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Omega gamer 89
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I have created a webcomic called "AMOF" Which is short for "A Matter Of Fact."
Its basically a collection of really weird facts, and I make jokes about them. I will be posting them on my website soon, but I just wanted to show them to you guys and see what you think.
Before you say it, YES it looks a bit like XKCD. YES, it was somewhat inspired by XKCD. HOWEVER, the premise is very different. XKCD is about sarcasm and technology and geeky stuff. AMOF is about obscure facts.

Here's the first two I have done:





Anyone like it? Anyone hate it? Any feedback?
What do you think?

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 19:30 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2008 19:30
I don't find it funny. Make wittier comments... possibly recent facts to do with today and it will be cool

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 19:33
Those are just the first two I have done, I have a whole notebook full of weird facts. Thanks for the feedback.
Admittedly, those weren't the best facts to do first, I just picked two at random.
Anyone else?

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics

But in all seriousness. I quite like the idea of Random facts part, but the jokes will have to be better.

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Oh,wow. I'll have to finish watching that later. Gotta get back to my assignment. I'm actually thinking of getting one of my friends to do the art. She can actually draw.

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 20:13
I like the idea of it being about odd facts. Good luck with this.

Quote: "I'm actually thinking of getting one of my friends to do the art."


Sounds like a good idea, because the only problem I have with the current art style is that it looks very "MS paint-y", if that makes sense

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 20:23
It makes sense, but its actually "Adobe Flash-y".

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ahhh, I see
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Off topic, but Holy Crap Bigadd your signature is amazing.

I do like the style of comedy but I think the art can be touched up just a little bit to really sell it. Try inkscape!

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 20:47 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2008 20:51
Actually, I am officially getting my friend Heather to do the drawing. She is actually a talented anime artist, although she does other stuff, too.

Should I do it anime style, or a more American-cartoon style?
I'm leaning towards the more comical American cartoonish stuff.

EDIT: Here's a rough example of a quick anime drawing she did:



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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 23:31
I liked both of these jokes man. Better than most web comics I read, which usually have extremely obscure and unfunny jokes in them.

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I doubt anyone would actually say "Lol". Just make him say Haha or something.


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Quote: "I doubt anyone would actually say "Lol". "

My mate says lol in everyday conversations.haha



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Posted: 2nd Dec 2008 23:45
I like them. First one's neat.


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Posted: 3rd Dec 2008 02:00
I thought they were amusing.

Quote: "My mate says lol in everyday conversations.haha"

So do mine. We hang out with the wrong people I think.

Quote: "Should I do it anime style, or a more American-cartoon style?"

What does the latter look like?

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Quote: "I doubt anyone would actually say "Lol""

I can name at least fifteen people from my class alone who say "lol" on a regular basis.
One of the teachers from my department says lol, but he really only does it to be ironic about how we all use it so often.
Quote: "What does the latter look like?"

I don't have any examples of her non-anime work handy, but we've already decided to go with the anime-style. she is a good bit better at anime than goofy tom and jerry cartoon styles.

ANd thanks for all the feedback guys. I really do appreciate it.

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I say LOL IRL. I say IRL IRL too. And ROFL. I also say OMG and WTF.

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Quote: "Off topic, but Holy Crap Bigadd your signature is amazing."

Why thank you sir! I quite like it also.

Although I haven't got the animation quite right, It really was a bugger to do!



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Where did you get the facts from?

I mean 69 kids over 40 years, means if she was pregnant constantly, like had a kid then got preggers the same day, then she'd have 53 kids. To make it to 69, she'd have to have twins or triplets like 10 times!


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To have 69 kids over 40 years means she was..busy. A lot. Wow.


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Quote: "Where did you get the facts from?"

The internet! And if its on the internet you KNOW it must be true...
But yes, the site did say that most of the pregnancies were twins or triples.

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Quote: "But yes, the site did say that most of the pregnancies were twins or triples."

Citation needed!

Stay away from anime stuff, basically, it sucks and does not work for a webcomic (IMO).


