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Phaelax
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Posted: 27th Feb 2009 01:02
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Found this website on an automotive forum, it keeps track of repairs and fuel mileage for many cars. The stats are updated by people who own the cars. It's a little better idea of a car's reliability over time than the 1-day test drive by Car and Driver. So if you're in the market for a used car, give this a look. If you register your car with them and update the info with your trips to the repair shop, then you can view all their data for free; otherwise I think you have to pay. Registration is free.

http://www.truedelta.com/

Apparenly, BMW 3-series go in to the shop a lot. But considering there's a million of them on the road....

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Oolite
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Posted: 27th Feb 2009 22:44
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Awesome, bookmarked.
In the past year i've had this car, i've had my clutch replaced and a few months ago my head gasket blew, then they found out my brake cylinders were leaking, my rear axles were broken and my rollbar was hanging off. That was damn expensive. Then again, my little old car has done 80k now. Maybe when i got a bit of extra cash in i'll be on the market for a new one, just hoping nothing else goes wrong with this car for now...
Did a 600 mile round trip the other day and it was perfectly fine though.

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El Goorf
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Posted: 28th Feb 2009 19:02
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theres a system like this in the UK, where every car's servicing history is kept on record, but you have to pay the DVLA to get the information >.>

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Dazzag
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Quote: "Apparenly, BMW 3-series go in to the shop a lot"
Yeah, a friends 330 was in the shop for ages, but mainly because of the not so good semi automatic gearbox thingy. I went for a real man's ( ) manual M3 and it's been fine so far. I live in fear of new wheels and servicing though Plus thanks to stupid work my new work hours means tonnes of slow traffic, which nicely means no decent motoring, and my mpg has raised above 20mpg, and is now at a very nice 23mpg. Whoop! Also Top Gear proved that a Prius going flat out around their test track was actually less economical than my M3 doing the same speeds. Ha, in your face! I fill up a lot though...

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 21:29
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I saw that episode. However, my car is built to compete with the M5 and therefore it would be nice to reach 23mpg in traffic. I only hit that on a clear freeway.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 22:06
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ROFL...

23Mpg... that's epic silliness. I do hope that's petrol and not diesel.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 22:07
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I used to get 16 on my older pickup truck I get about 25 on my newer pickup

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 22:11
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Quote: "I only hit that on a clear freeway"
To be fair it only actually went upto 23mpg once I did a few decent drives down the motorway. Seems to do a lot better at 100mph speeds. Hmm... Now just to handle flying off a wet road when flooring it in low gears...

Quote: "23Mpg... that's epic silliness. I do hope that's petrol and not diesel"
Of course. Diesel? On the other hand you can get some amazing mpg out of petrol these days. Was getting around 20-21mpg until it perked up a bit with 99 petrol. Interestingly my old Subaru turbo nutter effort used to get about 19mph most of the time (I had better work hours so could floor it a bit more).

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Unforunately, the highest grade we can get here is 94 unless you buy a separate can of octane booster. But that'll typically boost you to 105 octane or more and even at 400hp I don't think I want to risk burning that in my engine.

Quote: "23Mpg... that's epic silliness"

oh shut up and go drive your ugly smart car! Actually, my friend was gonna buy one of those until the dealership told him he'd be on a year-long waiting list. He bought a civic instead.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 22:29 Edited at: 1st Mar 2009 22:29
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You don't need a Smart car. Even a Scenic does better than that. And that's bloody huge.

I'd love to drive but it's not economically viable.

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Posted: 1st Mar 2009 22:45
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I'm a car nut so i couldn't give two craps about the environment, i'm all for good fuel economy though, purely out of being kind to my wallet.
Wouldn't mind an M3 though, not one bit.
I did overtake a DB9 on the motorway in my little old car the other day, i was quite proud of that until he clearly got pissed off at the fact some dirty white punto had overtook him and zoomed past me about 120mph (i was going a ton at the time).
Still, the satisfaction of overtaking it in the first place was good enough for me and like watching a sexy woman walk away from me after desperately trying to get her to sleep with me, i got to watch it speed off into the distance.
Good stuff.

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When you say you overtook the DB9, do you mean you drove passed him or you actually raced(with him knowing)?

