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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 10th May 2009 08:19
If it's not as easily transmissible, how would we all die from it if it got aboard a fully loaded 747?

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But it's not as easily transmissible as swine flu which is the whole point I was making."


I know what you where meaning, but that is to say a pistol is worse then a nuke, because there are more of them. It is all about perspective, pistols have killed more people and done more total damage then a nuke, but I rather see a few shootings in my neighborhood then a nuke go of, say, three miles away.

And as a note, Ebola is transmitted with body fluids.

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Quote: "And as a note, Ebola is transmitted with body fluids."

For humans, yes, I remember reading that when there was the outbreak in Virginia it was airborne(but that was for monkeys).
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I haven't been listening to the news very much the past few months, but last I heard a grand total of 0 people in the US have died of the Swine Flu. And I'm sure all those who died of it in Mexico all had compromised immune systems, so their bodies couldn't fight it at all. If you're weak enough, even the common cold could kill you. I'd like to see the numbers of how many people have the common cold!

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Posted: 11th May 2009 04:50
You guys will likely survive it in the unlikely event you get it. I've been through this panic a few times. In the 50's when the Asian Flu hit the US I was a boy, got it, and survived. In the 60's when the Hong Kong flu spread I was in college, got it, and survived. In the 70's when a version of the Swine Flu was expected (based on one fatality in my home state of New Jersey) and the President (Gerald Ford) was trying to get the whole nation vaccinated, I opted out - suspecting I might more likely suffer from the vaccine than the flu. As it turned out, less than a third of the people took the vaccine, and as I recall the ones who suffered by and large got sick from the vaccine, not through human interaction. If anyone should be worried, it should be an old man like me because my system is weaker than it once was, and I'm not particularly worried.
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Posted: 11th May 2009 07:24 Edited at: 11th May 2009 07:28
Quote: "but last I heard a grand total of 0 people in the US have died of the Swine Flu."


3 have.

Quote: "And I'm sure all those who died of it in Mexico all had compromised immune systems, so their bodies couldn't fight it at all."


Swine flu affects people with strong immune systems too.

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Posted: 11th May 2009 08:08
Quote: "Swine flu affects people with strong immune systems too."


BS... The ones that died in Mexico had pre-existing conditions..

The Americans that were affected went to Mexico for spring break and ended up passing it along. All have successfully healed. The ones that died in the US died the same reasons those in Mexico have. Pre-existing conditions...

It's a bunch of hype. You have better odds dying on the freeway today than you do of getting this "influenza".
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Posted: 11th May 2009 09:36
Quote: "BS... The ones that died in Mexico had pre-existing conditions.."


Yes like HERE:

Quote: "The majority of these cases have occurred in otherwise healthy young adults. Influenza normally affects the very young and the very old, but these age groups have not been heavily affected in Mexico."


So have fun waiting for the virus to spread into the millions and cause hundreds of thousands of deaths before you care.

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Posted: 11th May 2009 15:18
I am a respected employee of the Glaxo Smith and Kline pharmaceutical group and I can assure you that swine flu is very dangerous, but don't worry we have all the pills you need to survive at very reasonable prices.
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Posted: 12th May 2009 11:06
Quote: "I am a respected employee of the Glaxo Smith and Kline pharmaceutical group and I can assure you that swine flu is very dangerous, but don't worry we have all the pills you need to survive at very reasonable prices.
Try our new Swine Flu Survival kit that includes twelve different types of antibiotics and a DIY immunisation kit. You'll also get a free T-shirt with slogan "I survived the apocalyptic swine flu epidemic of 2009 and all I got was this lousy T-shirt". The pack retails at a recession busting £299.99 ($339.99 USD).
If you don't want to die, give it a try"


The most dangerous thing you can do is living, and to be honest, it is just boring not to take any risks... who is with me flying over to Mexico to catch the swine flu to see how dangerous it really is?

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Nobody is.

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Quote: "Nobody is."


I could never have guessed that .

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Posted: 13th May 2009 03:29
Quote: "3 have."


Oh my god! Three people have died! I'm so scared that I'm going to get it! I don't know what to do!

