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Geek Culture / Guitar Hero TTFAF...drum style?

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Insanity Complex
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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 02:34
Thought this was pretty crazy...wanted to share...wish I could do that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a497Hom8Gg


www.aeriagames.com <-They have some decent ones
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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 15:06
Seen it some time ago. Still cool...

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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 15:43
Seen it a while ago as well. That dude has some fast hands. Although with World Tour out with real drums I'm sure we'll see a lot more of the crazy stuff.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 18:51
This is better.


<yes, the link doesn't work, deal with it.>
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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 20:34 Edited at: 4th Dec 2008 20:36
This is insane!

Oolite:

I saw that awhile ago and thought it was cool, but it turns out it's viral advertising produced by a company hired any Activision, and the video is actually cut and edited several times, and there's a bit of CGI as well. Still a cool idea but not so much once you know it was done by a large studio with a several thousand dollar budget, and it's not even totally real.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 23:21 Edited at: 4th Dec 2008 23:22
This guy needs a real drumset. Badly. Though contrary to popular belief, Rockband drummers wouldn't be able to sit down in front of a real kit and keep a beat. He's basically rolling a bunch on a big huge snare drum, for all practicality anyway.

Tim Alexander of Primus might be the best drummer alive today. Watch from 1:42 and onward. He's absolutely disgusting on this kit... "sick" doesn't cut it . Primus isn't really a metal band, but go find me a metal drummer who can do what Alexander does, hehe. No sissy double-bass pedal for him! Anyway, back on the subject, Rockband can teach you some basics, and it can teach you how to keep time somewhat (a pretty big somewhat mind you), but I think it's time for the kid in that video to graduate onto real percussion and join us real drummers . That's one thing Rockband has that Guitar Hero will never have. You can't really learn *anything* about playing guitar by playing Guitar Hero, whereas Rockband does have redeeming qualities for aspiring drummers.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 23:35
Quote: "Rockband drummers wouldn't be able to sit down in front of a real kit and keep a beat. He's basically rolling a bunch on a big huge snare drum, for all practicality anyway.
"

What you saw there is basically just a guitar hero 3 controller made as a drum that plays the guitar song. Nothing involved with drums. Although in games like Guitar hero World tour I'm almost 100% sure that if you can play a song on expert and get a high score on it, you can play real drums just as fine. Seeing as those drums are so like real ones and the notes as well.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2008 23:37 Edited at: 4th Dec 2008 23:42
Matt:

Taken directly from the video's description:


Quote: "Q: Do you play real drums? Are you in a band?
A: Yes, I've been playing drums since 1986. I have been in various bands from Jazz to Ska over the years. Right now I'm in the Detroit-based ska band The Exceptions.
"




Also, you've obviously never tried playing an expert song on Rock Band or GHWT. To play anything moderately difficult at that level takes an incredible amount of timing.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2008 00:06
Basically from what I've heard, playing on expert in the newer games on drums is basically like actually playing the song on drums.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2008 22:12
The drum pads always reminded me more of bongos than a real snare drum.


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Posted: 5th Dec 2008 22:18
Looks like drums to me.

In our music class we have some "real" electronic drums and they look almost exactly like these.


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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 00:16
Quote: "The drum pads always reminded me more of bongos than a real snare drum."


Opinion.

Thanks for that, I know what they look like.


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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 00:25
Quote: "Looks like drums to me.
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Opinion as well.


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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 02:21
On a real kit you have foot pedals for both your hats and your bass drum. And that layout would drive me crazy lol, I put my snare between my legs, a mounted tom above that, a mounted tom to the right of that, then the floor toms off to the right side. I don't think I would like the game using that controller. And learning to play the song in Rockband doesn't equate to playing the song on a real kit... that's what I'm talking about. You aren't keeping time on the hats or the ride or cymbal bells, doing triplets on the bass drum and all that. You're basically rolling a bunch and going after pitch shifts on one drum .

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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 02:46 Edited at: 6th Dec 2008 02:47
Two things:

1. I know that that TTFAF thing requires skill, and I think he was an actual drummer, he demonstrated paradiddles and awesome sticking in that video. (awesome link by the way)

2. Not to shoot down your post Matt, I admit the guys good, but I've seen ten times better. I'm actually able to most of that, save for his absolute best, not even boasting.

This guy is crazy fast at double bass. Even if you don't like hardcore, check out 3:28 in this song. It's disgustingly fast double bass. There's fast, and then there's this.
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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 03:12 Edited at: 6th Dec 2008 03:19
He has one of those dual-cam fast release double bass pedals though doesn't he? If he does, he's cheating . At 0:10 you can see both of his legs moving but there's no hat action. If you gave him a normal DW5000 he'd only be about as fast as you or I. Or maybe he has some other sort of pedal that I don't recognize, but it looks like one of these.

Tim Alexander doesn't use a double pedal... that whole time he has a classic single, pretty amazing I think. I'm waiting for someone to produce a guy in a video with a single pedal whose faster though, I know he's out there in Youtube land somewhere .