I tried to race a porche last summer. I thought I might have a chance considering which porche most ppl drive around here. When he passed me I read GT3 on the side..... Yea I gave up without much choice.

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Quote: "Unforunately, the highest grade we can get here is 94"
Yeah, lowest we can get is 95, and mine won't even take below 97 (well it can, but it doesn't like it much, and most sport cars are tuned to 97+). I normally fill up with 99. But you would pale at the cost of petrol over here.

Quote: "When you say you overtook the DB9, do you mean you drove passed him or you actually raced(with him knowing)?"
Yeah, I was going to say. Unless your Punto has Nitro (which can take a shopping trolley past a supercar although you will end up dead at some point thanks to rubbish car setup) then no chance. I'm surprised he was annoyed. I had an old Calibra Turbo pass me like I was nothing when I was doing 100mph on the motorway the other day. Bet it would take him a lot longer to get to that speed than mine though. Actually caught up with him at a junction shortly later and he became dust on my horizon pretty quickly

Quote: "I tried to race a porche last summer. I thought I might have a chance considering which porche most ppl drive around here. When he passed me I read GT3 on the side"
Heh, yeah... Mine does about 4.9 0-60 and about 10.5 0-100 apparently, so I assume the same sort of thing. I had a slightly slower Scooby before and have made the same mistake.

For better mpg then I can drive my bird's Elise. It's the upgraded one so is nutterly fast to 60 (4.9 again), and does over 30mpg! Whoop! Unfortuantly it really hurts to get in and out of it, rattles like billio, has no mod cons whatsoever (hole for radio was an option), is so low that no-one can see you, and has the breaks of a truck. Rubbish car. On the hand is awesome to drive at speed and looks amazing.

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Quote: "When you say you overtook the DB9, do you mean you drove passed him or you actually raced(with him knowing)?"

I didn't realise it was a DB9 till i moved into the middle lane and looked in the rear view, no chance would i be racing that thing. I did have a race down a huge stretch of the m5 with four (quite attractive) girls in a yaris, that was fun but i was ashamed that none of them slipped nipple to get me to mess up...
I regularly make the drive from Wolverhampton to Falmouth so i get impatient and speed a lot. I can get my car to a comfortable 115 before it starts shaking at around 120, i thought these things were limited to 98 so something must be wrong with it.
The old man has a 4.0 litre jag, that thing can fly, but drinks like it is being constantly fed crackers and cheese. I've driven it from Wolvo to Manchester before, those heated/vibrating seats are a bloody dream.

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2009 20:22
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Woohoo! I just got my first car!

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Is it going to be reliable?

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Phaelax
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Quote: "The old man has a 4.0 litre jag, that thing can fly"

Add a supercharger and that's the one I got.

Quote: "Rubbish car[elise]"

That's a shame, I really was looking forward to getting one some day. Although, considering how it looks I'm sure its a chick magnet. Aren't you the one who had their lotus rear-ended like a year ago? I just had an escalade smash into the back of me a few weeks ago.

Quote: "Mine does about 4.9 0-60"

Beats mine, I'm only at 5.3sec. But then again, my car also weighs over 2 tons.


My friend's sister swears to me that she had her mom's PT Cruiser up to 175mph (because thats what the GPS said). I was quite amused as I pointed out the car's massive weight and tiny engine, not to mention it has the aerodynamics of a brick wall.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2009 09:40
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Quote: "That's a shame, I really was looking forward to getting one some day"
I was the same way a few years ago. The newer ones might be slightly nicer (I heard they have electric windows, ABS, and even power steering) but still sucks to get into/out of and all the rest of it. Heh, don't believe anyone who says it is so light it doesn't need power steering, it still performs like a truck in a car park.

Quote: "considering how it looks I'm sure its a chick magnet"
Sort of. These days it's getting more of a reputation as a bird's car. Personally I would rather go for the Exige.

Quote: "Aren't you the one who had their lotus rear-ended like a year ago?"
Yes, although I can't remember ever mentioning it here... Basically no-one can see you. My car is hardly massively high (avoid all pavements when parking) but looks like a bus when sitting next to it in the Elise.