Quote: "Swine flu affects people with strong immune systems too."


So does the common cold.

Swine flu is a big load of crap. We need to focus on more important things, like the economy.

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Posted: 13th May 2009 04:10
Quote: "Swine flu affects people with strong immune systems too."


Just because people with strong immune systems can get infected by it, does not mean they will die from it.

Quote: "Swine flu is a big load of crap. We need to focus on more important things, like the economy."


Agreed.

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Posted: 13th May 2009 06:05
Quote: "Just because people with strong immune systems can get infected by it, does not mean they will die from it."


And also, swine flu triggers pneumonia.

Quote: "Swine flu is a big load of crap. We need to focus on more important things, like the economy."


All the time. Recession weighs more than Swine Flu.

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Posted: 13th May 2009 08:28
Quote: "So does the common cold."


But most people have immunities to many strains of the common cold unlike this so that's a stupid point.

Quote: "Swine flu is a big load of crap."


In what way? It's a new strain of virus that can easily spread, has a fairly high mortality rate and no one has a natural immunity to, sounds like it could get pretty bad if we don't do anything about it.

Quote: "Just because people with strong immune systems can get infected by it, does not mean they will die from it."


If enough people get it then they will, Tamiflu stockpiles will only last so long if it spreads into a large chunk of the population.

And it now seems I'm just repeating myself for the 3rd time so read my previous replies for a rebuttal to whatever crap you're going to say next .

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Posted: 13th May 2009 09:58
I got a txt message a while ago that said something like "A few people in Mexico die from the Swine flu, now everybody wears a mask. Thousands more die from HIV/Aids and not as many wear condoms."

Quoted for Truth right there.

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Posted: 13th May 2009 15:06
This was not an informative starting but I think we should post the relevant and good information about swine flu.

I am searching and I will post informative when I will get something to write.

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Posted: 13th May 2009 15:19 Edited at: 13th May 2009 15:20
It is a threat and one to be dealt with, as with any newly discovered virus that makes itself well-known, but I don't see the 'panic' culture behind it, if we can keep it under control, then swine-flu won't get to the point where it will kill off too many people, not something I feel threatened by. I think it's better to deal with something with the likely potential to kill a lot of people before it has the chance to. It was just the same with bird flu. The small numbers are enough for me not to be scared and should be enough for everyone to be calm about it.

The economy too is important, and I hope that the pigs aren't taking too much of the government's attention (I mean there are different parts of a government, I doubt those involved with dealing with the swine flu will be the ones who have to deal with the economy)


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> Dark Coder

More people get killed by animals then get killed by Swine Flu, so do you think we should go around and kill every animal on the planet earth that could possibly be dangerous to human beings?

Quote: "If enough people get it then they will, Tamiflu stockpiles will only last so long if it spreads into a large chunk of the population."


But still, only people with compromised immune systems will die. It doesn't matter how many people get infected, if you're strong enough to fight the disease you won't get it. And most people that get it have been able to fight it off without the vaccine, so I don't see what the paranoia is for.

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Quote: "More people get killed by animals then get killed by Swine Flu, so do you think we should go around and kill every animal on the planet earth that could possibly be dangerous to human beings?"


Of course not; and I've already cleared up why this point is beyond retarded.

It's absolutely irrelevant what other things in the world can cause people to die, it's also irrelevant what other illnesses can cause people to die(such as cancer), the only time you can make a viable comparison of swine flu to another virus is if it has a similar mortality rate, no one is naturally immune to it and it easily spreads.

I don't understand why you and others can't see this simple concept. This virus has the potential to easily spread and IF it does, many people will die because its mortality rate is much higher than most other common viruses(thus you can't compare it to them) and no one has a natural immunity to it(thus you can't compare it to the common cold and others).

If this virus became as widespread as seasonal flu then an amazing amount of people would die compared to most other illnesses. Part of me wants it to do this so naysayers such as yourself can see the potential threat that lies with viruses. Luckily this one isn't that bad as we've already got antiviral stockpiles in many countries that luckily work against this strain too, but if we had no such treatments on hand then I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Spanish Flu V2 given the world's vast population and easy access to transport.

