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timmie124
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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 05:40
ok so i had an idea for a computer
sense you can submerge a computer under corn oil or mineral oil because its non conductive

i was wanting to put fish in it as well but fish cant live in oil and then i thought wait doesn't water float about the oil because its to dense.

i wanted to confirm this is true and also would the fish be able to survive with the 2 different substances in the tank

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 05:52
What in God's name are you talking about son?

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 05:55
Stay away from animals and electronics please.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:25
i think that the fish would fail miserably and then die.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:28
so you dont think that the fish would die if the water and oil would separate

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:30
the fish just wouldnt survive in the mineral oil...going from the fresh water at the store to mineral oil would kill it...the gills are meant to extract oxygen out of the water...and as far as i know they cant do that in mineral oil.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:37
no what is that the mineral oil is heaver so the water stays above it so they fish still can extract the air because the 2 substances wont mix

im sure some one remembers this experiment were 2 different coloured liquids are poured into the same container and on rests at the bottom and the other lays on top?

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:39 Edited at: 26th Nov 2008 06:39
just head on down to your local pet shop get a little cheap glass fish tank, some water, mineral oil, and some cheap 50 cent gold fish.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:42
if it does work would my computer components be at risk because there's water floating about the oil

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:43
yes they would


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 06:44
then i shall not even attempt this

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 07:12
Why would you even attempt this in the first place?


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 07:17
becuase you can submerge a computer into mineral oil and sense mineral oil and water seperate i thought it could be fun to add fish to the water

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This thread should get some sort of award. I LOL'd hard.

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Hey! My basement is filled with air! Humans require air! I know, let's capture a bunch of people and trap them in my basement for ever! Genius.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 11:16
one trick you can do though is pour water over a layer of argon. argon is see through and heavier than water, so it'll look like the layer of water with the fish floating around in it is floating in the air. this has nothing to do with electronics though...

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 12:41 Edited at: 26th Nov 2008 12:42
Quote: "one trick you can do though is pour water over a layer of argon. argon is see through and heavier than water, so it'll look like the layer of water with the fish floating around in it is floating in the air."


I don't think that is possible. Water has a much larger density than Argon.
Maybe if the argon was in a liquid state, but even then, the water would freeze at those temperatures. And the fish will most likely die.


To be honest I don't think anybody should immerse their computer in Oil, unless they desperately want their room to smell like a Chippy.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 16:37
Actually this is completely possibly and you could add fish one way. The person I know who did it made a box within a box and the one on the inside contained the mineral oil and the outside with water and fishes.

Here is an example without fishes-


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Posted: 26th Nov 2008 19:32 Edited at: 26th Nov 2008 19:37
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You could always add fake fish...


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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 01:29
i like the fake fish idea

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I agree!! I just about peed myself.

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Quote: "This thread should get some sort of award"

Tere's always The forumers of '08 Awards... but I think the thread died out now...
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This isn't so dumb. I had a friend at uni who tried the computer in Oil thing and it works. Thing is, it's not very practical.

Now, If you could get the water into the tank on the oil, without them initially mixing , then separating, you could potentially get fish in. I think the problem would be that, you'd need to oxegenate the water for the fish, but if you blow bubbles up through the oil, you'll cause a current that will mix the oil and the water.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 11:59
You know, he might not have a standard grasp of the english language, but I think he's on to something.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 14:33
Yeah the difficult part would be the water and oil initially mixing, well realistically speaking they'll then seperate into two completely different sections.

Kinda cool when that happens, mind I see and issue by using oil as a coolant; mainly the fact in order for it to work correctly you'd need to keep it constantly moving; here'in lies the issue with the water/oil combo.

You know oddly enough though, Amniotic Fluid won't short out electrical systems as it isn't conductive. It is breathable by the fish due to it being basically like a rich salt water... that said I doubt many have checked to see it's cooling abilities, plus getting ahold of 2-3 Gallons might prove a bit of a problem

That said why in gods name do you want fish in your computer anyway? I thought those who wanted bloody flashing lights inside were crazy enough. This is a bit like those old 70s platform shoes with Fish... sure they're grand until you realise you can't open then up and change the water and the fish die.

You fancy doing something productive, try to see if you can figure out a safe way of making LN2 cooling solutions. As personally I'd prefer a system that runs at sub-zero temperatures over something that has fish in it anyday.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 20:09
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English is the only language i speak, i just suck with grammer

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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 20:51
Quote: "no what is that the mineral oil is heaver so the water stays above it so they fish still can extract the air because the 2 substances wont mix

im sure some one remembers this experiment were 2 different coloured liquids are poured into the same container and on rests at the bottom and the other lays on top?"


I think you've got it backwards. Oil floats on top of water, and if you were to put a fish in such a solution it would die due to the lack of oxygen that would be replenished in the water. If the fish surfaced to pull in oxygen into the water (or to eat) it would flood its gills with oil and die shortly after.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 23:15
huh always that the water floated on top k then its defintly not possible

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Try it with vegetable soup instead of oil.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2008 16:01
technically, you can submerge a pc in water because it's non-conductive. It's the pullants and other minerals which cause the shorts to happen, so pure H2O may work....... Until you stick a slimy fish in it.

You have another potential problem with heat. The heat from the pc might still warm the fish water to much.


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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 19:51
The PCs fans and CD drive might complain about the oil. Petrol on the other hand might not affect the fans so much so that might be worth a try.

However, I suggest you try your Dad's computer first. If that works then you can try the more exciting steps of first adding mineral oil, with or without the petrol, and then adding fish and water to the combination - but again I'd advise using your Dad's PC first.

Does your Dad smoke?
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i wouldnt worry about fans they would still work but they would be far from efficient they would be just keeping the liquid flowing and the cd drive i wouldnt dare ruin my my cds

i have 3 computers 1 1999 emachine or 2000 i dont remeber
some type of gate way i use as a server and computer i built that i use from my use the emachine would be the one i would submerge to test then the gate way server becuase its always to hot and the case is a piece of junk

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yes why?

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as Richard of "Looking For Group" would say.. "fwoosh!"

and yeah water is denser than oil, that's why you see oil on top of puddles.

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