Quote: "My friend's sister swears to me that she had her mom's PT Cruiser up to 175mph"
Yeah, doubtful unless it was falling off a cliff at the time. Most of them are restricted to about 160mph. Even mine is about 165mph even though it can apparently do about 185mph if it was unrestricted. It has this nifty LED rev counter that shows you where you shouldn't really rev above based on the temp of the car. Throws you a bit if you are booting it then realise you may damage the engine at that rev limit. Not good when is always really cold at the minute. Stupid thing almost drives itself in the morning (sounds like revving it when on the brake and even moves forward on it's own which just doesn't really happen in a manual).

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Quote: "Yes, although I can't remember ever mentioning it here... Basically no-one can see you. My car is hardly massively high (avoid all pavements when parking) but looks like a bus when sitting next to it in the Elise."


You did, you even posted pictures!

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Quote: "You did, you even posted pictures!"
Not me. Infact first time I took pictures of her car was today as it happens. Never before. This does ring a bell though. Someone else on the forums had a smash basically. Was it a red Lotus?

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Yeah, the red Lotus, I remember that... who was it? I had a tear in my eye when I saw that. I'm misting just remembering it . That's one of my dream cars. Ferrari F430, Aston Martin Vanquish (though I'd settle for a DB9), and a Lotus Elise are always on the top of the list.

I've been thinking lately about what car I'd buy if I could afford to buy a new one. Considering reasonable pricing, fun-factor behind the wheel, and general performance, I'm between a MINI Cooper S and a Mitsubishi Evo X. Fun and nifty versus handling and power. The MINI is more "me," but the Evo is a mean little car for that price range, and living in the land of Nor'easters (winter hurricanes, that's the only way to describe it easily), having a car that drives better in the snow than an SUV is a good thing I think.

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It was Frap wasn't it?


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Yep, that's the one... ugh, so sad .

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Quote: "Yeah, the red Lotus, I remember that... who was it?"
Dunno. I couldn't remember the colour of the other guy's Elise, but my bird's one is red. Test drive an Elise quite a bit though. It's not to everyones taste. Plus only the newer ones have got anything approaching decent equipment.

Quote: "Mitsubishi Evo X"
Get the older one. It's better apparently and looks a lot better. Plus they are more expensive (for a good one) than an Elise. Why then not get an Elise if you really like it? For consideribly cheaper (and very similar thrills) then consider a Scooby. I used to have one and still have a tear in my eye for the handling it has (M3 is awesome but not in the same league for handling). Unfortuantly an older one is a *lot* better looking.

Quote: "MINI Cooper S"
Get the Works one. Seriously powerful stuff for such a small car.

Quote: "having a car that drives better in the snow than an SUV"
Hmmm, dunno about that. My Scooby was also based on rally cars, but once you hit ice you may as well have been driving a lollipop. Slide slide, skid, crash etc. Awesome in pretty much any other conditions though (I never got that fish tailing you can get when flooring it on a corner in the wet for example).

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My friend's ex has a mini cooper S. I'm not a fan of it but they loved it. But just to warn you, expensive oil changes. I think it used a special bmw-specific oil which the turbo shared.

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I didn't hear that about the oil for the MINI, I did hear that maintenance was horrific though. About the Evo, I'd have to look at the older ones first, but I'm not incredibly keen on used cars... dunno, I'm neurotic lol, but thinking about things people do in cars, it sort of ruins buying used ones.

My problem is that my girlfriend doesn't know how to drive manual (well, she can't really drive automatic either ). So if I were made suddenly rich tomorrow and bought two cars, one would have to be automatic and the other manual, though I can't imagine the MINI or the Evo with anything less than a manual transmission.

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Quote: "Evo with anything less than a manual transmission"
Never heard of one with 1) Auto 2) Deisel 3) Estate

Quote: "About the Evo, I'd have to look at the older ones first"
You said Evo X, which is the brand new one. Depending on what you want to pay I'd say Evo 6-9 is the best bet. Plus they look a lot meaner and apparently feel better to drive. I almost went for one instead of the M3. If you can stretch to it then look at 360 models. 0-60 is somewhere around 3.9 secs. A 340 or 320 (there are rare inbetweens too) are also good comprimises, with even a 300 getting about 4.9. Just don't get a 260. Not quite the same... There is also a 400, but apparently that is almost undriveable (0-60 in about 3.5 secs though...)