Quote: "But still, only people with compromised immune systems will die."


Based on what? I think I read somewhere that the virus shut down the immune system so if that's what you meant then I guess you're right, but looking at actual sources and not pulling stuff from your arse: Most deaths in Mexico were from <29 year olds, OK they could have all been ill, Lab study shows healthy people can die from it.

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Posted: 14th May 2009 11:25
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I don't understand why you and others can't see this simple concept. This virus has the potential to easily spread and IF it does, many people will die because its mortality rate is much higher than most other common viruses(thus you can't compare it to them) and no one has a natural immunity to it(thus you can't compare it to the common cold and others)."


Actually even if you doubled the mortality rate the chance of survival is quite good. That it is compared to other viruses is irrelevant, you still have a 90+ % chance of survival. That is a major chance. No matter how many people get infected, that will be the chance I would have to survive if I got infected.

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Luckily this one isn't that bad as we've already got antiviral stockpiles in many countries that luckily work against this strain too"


Actually one of the reasons it does not scare me.

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Quote: "Actually even if you doubled the mortality rate the chance of survival is quite good. That it is compared to other viruses is irrelevant, you still have a 90+ % chance of survival. That is a major chance. No matter how many people get infected, that will be the chance I would have to survive if I got infected."

Not sure what your point is, it's almost like you're saying "at least if millions get it then most people will live, and only a few hundred thousand people will die".

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Posted: 14th May 2009 14:59 Edited at: 14th May 2009 14:59
Quote: "Not sure what your point is, it's almost like you're saying "at least if millions get it then most people will live, and only a few hundred thousand people will die"."


Yeah, that is exactly what I meant .

Seriously, though, I am saying I am not scared of catching it, because I would most likely survive. If it develops to an pandemic, then we have problems, but we should still not fear it. Fear tend to make things worse, or in best case just won´t do any good.

Besides, I doubt it will be a pandemic. Have seen the media say that about this or that too many times now, and it never happened.

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Quote: "Seriously, though, I am saying I am not scared of catching it, because I would most likely survive. If it develops to an pandemic, then we have problems, but we should still not fear it. Fear tend to make things worse, or in best case just won´t do any good."


We shouldn't fear hundreds of thousands dying?
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Posted: 14th May 2009 23:12
No, imagine the reduction in environmental damage a 1.4% population drop could cause. Maybe it might do us some good.

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Quote: "No, imagine the reduction in environmental damage a 1.4% population drop could cause. Maybe it might do us some good."

Those 1.4% were probably people not having access to the cure or money for it. Usually the same kind of people that do the least damage to the envirionment. But nice to know you care that much (unless it was a joke and I completely missed it, but there is at least one other guy on this forum that wouldn't joke, saying something like that).

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Posted: 14th May 2009 23:25
It wasn't something to be taken seriously.

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Yeah, I figured as much, coming from NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret. You can never be certain though.

Still doesn't seem to be any confirmed cases here in Norway, probably because nobody bothers to come here. And those that live here are stuck.

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Quote: "Of course not; and I've already cleared up why this point is beyond retarded."


And I've already countered all of your arguments. You're just saying them over and over again and not countering my arguments.

Quote: "This virus has the potential to easily spread and IF it does, many people will die "


And yet it hasn't. It's had plenty of time, so if it were to become an epidemic don't you think it would have already done so?

Quote: "Luckily this one isn't that bad "


Dude, you just completely contradicted yourself. I thought your whole point was that this IS that bad.

Quote: "Based on what?"


Based on your own numbers. The majority of people who have had Swine Flu have survived, so it's not really that deadly.

Quote: "Lab study shows healthy people can die from it."


Real world shows that healthy people don't die from it. Lab studies don't prove ****.

Quote: "Most deaths in Mexico were from <29 year olds,"


I was going to say something about Mexico's health care system, but it might be against the AUP, so I won't.


So what exactly is it that you think we should doing about Swine Flu? Most if not all healthy people will survive it, and we've got the vaccine for unhealthy people. Aside from keeping yourself healthy (which you should be doing anyway) what do you think we should be doing?

