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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 08:35
My buddy came over that day from another state and we decided to chill for a while. We met up on the street corner, i waiting as he pulled up in his beaten up 1996 white jeep cherokee with tinted windows (a sketchy car isnt it?) As i was getting in, i noticed all the way down the street a cop car with its sirens on. we pulled over to the side, thinking it wasnt for us, but it was for us, We freaked out a little, then i noticed that not only from behind us, another cop car came out from the side street, and a third one from the front. Immediately the cop came up and started asking if we gave rides to anyone else earlier and where are we from, and where do we live and our IDs and both of out cellphone numbers. We had no idea whats going on because we weren't speeding or drinking or smoking anything.

As it turned out there was an armed robbery with the same white jeep as my friends (i always told him it was a sketchy car)

Anyway, they let us go, but now i am afraid that my cellphone is tapped. I started hearing strange beep sounds when talking to my friend. And i am afraid that when i call my friends, my phone could be tracked to their phone and i have some idea that people i call are in one or another way involved in something. most of these people are my friends and if they say something on the phone with me and cops hear it, they can track thenumber vie satellite.

A friend who studies criminal justice told me that the cops can track the phone even if its detached from the battery because something in the phone RFID or antenna or something is still emitting signal. I really dont want to get rid of my phone (and pay for a whole new one)because i got too attached to it, but i think ill have to.

I am paranoid. i dont even know why i am posting this, i guess it makes me feel better to get this off my chest.

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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 08:43
Well, if you're not doing anything wrong I wouldn't be too nervous. Sure, I wouldn't like people listening in, but you shouldn't have to worry.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 08:50
Are you sure your friend wasn't involved? j\k. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Like Uncle Sam said, if you haven't done anything wrong then I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just go about life as usual.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 09:02
Don't they need a warrant to tap your phone?

Oh wait, that was when we had freedom.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 09:11 Edited at: 27th Apr 2009 09:12
Quote: "I am paranoid. i dont even know why i am posting this, i guess it makes me feel better to get this off my chest."


I wouldn't worry to much they aren't looking for people who have more then 1 girlfriend .

No but in all seriousness I think its just you're paranoia that is causing you to think that. When I was 16-18 I always heard beeps in my phone, but it was a pay as you go thing too (expensive as heck). Ask yourself this "were you doing anything wrong to make you paranoid?" and "Why would the cops bug your phone?" Are you a kingpin and forgot to share that in your profile?

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 09:16
You should phone your friend and ask him if he's dumped those bodies and AK47's and see if the cops show up. If they don't, you've got nothing to worry about.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 09:27
oh yeah, thats a great idea!
soapyfish
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 09:51
They're probably monitoring your computer as well. I hope you delete that picture of a boob you drew in mspaint 4 years ago before they show up at your door and confiscate your hard drive.

Do not follow my advice. If we use The Wire as our legal advice here we can see that it actually takes a lot of time and effort by the police to setup a wiretap on someone's phone.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 12:47
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Grandma
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 13:39 Edited at: 27th Apr 2009 13:40
I hardly think anyone can track your phone if the battery is disconnected. RFID doesn't even have a realistic tracking range, unless the feds are inside that mysterious cardboard box that keeps changing locations at night, following you closely.

That clicking/beeping sound is a thing of the past. What 'they' use to tap phones with nowadays is a bit stealthier than that.

Quote: "You should phone your friend and ask him if he's dumped those bodies and AK47's and see if the cops show up. If they don't, you've got nothing to worry about."

I would have soo done that.
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 14:39
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 15:21
Change your number.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 15:54
Order a pizza online to your friend's house and say you're coming over and 'the package' will be arriving soon after. Proceed to tell him to make sure all his curtains are drawn and you'll make sure you aren't followed and see if anything happens.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 17:37
Quote: "Don't they need a warrant to tap your phone?

Oh wait, that was when we had freedom."

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 27th Apr 2009 23:54
i guess i am a little less paranoid now. Have not used my phone for the past 2 days tho.

I am attached to my phone it will be hard for me to part with it after all those minutes ive spent on it.

Just to give you an idea, it is an old samsung flipphone (no camera)its scrached up, and beaten up, took a lot of damage when i fell off my moped on the pavement but it still worked. It also had a large burn on it when my friend put a lighter flame to it.

but really, i dont remember any beeps before i gave the num to the cops.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 00:00
Maybe it beeped to signify it's dying....