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The thing with used cars of this type is that people who buy them typically run them harder than if it were a Corolla or something. Used market is fine for average cars but question the sporty ones with prices too good to be true. Clutch or tranny may need replaced, that's usually the most common since people can't seem to drive a manual properly.

I saw an Audi S6 the other night. Not too keen on Audis other than the RS8, but something about it kept me staring. So I looked up the stats on the S6. Simply put, its an Audi S-type R more or less. About the same power, weight, and almost as good luxury. Price seems to be about the same.

I'm sure I'd have a blast in an Evo, but I'm too picky with interior quality to ever buy one.

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Let me just say the magic phrase - Japanese Import (for UK drivers). Used cars in top condition, with low milage, at cheaper prices. The Japanese just look after their cars better, where as we just leave them to rot and drive on horrific salted roads that corrode everything into oblivion.

As for the Evo X, I have never liked the look of Evos. I think they just have the proportions wrong, and just look ugly. I'm not a fan of scooby's for the same reason. Quality cars lacking good looks. However, I really like the Evo X - I think it's the first 'good looking' and it's one I'd consider buying in a few years when the Japs start flogging their better quality used versions.


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My dream car Pretty cheap one

The Noble team seems to be testing this prototype currently.


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Quote: "it's one I'd consider buying in a few years"
What, rather than the new GTR? Shock....

Incidentally I almost got a TVR, but was concerned about the amount of time standing on the side of the road in a dayglo top It's lovely though!



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The new GTR is quality, but about £20k more, off the top of my head. That probably translates to about £5-£10k when I would consider buying one.

I guess I'd try both. But with the amount of points I have, buying either would be a bit pointless to be honest.


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I'm curious Fallout, how many points do you have?


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I'm betting 9 with the car he has. One camera short of oblivion My saviour has been work hours changing to be annoying and mainly driving through jams. 0-60 goes from about 4.9 secs to about half an hour

BTW, anyone heard that rumour that the government is considering 50mph limits on the main roads? God, talk about even worse! Just when I heard that rumour about motorways getting 80mph limits. Damn... If the germans had won the war then we may have been speaking german, but we would have been doing 120mph down the motorways (motorbahns?), erm, legally... In our german cars... Hmm..

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I have 6, which is still 6 too much. I also went past a mobile camera van a few days ago doing about 35 or 36 in a 30. I was tootling along, minding my own business, on an empty road with no pedestrians. If they get me for that, I will be very upset.

The 50mph rumour is upsetting, but the "6 points for speeding" rumour is even worse! That's a 2 strikes and you're out policy. I would already be banned. And really, both occasions where I have been stopped and given points were not due to careless driving. 1 was 60mph on a 50mph dual carriageway, which was empty. And 90mph on the motorway, when people in the fast lane were doing the same speed as me. It's victimization I tell thee!


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Gutting, i've got 3. For running a red light at 60 in a 40 zone. Didn't catch me on the speed though. I remember it was the middle of the night and noone was around. I was fiddling with my raio and when i looked up the light went from amber to red. Too late to stop.


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Quote: "Too late to stop."

I'm sure your speed had nothing to do with this.

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Quote: "And 90mph on the motorway, when people in the fast lane were doing the same speed as me"
Down here it's pretty much 90mph to stay in the slow lane. The other two lanes are much faster. Go further north and it all slows down massively.

Quote: "when i looked up the light went from amber to red"
Move to Cyprus. It's still a bit weird to wait at a red light when people have crossed the road already.

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Stop talking about all those majestic expensive dream-cars... In Denmark there is this extra-taxation on cars, so we have to pay 180% fee when we buy a new car... Example:

Dream car: £10 000
Tax: 25% = £2 500
Fee: 180% = £18 000

Total: £30 500

So a £10k car actually costs £30,5k in Denmark... And what do we get in return? Free healthcare? Pff....

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Ouch.

Second hand isn't that bad. Is there a fee on that?

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Quote: "My problem is that my girlfriend doesn't know how to drive manual"


I'd just like to point out, there's nothing like learning to drive a manual than buying a manual car and having to use it. That's how I learned to drive a stick I managed to pull out of the car lot without stalling it too

That said, I did study for a number of days all the tips on driving a manual, so I knew everything there was to know about doing it, just... no real life practice

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Not if the car is already registered. But it still increases the price on all cars, even second-hand ones (if the car was expensive initially, then it's still going to be pretty expensive when it's resold second-hand).

