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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 19:42
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I can't figure out why I can't install Muster (a render queue manager) in Fedora 10.

I use:

tar -zxvf <filename>

And it unpacks it just fine. But then I go to use ./configure, and it says the command does not exist. Same thing with make and make install. What is going on? Where are the commands??

There is no readme, so that kind of sucks.

Also, if it helps, I don't see a "configure" script among the files unpacked.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 19:47
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You might have to install make.


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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 19:54
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nah, nevermind. I just had ./install as root.

Where do you install programs to in linux though? There really isn't a place to like windows does (Program Files). Where it the proper place?

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 27th Nov 2008 19:56 Edited at: 27th Nov 2008 19:56
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Nevermind, user/local.

EDIT: Seriously. It figures after 4 hours of trying to figure this out. The SECOND I post I figure it out. Sorry guys.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 28th Nov 2008 18:15
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You'd usually just install to the default location.

What were you installing? Most of the time, you can get by just fine using apt-get unless you need a very specific configuration.


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Posted: 28th Nov 2008 22:16
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Maybe you should first learn linux basics. Or try ubuntu, its more noob friendly =) You can run your programs by its name/command tho in example if you install bmpx music player you can then run it on terminal by typing bmpx or making shortcut for it.

But distro like ubuntu makes a shortcut for installed packets.

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Posted: 29th Nov 2008 13:51
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Quote: "Nevermind, user/local.

EDIT: Seriously. It figures after 4 hours of trying to figure this out. The SECOND I post I figure it out. Sorry guys."


Happens to the all of us sooner or later .

Have never had to look up that folder, though, since Ubuntu handles that for me, so I learned something today... thanks !

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It is problems like this that make the average MS Windows user stay with Windows. Linux is a great OS, but will never be a serious competitor to MS until all the elitist fanboys allow the interface to be more user friendly. Just my opinion
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Posted: 30th Nov 2008 02:13 Edited at: 30th Nov 2008 02:16
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Quote: "It is problems like this that make the average MS Windows user stay with Windows. Linux is a great OS, but will never be a serious competitor to MS until all the elitist fanboys allow the interface to be more user friendly. Just my opinion"


An uneducated opinion. 99 percent of the software you want to install in linux is *easier* to install than in windows, and updates automatically by the system.

I can almost guarantee, unless Sid needed a special configuration, he totally went the hard route instead of simply using apt-get (or the add/remove interface from within the desktop)

(To put it in perspective, he effectively downloaded the sourcecode to a program and tried to compile it and install it. That process on windows would've been much much harder. Let alone that he chose to compile it himself in the firstplace, which is unnecessary as much on Linux as it is in Windows)


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I admit, I'm a linux noob. As for it being easier than windows, eh. I already feel some advantages it has, but I also feel the learning curve is a bit steep. It could be done better. Any interacting with the command line for an installation is, 99% of the time, unreasonable. I don't claim to know linux, but it shouldn't be that hard for these '1337' linux programmers to make a gui for things like that. The only reason I can think of as to why that hasn't already been done is because they are indeed elitist. If doing things the long and hard way makes you feel cool, knock yourself out.

I switched from using Suse (which I found out was no longer being developed or something), to Fedora. I remember using Fedora before, and found it to be quality stuff.

I was trying to install Muster, a render management queue program. The file comes in a tar.gz. When you extract it, there are files with 1's and 0's in the icon. I saw on the internet that people used ./configure then make and make install, but I kept on getting an error saying the command didn't exist. I finally found a post on the Muster forums telling someone to use ./install and it worked.

As to how my render farm is progressing, it would be better if I had more than one computer

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heh, must've missed that. Ya, a render farm app I can see being not so easy to install in linux

That said, Fedora really shines on the command line. You picked the wrong OS if you wanted a good gui Ubuntu offers the best gui system. The only reason to use the command line in Ubuntu is because it's quicker than right clicking to a bunch of dialogs


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Why should '1337' linux programmers create a gui installer for some companies software? Especially since the company in question won't even let you download it without an email address to spam.

If some company decided to use a .bat file to install their software on windows would microsoft be at fault?

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Quote: "Why should '1337' linux programmers create a gui installer for some companies software?"