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Quote: "Lab studies don't prove ****."

Why not?

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Posted: 15th May 2009 01:38
Because I doubt people volunteered to be injected with something that is more than likely to be deadly. There's no ethical way of conclusively testing the virus in a lab environment to find mortality in healthy humans.

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Lab tests are too controlled. It's impossible to gauge how deadly a particular disease is in a controlled environment, there's too many variables.

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We shouldn't fear hundreds of thousands dying? "


I meant the virus itself . That people would die would of course be a major concern. However, it is not sure that it will come to that.

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Quote: "Swine flu is a big load of crap. We need to focus on more important things, like the economy."

No no no, we need to DISTRACT people from the economy. You'll never be a politician.

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Quote: "because its mortality rate is much higher than most other common viruses"


Alright, I just checked the CDC website and learned that the amount of deaths in the US from swine flu has jumped to a whopping amount of 4. That's out of 4,714 confirmed US cases. Percentage wise that's a 0.08% mortality rate. Although the combined amount of mexico and american cases comes to a 0.8% mortality rate, I really think the health care system's of the two countries play a part in that. If you're living in a country that can treat you and is half decent, I really don't think there's a lot to worry about. It might be safe to take some precautions, but I know I'm not going to lose sleep worrying about it.

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As another internet user said, why aren't we talking about how we're going to deal with AIDS instead of this silly little tummy bug.

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Quote: "and not countering my arguments."


Which arguments did I not counter?

Quote: "And yet it hasn't. It's had plenty of time, so if it were to become an epidemic don't you think it would have already done so?"


Plenty of time? It's only been a few weeks, it's not like viruses spread at the speed of sound. Besides, the virus is still spreading, look at THIS lovely graph, I'm sure if we did nothing the infected count would have gone out of control by now, luckily we did.

Quote: "Dude, you just completely contradicted yourself. I thought your whole point was that this IS that bad."


Nice misquote.

Quote: "Based on your own numbers. The majority of people who have had Swine Flu have survived, so it's not really that deadly."


So to be deadly it requires a higher than 50% mortality rate?

Quote: "Real world shows that healthy people don't die from it. Lab studies don't prove ****."


Where are your sources saying healthy people don't de from it in the 'real world'? If healthy people die from it in a lab study then it should be more than possible for them to also die as they apparently are in Mexico.

Quote: "So what exactly is it that you think we should doing about Swine Flu? Most if not all healthy people will survive it, and we've got the vaccine for unhealthy people. Aside from keeping yourself healthy (which you should be doing anyway) what do you think we should be doing?"


We should do exactly what we should do against any outbreak of a virus of this nature, stopping it dead in its tracks. Not caring because it only kills 1% of the infected or whatever the number is, isn't a good solution. 1% may not seem like a lot but if you don't do much to stop such a virus and it infects millions the amount of people dead will spiral out of control and with that you can quickly run out of antivirals to treat it(if this happened I'm sure the mortality rate in the US would be higher). Also, if a virus spreads into loads of people the chances of it mutating into a more lethal strain are ever increased.

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Quote: "If healthy people die from it in a lab study"


It'd be one hell of an unethical lab study if people died.

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What will happen from this is.

Ohh swine flue, we people, we are frightened, yo do something now, to help we.

We your protectors, we have innoculations to help yous, we the benevolent ones to the rescue to your bleetings. (you take this injection, it laden with evil, ha, ha, we tricked you, we give you bad thing.

Britain orders 90 million swine flu vaccines
http://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories/23367.htm?linkfrom=feed_newsandweather&link=link_2&article=index

Who knows what the vaccination will do to you, the elites 'private realm' technocrats and bureaucrats talk about 'modifying' the public with vaccination all the time, not that you will of read their boring dusty old books, too busy watching pop idol and playing with video games I should imagine.

Now go and take the medicine like a good pig, oink, oink.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 21:35
Quote: "So to be deadly it requires a higher than 50% mortality rate?"


No, to be deadly one person must have died from it. However, swine flu is no where near 50%.There is an over 90% chance of survival, and if some of the number in this thread is correct, there might even be an over 99% chance of survival. Sure, we should take any pandemic seriously, but we must also be realistic. It may not come to it for one.