My phone is a temporary one from my brother and it's also scratched and beat up. But at least it wasn't burned!

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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 00:37
Your specialist friend did something wrong there, without battery, no phone can be tracked. Especially not with RFID, not at that range.

Tapping nowadays is a good as unnoticable. If you can hear it, so could the big fish and they don't want that. Basically, either your phone is dying or you should recharge it more often.

Believe me, I'm a muslim after all, so I know my way aroun - oh.


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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 04:13
lol Rami
Darth Vader
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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 05:13
Quote: "Your specialist friend did something wrong there, without battery, no phone can be tracked. Especially not with RFID, not at that range.

Tapping nowadays is a good as unnoticable. If you can hear it, so could the big fish and they don't want that. Basically, either your phone is dying or you should recharge it more often.

Believe me, I'm a muslim after all, so I know my way aroun - oh."

Take it from Rami. He tried to tap my phone once! But he used the wrong equipment and all I could hear was a squawking parrot in the phone!


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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 07:23


Haha.

I seriously doubt your phone's been tapped. However, I don't know much on the subject, so I could be wrong. At any rate, if it's old and beat-up, you should seriously get a new one anyway.

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Toasty Fresh
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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 07:24
Quote: "Have not used my phone for the past 2 days tho.
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That's really the worst thing you can do. The cops might suspect you of using a different phone to avoid being overheard...

Just use it as normal. So long as you're not breaking the law, why should you care what the cops think of your life?

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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 08:16
Quote: "So long as you're not breaking the law, why should you care what the cops think of your life?"




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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 09:47
I really don't see why you're worried. Like Toasty said, if you're not doing anything wrong, then who cares?

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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 09:50 Edited at: 28th Apr 2009 09:52
From what you've said, I can't see any reason why the police would remotely care to tap your phone. And, seeing as how this incident with the police was recent, or so it seems, then I highly doubt you have anything to worry about. Tapping a cell phone is not an easy task. They need to work out what type of phone you have, who your service provider is, and a bunch of other stuff. It takes weeks, literally, to get into a cell phone. And unless they think you're a terrorist, which isn't very likely, they do still need a warrant to tap your phone.

My real last name sounds slightly arabic, apparently, and I've experienced racial profiling first hand as a result. I flew cross-country to Washington state back when my girlfriend lived in Spokane. I'm a smoker, so naturally I wanted a cigarette when the plane landed at various airports. Each time I went outside the terminal, they searched me and my bags. I had these four little S's in the bottom of the ticket (so it looked like "SSSS"), which indicated that I MIGHT be a terrorist. Why? Because my name sounds slightly arabic, and I had baggy pants on with a Radiohead T-shirt, so naturally, I must be an anarchist terrorist... uh... something else that ends with "ist." Anyway, when I got home, my phone was doing the same thing, weird beeps and clicks. I talked to a friend who was a cop, and they said not to worry, I was just being paranoid. So I pass it to you, lol: don't worry, you're just being paranoid .

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Posted: 28th Apr 2009 11:29
Quote: "My real last name sounds slightly arabic, apparently"


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@soapyfish. I play airsoft while listening to music

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Posted: 29th Apr 2009 21:10
Quote: "Well, if you're not doing anything wrong I wouldn't be too nervous. Sure, I wouldn't like people listening in, but you shouldn't have to worry. "


You should be very nervous. I seriously would have considered not giving them my cell phone number.

That said, it's likely they might check your phone records. They may also track you through your cell if they decide they want to arrest you and they can't locate you.

I wouldn't be too worried since you didn't do anything wrong, but to say "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear" is a dangerous attitude.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2009 21:31 Edited at: 29th Apr 2009 21:32
Quote: "You should be very nervous. I seriously would have considered not giving them my cell phone number.

That said, it's likely they might check your phone records. They may also track you through your cell if they decide they want to arrest you and they can't locate you.

I wouldn't be too worried since you didn't do anything wrong, but to say "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear" is a dangerous attitude.
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Um, I don't think you have a choice of whether or not to give the police your number. They either take it, or if you refuse, they take you in.

I don't understand your logic. First you say, "You should be very nervous", and then you say, "I wouldn't be too worried"? If he really didn't do anything wrong and is going about life normally, why should he be concerned if the police are listening in or not? Only a criminal would have good reason to be wary.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2009 21:43 Edited at: 29th Apr 2009 21:45
He should be nervous when people ask for his personal information. He did nothing wrong.

