised what a difference something like that can make. Tying yourself to a single career path can often be quite damaging in the long run if there becomes an over-saturation in that field.

Hell that's why I starting learning programming about 6 years back properly. Didn't expect to get anything in that field, but it was something that oddly enough with the advent of Shaders and the required collaboration between the graphics programmers and artists really gives you that shine that many others don't have.

They call my field Technical Artists, or Art Engineers. Depending on who you go with. Being such allows you to intergrate into teams better as you can explain to the programmers what sort of thing you need in their language, often you can show them; and then they take that from a technical demo into something practical and optimised.

Although I'm not saying qualifications don't help, I will say between someone who is qualified for a job; and one with experience across more than one particular field. Experience ALWAYS wins.

How to get that experience is really up to you, but it'll server you better in the long run.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 22:01
Quote: "Say you are cleaning a particular floor and you see a person is having trouble with his computer. Just walk up to him and solve the problem."

Sorry but this just made me bust a gut lol. Never have I heard of a company would let the cleaner touch their comps, I certainly wouldnt, no matter how confident the cleaner was he could fix the thing, I've met too many folks who 'think' they can 'fix' things usually do more harm than good .
What I dont hear is any mention of qualifications if you want to work your way up to working in a tech position working in Macdonalds aint gonna get you anywhere, instead of looking at the vacancies every day get out your pit and attend a college course, aimed at getting you a start in whatever particular field you want to work in, most colleges have a work placement at the end of these courses aimed at getting you into gainful employment, there are no shortcuts.
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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 23:44
Braintree sucks. I live in Witham, about 7 miles away from you, and Witham sucks even more than Braintree!

Freeport is good for a couple of trips but the more you go there the more it annoys you. Cinema's not too bad though.

With regards to employment, around 20 years ago I used to commute from Witham to Liverpool Street every day and it really is a painful journey with constant track and signal problems, and the cost is astronomical.

Luckily for me I now work exactly 3.2 miles from home and takes less then 10 minutes by car. Great programming job and great group of people to work with, couldn't ask for anything better.

Computing jobs do seem to popup in batches in Essex, so there will be nothing for a month or two and then suddenly loads come up all at once. Just have to be patient. If you can avoid commuting into London I would as it will just get you down after a while but that is unfortunately where all the decent money is.

Good luck!

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Posted: 24th Nov 2008 23:58 Edited at: 25th Nov 2008 00:03
Quote: "Yup, its a terrible place. Ask your roommate about a little crappy chav infested hellhole called Braintree, thats where i am every day"


I probably would need to - her Essex-chav impression was too good the first time, I wouldn't imagine if it's any different in Braintree. People don't like her there because she didn't knocked up at the age of twelve, didn't become a mother at fourteen and won't be a grandmother in a few years time. I always thought 'Essex-girl' was just an unfair stereotype, hearing the stories the stereotype seems more and more appropriate.



If it helps - if you're out for a career, well your goal may start at something completely unrelated, but money means you can move on and find the job you want or fund the skills/qualifications you may need to get your head out.

As I am doing a Writing degree today we had a published writer come in and do his book launch, where he held seminar, now the writer was a student from the same university and studied the same course (shameless plug, he was launching the release of his novel 'Blackmoor', his name Ed Hogan) He didn't go into anything to do with writing when he left uni, he used the skills he had developed to go into the salesman business of selling double glazing windows. It left him to work towards the goal he set out after leaving uni, now he has a 2 book deal with a publisher, his first book was shortlisted for the Dylan Thomas prize.


It's an example I saw today of started with a job you do not want. But it often happens. I don't expect to go straight into magazine writing when I leave, but I may get lucky. I might end up with a crappy office job providing customer support for Cthulu.

It's also a problme my sisters seems to face - she is unwilling to compromise with a crappy design job before getting the good ones, the ones that require 2 years in the industry or have a lot of competition for. But hey, you've always got to start somewhere.


Quote: "Quote: "in my town outside of Cambridge"

Move to Oxford."


When I properly leave home (half living as a student, half living with parents) I might see if I can get a decent job there - some of the villages around Oxford are quite nice. I dunno, depends where the world takes me. Saying that, Cambridge and Cambridgeshire are still quite nice, but then so's Derby, however Derby is crap for the job market.

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Go on the dole.

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Quote: "some of the villages around Oxford are quite nice."


I live in a village near oxford, i have to say its one hell of alot better than the city. Much quieter so you can concentrate on your work. There is also some IT jobs available nearby (which i havnt looked into yet, but ive heard about them) so im pretty much sorted when i finnish all my education.

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Posted: 25th Nov 2008 15:33
lol, I think Essex suffers as the New Jersey of England.

Quote: "I always thought 'Essex-girl' was just an unfair stereotype"


Going to a grammar school, fortunately most of the girls I know aren't "Essex Girls"

Quote: "Freeport is good for a couple of trips but the more you go there the more it annoys you. Cinema's not too bad though.
"


Only been there once, guess that explains why you two dislike it much more.
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Quote: "I live in a village near oxford"

I live about 25 minutes away from Oxford. Took my driving test in Oxford, far to many cyclist in Oxford .


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