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Geek Culture / SPAM killing our planet?

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 10:36 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 10:46
No I am not talking about that awful stuff in tins that tries to pass itself off as food, but I refer you to this article on the BBC news website which reports that ICF International and McAfee have somehow measured the carbon footprint of spam.

I just thought it would be interesting to link this here. Do you think it is worth spending money and time on figuring out why spam is more troublesome than we originally thought, or would those resources be better spent actually fighting spam, which is already proved to be a nuisance anyway.

Discuss away!

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Ahem...

I forgot to add the link to the article because I am still half asleep. Thanks BATVINK for pointing out my idiocy !!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8001749.stm

Mnemonix
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 15:29
So spam is good for something then.
plants breathe and crave as much CO2 as possible, so if you like plants, the more the merrier. But ignore me, I'm just a hippie.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 22:00
17x10^6 tonnes of CO2 a year from spam = 17x10^9 kg

total mass of CO2 in atmosphere (natural and man made) = 3x10^15 kg (according to wikipedia)

So this makes an increase of 0.000000057% to the total CO2 in the atmosphere. When you look at it like that, it suddenly seems slightly insignificant. I hate the way the media hypes up these (pointless) studies...they could just as easily write a news article based on the same report, explaining how it shows spam CO2 is totally insignificant.

I personally believe it's far to early to be claiming human CO2 emmissions are the primary cause of climate change....it's going to take 100's of years for scientists to develop a better understanding of the mechanics of the earths climate.

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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 22:57
Quote: "So this makes an increase of 0.000000057% to the total CO2 in the atmosphere. When you look at it like that, it suddenly seems slightly insignificant. I hate the way the media hypes up these (pointless) studies...they could just as easily write a news article based on the same report, explaining how it shows spam CO2 is totally insignificant."


That argument is spurious. The eco-system on which life depends on this planet has always been finely balanced - a tiny shift in one direction can rapidly wipe out whole species or groups of species. The shift might be of natural origin from the planet itself, like a huge volcanic eruption, or from outside, like a huge meteor, or the activities of life itself. At the present time the small - but consistent - effect of mankind (especially over the last 200 years) is the greatest immediate threat to life as we know it on this planet. Fortunately (or more correctly hopefully) mankind is capable of understanding what it is doing.

In the case of spam the real question is "which is worse, spam or whatever would replace it?". I have no idea. Do you? It certainly raises the temperature on this forum.

Quote: "I personally believe it's far to early to be claiming human CO2 emmissions are the primary cause of climate change....it's going to take 100's of years for scientists to develop a better understanding of the mechanics of the earths climate."


True - but if it is, what then? No use being wise after the event. The only rational thing for mankind to do is to exercise caution in the face of the unknown. Just ask yourself what the consequences of the two errors might be:

1. controlling CO2 unnecessarily
2. failing to control CO2 when it is necessary.

Your "personal beliefs" (or mine for that matter) have nothing to do with it.
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:18
It's worth knowing that for every 1 'gram's worth of damage done by CO2, somewhere around 142 'grams' of damage are done by Chloro-fluro-carbons.

Drew Cameron
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:18
I agree with Robin, I am skeptical and uncertain as to how much or if mankind can be blamed for climate change.

I am also unsure of how "bad" climate change - if there is any - really is. People act like the world is going to end in 6 months because of it.

However I also agree we should be lowering our "carbon footprint" to be on the safe side and I like the idea of Mankind recycling and it's activities being totally renewable.

Michael P
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Posted: 21st Apr 2009 00:51
A similar idea I've been thinking about is: how much energy is wasted due to inefficient resource intensive software?

Mr Makealotofsmoke
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Posted: 22nd Apr 2009 06:09 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2009 06:09
lol i thought this was about the food

yo yo wats up?
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Posted: 24th Apr 2009 01:52 Edited at: 24th Apr 2009 01:54
Quote: "lol i thought this was about the food"


You're thinking of:



Quote: "However I also agree we should be lowering our "carbon footprint" to be on the safe side and I like the idea of Mankind recycling and it's activities being totally renewable."


I agree. Unfortunately, it's not always obvious what is the best action to take. Is it better to have lots of email garbage - or paper garbage coming through your letter box? I guess we can be certain it's better to have just one rather than both - or, better still, neither. Unless you're in advertising of course.

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