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Dazzag
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 10:27 Edited at: 12th Mar 2009 10:28
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Quote: "That's how I learned to drive a stick"
Interestingly we don't call it stick. Most people here don't call it anything really (manual if you are pushed), as just about everybody drives a manual. Automatic is a bit like driving an estate (or a few years ago a diesel). ie. you are a bit of a numpty if you do. As it happens you can do your driving test for automatic cars but that means you are not allowed to drive a manual. Do the proper test and you can drive automatic cars as they are practically bumper cars at the fair (except they don't go into reverse when you let go of the accelerator)

Quote: "But it still increases the price on all cars"
Yeah, when I was in Cyprus the duty for a normal person to bring in a car was stupid (even though in the EU), which made all the second hand car prices stupidely high (even for the UK where they are stupidely high anyhows). If I was to export my M3 I think it works out to about 12 thousand Euros. And that has about halved in recent years thanks to slightly nicer government rules...

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Matt Rock
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Posted: 12th Mar 2009 15:43
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Quote: "As it happens you can do your driving test for automatic cars but that means you are not allowed to drive a manual."

I wish we did that in the United States. It isn't entirely uncommon here to see someone slaughtering a clutch because they don't really understand the dynamics of how to drive a proper car. I got into a discussion a few years ago with a friend about dream cars and whatnot. He said his number-one dream car would be a Lambo Guillardo, but since they probably don't make "automatic versions," he'd have to settle for a Corvette. I probably could have told him they have the clutch-less flappy-panel gear box, but in the offset chance he might win the lottery and buy a Lambo, I decided to agree. I really do try to make the world a better place . And who goes from Lambo to Corvette?

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bitJericho
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Quote: "I wish we did that in the United States. It isn't entirely uncommon here to see someone slaughtering a clutch because they don't really understand the dynamics of how to drive a proper car."


Not me I wouldn't have been able to buy a manual! Thing is, there's almost nobody out here that drives manual transmission vehicles. The last dealership I went to was even trying to keep me from getting a manual (saying autos were better).

Whatever

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Oolite
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This is what was always weird for me about you yanks, driving an automatic is not driving at all, you need a manual to really feel a car.
I've test driven a Aston with a flappy paddle gearbox, it liked to jump around a lot when changing gears, didn't really feel that satisfying anyway, Manual all the way.


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Matt Rock
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The only time I like driving automatics is in really heavy traffic. Constant stop and go gets on my last nerve, but other than that, I can't think of anything automatics are really good for. Maybe if you live in San Francisco, with all those hills, and there's a McLaren F1 behind you, and you're inexperienced enough to roll too far and smash up some other car, and you don't have insurance to cover you. There, that's a scenario in which having an automatic is valuable, lol.

Trust me, once you learn how to drive a manual, you'll never understand how you got on driving automatic .

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bitJericho
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Posted: 13th Mar 2009 23:01 Edited at: 13th Mar 2009 23:01
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I'm still not comfortable on big hills, and I've been driving a stick for years now. That's because there are no hills in my town. There's one hill, actually, but you don't have to stop on it

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25% tax? $180% fee? That's about as appealing as playing leapfrog with a unicorn!

I remember looking up importing cars to Australia because I had considered moving there. It's something like a 20% fee based on what they value the car at. Which really sucks for me because Jaguars apparently go for $200k in that country. It'd cost me more to import it than it did to buy it.


Wish my dream car only cost 10k. I have a dozen dream cars, some starting around 800k like the pagani zonda F.

I doubt anyone here has more points on their license than me. I could drive all day under the limit, and those few seconds I speed up to pass a semi I'll get pulled over. Happened 3 times last summer. I think I'm around 6pts right now, that's not counting the previous 13. But good thing is the points reset after you're forced to take a remedial driving course. But the class is useless because its designed for the 99% of other people there who were all suspended for DUIs or wreckless driving. I just speed a lot. Even the instructor was surprised to see me in there, but it didn't stop him from yelling for 8 hours about what horrible people we were and we'll kill innocent babies anytime we drive.

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One word, fuzzbuster

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