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SageTech
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Posted: 27th Mar 2009 22:18
Well, I haven't been very active on these forums for a while now, but Im sure Ill be spending a lot more time here now. Here's my story....

Basically, yesterday morning I was brought into the Vice Principal's Office of my High School. While I won't divulge what exactly I did, It warranted my forced withdraw from the school. Unfortunately, it involved my on campus job in the IT department, so now I'm out both of school and work.

It sucks, because I had a very good relationship with my boss, and now I cannot even use him as a reference for future employment, which Is completely understandable, but still sucks.

So what does someone midway through high school do at this point? I already have plans for going to a different school, but as for work, what can someone my age do?

On the bright side...maybe Ill fire up my copy of DBPro again and start being productive...always is a positive I suppose.


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Oolite
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Posted: 27th Mar 2009 22:47
I personally want to know what you did to get kicked out. Just being nosey.
Part time work comes in many forms and you can just go down to your local maccies and try there. No point being picky when you just need money.


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Mr Tank
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Posted: 27th Mar 2009 22:52 Edited at: 27th Mar 2009 22:52
I want to know what you did. Set fire to the place? Stole something? Must have been pretty bad to get you kicked out of school.

Anyway, everyone makes mistakes, not the end of the world etc. You can probably get a part time job in a supermarket if you need money. Presumably if you're in high school you don't need a whole lot of it. Think of it as an opportunity to meet people and improve your motor skills.

sprite
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Posted: 27th Mar 2009 22:56 Edited at: 27th Mar 2009 23:02
Depending on how bad the thing was you may have ended any chance of getting a good job.

Where I work one kid was kicked for hacking hes got a great job now cleaning public loos. Muck Ds would not give him a job thats how hard they come down on it. Not helped by the fact the uni took him court. That cost the guy alot of money and gave him a rap sheet.

Mind you he did delete a uni database that took over a week to recover and it was a reseach one. Only reason I remember this is the week I spent recovering it and I sleeped in the driver room.

I'll add something later on.
SageTech
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Posted: 28th Mar 2009 04:42
Oh fine. Basically, I used my admin privileges to access and then distribute the answers to a teachers test...many times. Needless to say they got wise to the grand scheme.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 28th Mar 2009 04:46 Edited at: 28th Mar 2009 04:47
Woops! But this is in HS? They'll kick you out for that in HS??

Back in my day, they would have simply taken away all computer privileges.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2009 04:58
I agree. The school shouldn't have kicked you out for that. They should have suspended you, or just take away your computer privileges, as Jerico2day suggested.

Really sorry to hear about that though, Sage.



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sprite
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:03 Edited at: 30th Mar 2009 02:04
Giving away test results was very stupid thing to do. You could have opened yourself up for much more than just getting fired and kicked out. Like being arrested on charges relating to computer misuse act, sued for personal data taken and time taken for retests ect.

While getting kicked out was a bit over the top. Finding a good school is going to be very hard now because the first thing they will do is ask the old one what you did. I hope your find a new one to take you on. Otherwise start looking at really crap jobs that no one wants as education means better jobs and better pay. No education no good jobs and the school will talk about this so local jobs are given going to be even harder to get.

Sorry to be harsh one here but I think you need to know just how bad things could have been and how they are going to be for you.

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Bozzy
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:11
I hate to put it like this, but basically, you may have wrecked your life.

puppyofkosh
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:23
Why did you do that?
MIDN90
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:30
Quote: "Why did you do that? "


Can you ask anything more obvious than that?
bergice
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:52
Quote: "I hate to put it like this, but basically, you may have wrecked your life."


I must say, THAT wrecked his life... Not much motivation in that or what?

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 02:54
Don't worry about it, if you're around the age for highschool then you've still got plenty of opportunities ahead of you. First things first, however. Take the GED, and then go right to college. If you're smart enough to hack their computer, there's nothing you have left to learn from highschool anyway. If you get into college this early, you'll have plenty of time to do whatever you want. As for jobs, well, everyone's already said it: go work at the supermarket or something. But at your age, you shouldn't worry about it too much.