Edit: About 3:05 to 4:00 in the Tim Alexander video, listen for the bass, it makes me wet myself lol.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 03:36
Being a good drummer isn't about being fast with bass pedals.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 04:50
My drummer can beat up your drummer.

And that sounds impossible to play that fast! How can any human do that? I heard it, that sounds like double bass to me. Picture how fast his foot must be moving.
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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 05:47
He's an insane drummer, Tim Alexander. He never gets any credit, lol. Les Claypool takes all of the credit from Primus but I honestly believe that Alexander is more talented... and that's a pretty difficult thing to say when you're talking about Les Claypool! The scariest part is that Tim is using a DW5000 pedal, the worst for speed really (compared to an Iron Cobra or a Speed King anyway). He uses double bass when recording, two full drums, but for his live shows and in his tutorial videos he uses one... it's nuts.

But it's not that difficult when you put it into context... if you watch my videos on You Tube I'm doing triplets on the bass that are almost that fast, he just does them much, much longer, lol. I think the lower half of my body would fall off if I tried to keep it going that long. But I can't use a double bass, I'm too hat-heavy for it. I use my hats as a central point of my timing and it'd be impossible (for me anyway) to do that while working a double bass.

Quote: "Being a good drummer isn't about being fast with bass pedals."

Very true, but being good on the bass while maintaining top form on everything else is very, very difficult. Rockband is primarily a hands game, but there's more to drumming than just hands. Controlling the hats with one foot, hitting the bass with the other, while doing something completely different with your hands, means your body is doing three very, very different things at once, and Rockband doesn't really train you for that. But it's a start, and that's more than anyone can say for Guitar Hero, hehe.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 08:06
Quote: "that's more than anyone can say for Guitar Hero"


Until they decided to get in on teh awesomeness that is Rockband and completely rip off their idea of having an ENTIRE band and not just a guitar.... so now it's not even guitar hero anymore, yet they still call it that! It's more like.... Band Hero or something.


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Posted: 6th Dec 2008 11:42
Quote: "
Until they decided to get in on teh awesomeness that is Rockband and completely rip off their idea of having an ENTIRE band and not just a guitar.... so now it's not even guitar hero anymore, yet they still call it that! It's more like.... Band Hero or something. "

Band Hero was registered by Activision but some people say that if idea of having whole band in Guitar Hero won't be approved by customers they'll release it as "World Tour" not as GH, while the orginal series will be guitar-only...
And IIRC "Band Hero" was registered while Harmonix was still making GH...

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 01:48
@ Matt:

I would like to see your videos, if you say you can do something like that. Sometimes I mistake the low tom for a bass drum, though, so it sounds much faster. haha
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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 04:29
Matt,

Quote: "Tim Alexander of Primus might be the best drummer alive today. Watch from 1:42 and onward. He's absolutely disgusting on this kit... "sick" doesn't cut it . Primus isn't really a metal band, but go find me a metal drummer who can do what Alexander does, hehe. No sissy double-bass pedal for him!"


he's very good drummer, but there's double bass all through this solo.

2:00 -2:40 is a series of hand/foot styled patterns. Mainly groups of 4,6,8 possibly some 3/5 and 7.. aka hands RLR, feet RLRL.

3:00-3:40 starts with a split single strokes on the hands. mirrored with the feet. Then moves into the 16th note feel double kick off the china, stepping back into a 1/2 time 8th note feel. To give an imply 32nd on the kicks

3:55 - back into the quad section (hands/feet combo). This one is stable diet of any stadium drum solo really. Simple but very effective.

If you can't tell in the over the should view, then it's really obvious in the front on view later in the solo around the 5 minute mark.

5:40 - 6:00 ish is another batch of quads/roll combinations. This runs into a long run of double bass 32nd notes (in 1/2 time feel) off the splash - It's obviously not one foot.

some nicer roll sections in here, but the crowd couldn't less about. so the last minute kind returns the quad combinations...

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 20:15
How is he doing the open/close hat work at the same time though? From around 3:20 to 3:30, he's briefly doing double bass but with partial hats. I've seen Primus live several times, the one time I was close enough to see Alexander's drumming, it was light enough to see that he wasn't using double bass, and I've read articles about him that said he didn't use double bass live. Maybe he switched for his newer shows though, he must be in his mid-40's by now and I doubt he's still as fast as he was in his Pork Soda/ Sailing the Seas of Cheese days .

@Inspire: The audio quality sucks something fierce, but this video has one brief example of what I meant, at around 2:55 to 3:00. Just a DW5000 pedal on a 22x18 bass, no double bass stuff. But it's only brief... I couldn't sustain that if my life depended on it. I go toe-foot-toe-foot-toe with my toe almost touching the chain. The longest I could keep that going is maybe a few seconds... you can even see in the video that it fades out when I try to return to it, lol. I do that all throughout the youtube videos but I think that's the best example I have online.

My bass doesn't reverb though, I'm in love with the straight thud bass sound. I have a wooly blanket that the bass player's mom brought home for me from Nepal, best bass drum muffler of all time . I could be a millionaire rock star on my fifteenth world tour and I'd still have that blanket in my bass, lol.

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