A very simple answer: Because not everyone is leet.

Quote: "Especially since the company in question won't even let you download it without an email address to spam."


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Quote: "If some company decided to use a .bat file to install their software on windows would microsoft be at fault?"


I haven't made a .bat in a while, but can't you just click on that too and it executes the commands? If that's the way that is suppose to work in linux then I must have missed something. But to answer your question, sort of. It's the OS's responsibility to provide flexibility to the software authors, but it's the software developers responsibility to use to more accepted method.

@Jerico: Got it, I'll keep Ubuntu in mind

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Quote: "A very simple answer: Because not everyone is leet."


I think the point was, why didn't the company make a gui frontend? It's not linux's fault.


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Posted: 30th Nov 2008 23:11
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Quote: "I admit, I'm a linux noob. As for it being easier than windows, eh. I already feel some advantages it has, but I also feel the learning curve is a bit steep. It could be done better. Any interacting with the command line for an installation is, 99% of the time, unreasonable. I don't claim to know linux, but it shouldn't be that hard for these '1337' linux programmers to make a gui for things like that. The only reason I can think of as to why that hasn't already been done is because they are indeed elitist. If doing things the long and hard way makes you feel cool, knock yourself out."


There exist such GUI systems, but it also depends very much on the distro. Linux is not one common entity, it is many OSs with the one thing encommon that they use the Linux kernel. So Linux is only the name of the kernel, the rest is very different from distro to distro.

As stated, there exist such GUI systems. Some are extremely userfriendly, like Add/Remove in Ubuntu (which is even more userfirendly then Windows in my opinion, even though I prefer to use Synaptic).

Problem is, not every company uses those GUIs. Not Linux fault, but I can understand why it would be frustrating .

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@Mr Z: Yeah, that makes sense. It would indeed vary OS to OS wouldn't it

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I think installing by command line is extremely easy. I've been using Arch Linux and to install apache, mysql, and php all I had to do was use pacman -Sy apache php mysql. It would download and install all three of them at once, can't really get easier than that.

I consider myself a linux noob also as I just started to really use it, setting up myself a home server on an old computer, and although it is a bit hard to learn at first once you know how to do it, it becomes pretty simple. Whenever I ran into a problem I just used Google, since I'm pretty sure if you run into a problem someone else has too and there is a simple solution to it.

I have also been using Mandriva(one of the first distros I tried out) and that is extremely user friendly, in my experience. As easy to use as Windows IMO.


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"An uneducated opinion." ? I am glad you know me that well

I have been using different versions of Linux daily for the last two years. I am looking at the OS passing the, "Mother Test." Which is easier to teach your Mother to operate ? Linux or MS Windows? Computers are supposed to be getting easier to use and open to more and more people. I started with a Vic-20 years ago and have seen operating systems improve steadily with the exception of Linux which seems locked into the same mode as ten-years ago. I stand by my opinion that Linux will never be accepted or live up to its potential until its user interface is improved and standardized. It is a shame as Linux is a better OS than anything that has been made by Microsoft.
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Posted: 1st Dec 2008 05:26 Edited at: 1st Dec 2008 05:31
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Quote: ""An uneducated opinion." ? I am glad you know me that well "


Sorry if I came off as rude there.

But I do beg to differ. Ubuntu's there. Tought my uncle how to use it. He doesn't touch the command line, btw. I haven't had to help him out in months now. The only time he has problems now are with broken updates, the last one got fixed within a week. (DVD playback stopped) When I first set it up with v7, I did need to setup his sound driver, but that's been fixed in v8, he was able to reinstall (chose to reinstall rather than upgrade) all by himself.

The only thing linux lacks now is software companies getting behind it. It won't be long. Another 5 to 10 years and I bet MS will be seriously hurting.

I'm not saying problems don't arise ever... but when you can put "ubuntu nameofproblem" into google and find a fix every time, it's no big deal.

The big thing for him is that there are no viruses. He's content with being able to surf without any (or extremely little, anyway) risk. That's a lot to say for someone who's a newb. One virus could scare a guy away from freely surfing and checking stuff out. You don't have that problem in linux.

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