Hope that helps.

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Don't do anything stupid like what you did, though.
aluseus GOD
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 03:23
That's exactly why I've never actually tried doing anything bad to the school network... They can hunt you DOWN.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 05:40
Abusing his own admin privileges isn't exactly a hack requiring skill or intelligence. Probably pretty much the exact opposite since once the authorities knew what was happening it would be easy to collect evidence to prove it.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 06:14
In a sense it's sort of good that they caught you. For instance, no one else will try to pull stunts like that, you were made as the example...

Also, it's good because now you've learned your lesson about cheating the system.

Third, get your GED and get your arse to summer sessions at your local community college...

At least you now have a head start for earning your degree... Just don't try to cheat that either.
aluseus GOD
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 06:28
I know. Use your programming skills and start a business like Bill Gates.

My eyes hurt. And AUS rocks. More people should try making quality 2d games.
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 11:57
You've been a very bad boy and need a solid whack on your behind. Go find somebody who has a fetish for whacking behinds, and promise never to commit such a dastardly act again.
Van B
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 13:54
Quote: "there's nothing you have left to learn from highschool anyway"


Maybe security polices, data protection act, control of sensitive data - and maybe finish on the reasons why it's a bad idea to email anything your not supposed to. You have to look at it from an employers point of view, it could easily be confidential information your sending out, peoples salaries, contact information, company credit card details. If you got paid for it, then there's no way it was worth it.

I'd be really concerned if I was you, with this on your record there's no way any IT department would employ you. If you really want to work in IT, I suggest taking a sideways approach, find a job that could expand into purely IT but won't require IT specific references. The most important thing though is to stop talking about it, you tell someone now, they join the company you work for in a few years, then they accidentally mention what you did.

I had a friend who got a job setting up a database in a small company, and he was pretty well geared up to be the database admin at the end of it - so he asked me for some advice on how to ensure that would happen. So I told him to make the system complex enough to rely on him, and he did just that... He set a user level password then went on holiday for a week without telling anyone the password!. Needless to say he got fired, and has never worked in IT since. There's a lot of skills involved in IT, beyond what you can do with a computer and these skills are never taught (often because IT teachers tend not to need them).


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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 14:06
While it was a stupid thing to do, and while in my eyes, it does deserve expulsion... I doubt a career 5 years down the track will look at a school report or even care about your high school. It's the degree that matters. I know for a fact that when I applied for my career, and even my university applications and interviews, none of them wanted to see school reports. It was the marks in my final exams, and my performance and attitude as a person in the interview which mattered.

If you find a new high school, do well, and get into university, then you have no real problems.

Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 14:59
It sure sucks for you right now. In the future it won't matter. You shouldn't have been distributing the answers to other people if you felt compelled to peek yourself. That's usually why people get caught doing stuff. How many people did you distribute the answers to anyway?


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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 15:26
School reports and high school records are one thing, it's a different matter altogether because he was working for the school, then distributed sensitive information.

You can't take anything for granted, it may well be forgotten in 5 years, but 5 years is a long way away. The last job he had was in IT, and he can't apply any of it to his resume. This is serious guys, he's probably lucky that he only got kicked out and sacked, it could very well have been a police matter, and there's simply no shaking that.


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Veron
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 15:30
Oh wait, you were WORKING at the school, not a student? Crap, that's serious then, and like Van B said, you're quite lucky that it didn't turn into a criminal case, or a criminal record.

bitJericho
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Posted: 30th Mar 2009 17:20
Well, he's young enough, when a future employer asks what he was doing through highschool, he can say "studying" and leave it at that

Seriously, just finish HS and go to college, I don't see how this could follow you around, unless you can't get into college because of it or something.

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