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Posted: 16th May 2009 23:49 Edited at: 16th May 2009 23:57
There is no need for it to be deadly, all that is needed is the fear from the disease, then offer a solution.
As I said - Britain orders 90 million swine flu vaccines

Now from the very own books of your opointed betters.

“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.”

“Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.”

Lord Bertrand Russell, - The Impact of Science on Society 1953, pg 49-50

I like the bit on selective breeding, reminds me of H. G. Wells - The Time Machine and its Morlocks, I belive we call the beginings of these creature today Chavs. A good welfare state insures plenty of them are born.

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Quote: "Which arguments did I not counter?"


It's not so much that you've not countered my arguments, you just haven't countered my counters to your arguments.

Quote: "look at THIS lovely graph"


This lovely graph... which shows that a whopping 2% of confirmed cases have ended in death. All of those who died also probably had compromised immune systems. And that graph doesn't say how many of those who died did so because of the disease and how many people died of other causes. That's the problem with "numbers", there's too many variables. And the fact that it hasn't been that long just makes the numbers even more invalid.

Quote: "So to be deadly it requires a higher than 50% mortality rate?"


No, but it's no where close to 50% right now. In fact it's not even close to 10%. More people get run over by cars every day, so should we ban cars? (I think so anyway, but for other reasons)

Quote: "We should do exactly what we should do against any outbreak of a virus of this nature, stopping it dead in its tracks. Not caring because it only kills 1% of the infected or whatever the number is, isn't a good solution. 1% may not seem like a lot but if you don't do much to stop such a virus and it infects millions the amount of people dead will spiral out of control and with that you can quickly run out of antivirals to treat it(if this happened I'm sure the mortality rate in the US would be higher). Also, if a virus spreads into loads of people the chances of it mutating into a more lethal strain are ever increased."


None of that says what exactly should we be doing that we aren't already doing. Most if not all of the healthy people who get it survive, and we've got the vaccine for those those who aren't healthy. Other than killing or quarantineing (is that a real word?) the people who already do have it, which are both extremely immoral and extremely illegal things to do, what CAN we do?

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Quote: "All of those who died also probably had compromised immune systems"


Based on what? You're pulling this out of your arse.

Quote: "And that graph doesn't say how many of those who died did so because of the disease and how many people died of other causes."


What are the chances someone in those few thousand that were infected died of something not related to the flu? Very unlikely.

Quote: "More people get run over by cars every day, so should we ban cars?"


If this is an example of one of your arguments that I didn't counter then I didn't because it's retarded.

Quote: "None of that says what exactly should we be doing that we aren't already doing."


Maybe because we're doing pretty good at managing it so far? After all, if there was no big fuss over it, not so many people would have taken precautions against it. If that happened then more people would be infected, more people would die bla bla, you'd still say it's being blown out of proportion and only until it causes more deaths than other things like road accidents should we begin to care, at which point it'd be a bit too late.

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Posted: 17th May 2009 05:50 Edited at: 17th May 2009 05:55
Herakles, Statistics can only confirm numbers (or at least quantitative data) but tell you nothing about how the numbers got them. People often use statistics to speculate and can be used to illustrate a point as long as you have something else to back your claims up.

But the 2% statistic can only confirm...well...that 2% of those who got Swine flu have died, right?

As for 'they probably have compromised immune systems', it's a bit of a generalisation, how do you know it wasn't the amount of exposure to the virus? Or how the virus attacks the immune system? From what I've read there's nothing to suggest what you've said. Unless you have any reputable sources to suggest otherwise.

Quote: "More people get run over by cars every day, so should we ban cars?"


Dark Coder called it retarded, but maybe I'll try to answer this one. Are the two matter alike? Do they correlate, lets look at some differences between swine flu and driving cars. Cars are beneficial. Swine Flu is not beneficial, it is a disease. Drivers have to abide by laws. Swine Flu cannot be controlled or influenced by laws. Cars don't kill people, just careless drivers or the mistakes of drivers or sometimes things that can't be helped. Swine Flu attacks the very insides of a person taking down their immune system, if successful it kills people, it is not carelessness nor is it a mistake it is just a disease so its 'purpose' if you want to call it that is to try and kill...though 2% successful in its attacks.