That said, he shouldn't be too worried cuz he didnt do anything wrong.

Quote: "I don't understand your logic. First you say, "You should be very nervous", and then you say, "I wouldn't be too worried"? If he really didn't do anything wrong and is going about life normally, why should he be concerned if the police are listening in or not? Only a criminal would have good reason to be wary."


Only criminals have to be wary. Also, only good citizens who are targeted by police acting as criminals.

PS. I might have given my number too, only to keep the cops from arresting me and thinking I'm some kind of robber. However, I wouldn't give it up and be comfortable about it.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 07:44 Edited at: 30th Apr 2009 07:46
people who i call and talk to do things like deal drugs and stuff, and if they say something on the phone that may be overheard, that can get them into trouble. I dont want that.

on the other hand yes my worry is kinda stupid, because i higly doubt anyone would track my phone, on the other hand the police dept of my town is very bored since nothing ever happens so they might

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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 19:02
Don't worry man
If it is tapped, they are looking for serious crimes, if one of your friends lets slip they smoked a dooby the cops arent going to care.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 19:22
Quote: "cops can track the phone even if its detached from the battery because something in the phone RFID or antenna or something is still emitting signal"


Actually, that is partially true. Some phones (not all) can still be used as a monitoring device even without the battery. RFID has nothing to do with it, however. I was a digital forensic major and we had discussion over this technology. I can't say for sure how it works exactly, but it exists. But I doubt police would have such equipment to do so.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 19:55 Edited at: 30th Apr 2009 20:02
Were you given some kind of record of the stop? The only time I've been talked to by the police I was walking past a school that had been broken into and was a little tipsy. I was asked for my Name, Address, DOB, Height, Sex, to describe what I wearing and to define my ethnicity. The bobby also wrote down where I was stopped and at what time. Then I got a complete copy of the form to take away with me.

Thinking about it now, it's a bit odd that I wasn't asked for my number but obviously my address is more than enough.

Anyway, my point being I probably didn't HAVE to give him any information at all (I had a friend with me who was completely sober and he was asked for his name, at which point the copper realised he was sober and tore the form up lol) but that would just have made me look a bit dodgy. I'm all for my rights to keep my personal information to myself but only when I think there's a reason to withhold it.

I'd guess your from the US so it may be different over there but if you did get some kind of record it might be something to hang onto. I still think you're being a bit paranoid though but absolutely no offence is meant by that.

EDIT:: I've just read the back of the form and it states:

"Stops are police/public encounters that do not take place under any statutory powers and do not lead to an arrest or a search. Police officers must record these where they request a person in a public place to account for themselves, i.e. their actions, behavior, presence in an area or possession of anything.

This requirement does not apply to general conversations such as giving directions, seeking witnesses or seeking general information.

A record of such an encounter must always be made when these criteria are met. A record must also be made when a person requests it, regardless of whether the criteria are met."

Again, in the US the law could be completely different.

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Quote: "people who i call and talk to do things like deal drugs and stuff, and if they say something on the phone that may be overheard, that can get them into trouble. I dont want that."


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If only I had your phone number, I would totally freak you out with this: http://www.freerebelart.net/. Good times.

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Is there an icecream van parked outside your house?
They could be watching you!
Try saying things like "the white dove flies east tonight..." and see if a swat team comes crashing through the windows!

Hey maybe this is a case of mistaken identity, maybe the government think you are a terrorist because some guy dropped a disc into your bag when you were buying lingerie for your wife and now the government is hunting you down. You never know when you are being watched or listened to and there's no one you can trust, that is until you befriend and old man who has been subject to the same government conspiricy!

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Posted: 1st May 2009 12:16
You watch too many movie, OBese87.

Quote: "I suggest you find new friends."

I know this wasn't aimed at me, but my best friend deals drugs and he's the most down-to-earth and nicest person I know when not doing business. I would be the bad guy for leaving him just for that. And why should I? It's not like he deals with stuff as potent as say alcohol, and that is legal.

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Quote: "You watch too many movie, OBese87."

Enemy Of The State to be precise

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Posted: 2nd May 2009 00:18
First. They wouldnt do it. Its unconstitutional (Isn't it? :S)

Second. If they wanted to tap your phone, they'd make it unnoticable.

Third. They'd probally need a warrant for that sort of thing.
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