Also i deem anyone who uses internet abbreviations in real life to be one sad individual.


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Posted: 3rd Dec 2008 20:52 Edited at: 3rd Dec 2008 20:53
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bingbin/
Just do a search on the page for "69".
Its from a Carnegie Mellon website, so I'm pretty sure its reliable.
The direct Quote of the fact is:
Quote: "The largest number of children born to one woman is recorded at 69. From 1725-1765, a Russian peasant woman gave birth to 16 sets of twins, 7 sets of triplets, and 4 sets of quadruplets."


EDIT:
I just realized that I put the wrong century in the comic. 1725-1765 would be the 18 century.

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Quote: "Stay away from anime stuff, basically, it sucks and does not work for a webcomic (IMO)."

Every one together!

OoooooOOOOOOoooooooh.

Basically animé is probably the most used art from in webcomics, you know. (Or at least I think)

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I like the last bit of the second one. Although the whole thing seems like you've thought of a punchline and then thought up a really nonsensical story or setup to go with it. For example, why would he be going on about some Russian woman? I don't see why not, but it just seems like I could insert any random setup and the punchline would not be affected in any way.

Good start though.

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Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I think I should make a couple of "origin story" kind of comics. I'll probably just do a few introductory comics explaining why he's spewing random facts.
I'll say he's compiling a book of the weirdest, funniest, and most obscure facts. Think that will work?

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Good luck, though you'll definitely need a lot of work to get it all right. I really hope you can get your friend to help you with it. Though I'm not crazy about the enormous amount of anime style web comics out there, I always appreciate more attention to art over cg stick figures.

If you keep going with it though, you'll get it. Proof is how nearly every Web comic starts off not too hot, and gets better as time goes on. Just stick with it.

Also, I'm not sure how may art/comic people are out there, but xkcd is actually very well layed out and pretty much makes an art out of stick figures. The artist is also pretty good, if you look at when they draw detailed objects.

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Quote: " Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I think I should make a couple of "origin story" kind of comics. I'll probably just do a few introductory comics explaining why he's spewing random facts.
I'll say he's compiling a book of the weirdest, funniest, and most obscure facts. Think that will work?"


Yeah, that'll certainly help. But make sure the punchline is unique to the setup. Something that could only be used for that situation. They feed off each other, you know?

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Quote: "Basically animé is probably the most used art from in webcomics, you know. (Or at least I think)"

Just because its popular, does not mean it is good. For some reason i've never been a fan of anime or manga. I just can't get into the voice acting/art style/general story of any of the things i have watched or read.


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I can't see how AMOF would be good in an Anime setting. It's dealing with a Western custom of World Records, not something most people would think of as Japanese. (Though I'm sure the Japanese do have similar customs)

If you think of Anime as an artstyle, rather than a cultural thing (which is certainly is also), it still doesn't make much sense, since as an art form, with Anime, I expect action and intrigue, and a bit of physical comedy... Maybe soem adult themes, wink wink nudge nudge.

But in this comic, it wouldn't fit at all. Nope, I'd definitely go for an "American" style, or your current stick figure style.

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Actually, many of the facts come from other countries. For example:

!COMIC SPOILERS!


I kid you not.

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This comic would not work with anime, I just can't visualize it, I agree that an "American/Western Style" cartoon would fit better.
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I'm not disagreeing with you guys. I agree that a western art style would be better. I'm just saying that not all the facts are American.

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To be honest, Anime will be better. As they can be quite expressive, and also it's also different, a good way to stand out to other web comics.



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Quote: "I'm not disagreeing with you guys. I agree that a western art style would be better. I'm just saying that not all the facts are American."


I'm saying that. With Anime, it may seem odd reading an American fact, or might be read by the reader in a way that designates the characters as Japanese, and looking at the comic from a japanese cultural perspective.

Of course, thinking about it and seeing it is two different things. Make us an Anime strip and then we can vote

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Quote: "To be honest, Anime will be better. As they can be quite expressive, and also it's also different, a good way to stand out to other web comics."