To say "do nothing about it" is to say "remove all road safety laws and safety precautions" (just to better use the car analogy) - after all 'road safety' is what keeps accidents down from what the potential is. If you really want to push the car analogy, think what they're doing right now is like enforcing road-safety laws and inventing the seatbelt. There is nothing to stop the disease from getting worse and taking more lives and have no vaccines means those who get it have more of a chance dying and if the diseases spreads or even mutates then it can be a bigger problem than it already is...basically if it is allowed to do what diseases are meant to do. Even the common cold and common flu have precautions and treatments. Swine flu is one that is considered to be a bigger threat to the immune system and is a threat that needs research in order to keep it from getting worse.




But why does something have to kill a load of people before its threat is recognised? In this case this threat has been recognised early on and it sounds like our governments are doing their job by stopping it from getting worse.

2% though for me is not something for me to be scared of, because the changes of me getting Swine flu at the moment are small and the chance of dying from it at the moment is small, and I'm more likely to die from something else, but not something that should just be 'left to breed' and logically increase that likelihood of me getting it and without treatment, increase the chances of dying from it.


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Seems like I'm rambling on, perhaps it is time for bed - I seem to do that when it's quite late.

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Quote: "Based on what? You're pulling this out of your arse."


Okay probably not ALL of them, but still a great deal of them.

Quote: "Maybe because we're doing pretty good at managing it so far? After all, if there was no big fuss over it, not so many people would have taken precautions against it. If that happened then more people would be infected, more people would die bla bla, you'd still say it's being blown out of proportion and only until it causes more deaths than other things like road accidents should we begin to care, at which point it'd be a bit too late."


What exactly are we already doing? Giving the vaccine to those who want it, which is what we should be doing for ALL diseases regardless of how deadly it is.

The thing about the cars was just an example. I guess it is a bad one, looking back at it now, so here's a better one: STDs. There are a crapload of STDs which are more deadly than Swine Flu, so should ban sex?

Quote: "If this is an example of one of your arguments that I didn't counter then I didn't because it's retarded."


Unlike Seppuku Arts, you're just saying my arguments are retarded instead of actually showing why they are. If there's a flaw in one of my arguments, say it. Just calling it retarded doesn't help your position in a debate.

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Quote: "The thing about the cars was just an example. I guess it is a bad one, looking back at it now, so here's a better one: STDs. There are a crapload of STDs which are more deadly than Swine Flu, so should ban sex?"


I suppose that could be like saying 'should we ban pigs from society and stop eating pig based food items?' (though the flaw in your analogy this time is that we need to have sex in order to survive as a species)


People treat STDs and there's research going into curing them and money is spent on medicine for STDs, any disease that can pose a national threat is given a lot of attention by the media - perhaps too much scaremongering goes into that, but that's what the media sometimes does. But it doesn't mean that the government shouldn't give attention to the problem. So the government is dealing with swine flu like they deal with STD issues. (People tend to get informed with the issue of STDs through sex education and at the end of my school days they certainly put an emphasis on Clymedia and in the UK on TV we certainly get adverts to do with the STD)

If you think of it in terms of STDs then the government is dealing with both types of diseases. I'm not going to stop eating pork or bacon and I'm certainly not going to become celibate. The fact the government are dealing with the swine flu issue means I'm not going to be scared of getting it and as for STDs, taking the sensible precautions will keep the risk of getting an STD down and the government and health system provide plenty of info for that.

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I suppose that could be like saying 'should we ban pigs from society and stop eating pig based food items?' (though the flaw in your analogy this time is that we need to have sex in order to survive as a species)
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As a note, eating pig meat does not transfer swine flu. At last that is what I heard.

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That's what the pig flu wants you to believe.

Quote: "though the flaw in your analogy this time is that we need to have sex in order to survive as a species"

I am shocked and appaled. I thought it had something to do with birds and bees and stuff. Are you telling me every adult is a liar, or just you?

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