...no, most web comics are at least partially manga based. It stands only only slightly more than cg stick figures, unless drawn with a very stand outish stlye. This is because of all the forms of comics to draw, most people who work on their art skills seem interested in the pretty clear cut formula anime uses to build its characters. I personally love how expressive manga can be, but most "anime" drawers you see on the web are western teenage girls who can draw pretty still figures from a frontal view and that's about it. I personally have met and know at least 20 girls like that, ranging from High School to College. Yeah, it's pretty common. I'm not trying to insult those people, so much as point out that a LOT of people do it.

I'd love to see how a comic with manga art looks though, I'll take ANYTHING over cg stick figures. Also, your friend seems to have weight shift and cloth down quite well, though I can't tell at all from that one if she can draw the same character twice, or in non frontal poses.

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Okay, I've got another project that would be better suited for anime style, and I'll be getting my friend's help with that instead, but I won't go into it now. I have pretty much decided for sure that AMOF will be western-style animation.
I got a computer drawing pen/tablet on Friday, and I gave drawing AMOF with that a shot. I'm really bad at drawing, so lower your expectations. I still think its better than the stick figures, though, and it'll be much more manageable than anime.
So, here's the first comic, redone by me with my new tablet.



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much better, if you keep practicing with the tablet you should get decent in no time. I can't say this comic specifically looks so much better than the stick figures, but it has a LOT more potential. But the joke itself is still pretty lacking. You need something more than just the fact itself, perhaps a visual pun or some sort of punch line, or anything beyond simply the actual fact.

To critique the artwork though on a fundamental level for the comic, the two panels you've given the most space really need it the least. To give an idea, you literally could give us the understanding a game system is being played just by showing the controller cord go off screen. The TV and game system is unneeded and has nothing to do with the comic. The middle panel has the most text, and would be much funnier with a depiction of a woman giving birth to 69 children behind the talker. In fact the simpler the drawing of the woman is (without being stick figures) the better it would work. Also, try to keep your text all the same size, unless a character is shouting or whispering. None of this is set in stone rules, just guidelines and suggestions.

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Quote: "http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics"


Lol, I knew that ineveitably, someone would post that....

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It WAS an awesome vid, I laughed the first time I saw it, back when I discovered zero punctuation.

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I like the new drawing style much more. If you go for it, you'll find you get better at drawing the comic as you go along. Now if you shore up your jokes, I think it could be really good.

Also, I noticed you reused the same frame all three times. Don't be afraid to spend some time on each comic! You should make each frame different, and interesting

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In Soviet Russia, 69 babies give birth to YOU!

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@ Bizar:
Thanks for the advice, that'll help me quite a bit. You're right about getting rid of the game system and TV, and the text being different sizes was an accident. Admittedly, that particular joke wasn't my strongest. The simple "lol, 69" probably isn't the best punchline for that comic. I'll try and think of a better one.
Thanks

@ Jerico:
Yes, I did reuse the same panel. I did that to save time so I could get an example up before I went to bed. I'll be redoing that comic more carefully, and drawing each thing by itself.

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Maybe it might work if you draw the comics as if they were in a game.
At the moment the viewer can't really make a connection with the characters.

For example, the background characters in games, could be chatting away with the main characters doing the usual stuff in the background.

But I don't know really, might get issues with copyrights etc, Just a thought.

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Quote: "if you draw the comics as if they were in a game."

No offense, but how would that fit in with the random fact thing?
Also, what do you mean by copyright issues? Who's copyrights would I be infringing?

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Quote: "No offense, but how would that fit in with the random fact thing"

It doesn't have to fit. It would probably add something extra to it. I would probably find more of a connection if it were two of the Marines talking to each other from Halo, than two random characters.

I meant copyright issues if you did the game idea.

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Ah, I see. If I did do the game thing, I wouldn't do any identifiable game. I'd do something more generic.
I'm going to do more build up to the actual part where he starts giving the facts, and I'm going to put a story behind this. I just don't have that part ready for viewing yet.
BTW, the two characters you've seen so far are supposed to be me and my younger brother.

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