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Posted: 7th May 2009 05:21
Is warp speed possible? Some scientists are saying it is. According to Yahoo! News, research is showing that, while no object can move within space-time faster than the speed of light, it may be possible to move space-time itself faster than the speed of light. I thought this was a pretty cool story, just thought I'd share.

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Posted: 7th May 2009 05:50
I have a set of encyclopedias at home that say it's impossible to go to the moon, because it would take to many lifetimes. It shows a picture of a prop airplane flying toward the moon.

What's impossible today is possible tomorrow. Besides, it has to be possible. I saw it on Star Trek.

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Thanks for sharing! I certainly hope it's possible!

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Posted: 7th May 2009 06:22
Lol, I saw this earlier and almost posted it. It's a really cool read.


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Posted: 7th May 2009 08:36 Edited at: 7th May 2009 16:28
In order to do that, though, we'd need a quantum theory of relativity, which unless they came out with one in the last couple weeks and have kept it on the down low, I don't think we have one. While the concept of moving an entire chunk of space-time instead of moving through it, I find that it's incredibly hard to even begin to go about doing that. We don't even know what the state of the "universe" was before the Big Bang. We do apparently know that we are expanding because of it. But what are we expanding into? What's at the edge of the universe (aside from a restaurant?)? What's beyond that edge?

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...So people know, this is nothing "new". Warp theory has been around for quite a while, I think this came back up because the movie is about to be released.

Basically, the concept is that according to general relativity space time is curved, allowing an object to move faster than light in curved space time. The argument for this is that the curvature could take the form of a wave in which a spaceship might be carried in a "bubble". In this “bubble”, space would be collapsing at one end and expanding at the other. The motion of the wave would carry the spaceship from one point in space to another in less time it would take light to go through unwarped space. However, the spaceship within the bubble would not have traveled faster than light.

And then there are wormholes:

Wormholes are distortions in space-time that could connect two points in the universe across an Einstein-Rosen Bridge. Although there are solutions to the Einstein equation of general relativity which allow for wormholes, they involve some assumption such as the existence of negative mass. Some however argue that such wormholes might have been created in the early universe.


So, the possibility of Warp more or less depends on the existence of negative mass, or ability to create it. We already know that space is warped, and that euclidean geometry is not how the universe is actually shaped. Gravity in fact I think is the concentration of space around a mass, or certainly has something to do with it. Warp also does not mean you would go faster than light, just that it becomes possible to surpass the speed of light in the unwarped space around you.


Quote: "But what are we expanding into? What's at the edge of the universe (aside from a restaurant?)? What's beyond that edge?"

...Well, I'm not familiar with the theories for what we're expanding into, but there is no edge as you see it. Say you were to draw a perfectly strait line instantly all across the universe, you would end up with the other end of that line pointed at earth, right were it started. You see, the space itself is expanding. Try and imagine that all of the universe is flattened out and then wrapped around a sphere, and it's the sphere that is expanding. I think this has something to do with vector space.


If any of the stuff here confuses you, wiki Interstellar travel or warp or wormholes or geometry or something. Then you can point out any mistakes I've made.

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Posted: 7th May 2009 09:01
Quote: "We don't even know what the state of the "universe" was before the Big Band"


This is a mystery that's easier to solve? I personally think we should just ask the members as I'm sure they'll remember.

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Posted: 7th May 2009 10:00 Edited at: 7th May 2009 10:01
Who cares if it can be done, I want to know how the bloomers we'll generate the power to do it. Though supposedly you only need 1.21 jigawatts(supposedly not a real word?) to go back in time, so it can't be that much

Anti-matter could work. I just saw a discovery channel special about how it's created and it's known usages as of now...which is zero. The show was mostly about how to destroy the earth with an anti-matter bomb, lucky we can't do that for some time . But Star Trek is looking oh so possible now.

..oh, and remember, the key to inter-stellar travel is realigning the deflector dish.

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Posted: 7th May 2009 10:38
Quote: "We don't even know what the state of the "universe" was before the Big Band"


Isn't the point of the big bang theory that there was no universe to speak of?

The real point of the Big Bang Theory is that geeks are geeks, even when Kaley Cuoco is running around the place in shorts.


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I'm not sure why anyone would even bother to try and build something that could do warp or light speed. Even if they did achieve something like this what good would it do them? The idea of finding another planet out side our solar system that is close enough for anyone to get to is just a scientific pipe dream that will never happen.

The only way this would ever be possible, is if they were to some how build a colony in space that would be there for a VERY long time, And whatever Station they are on would have to have gravity close to our own.

Even if people did get to lightspeed, the craft would take probably yrs before it hits another solar system. If you were too step on a planet after being in space without gravity for a couple yrs, even with the same gravitational force as our earth has. You would be dead because you would be well to weak to even move. So really there's no sense even trying.
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Posted: 7th May 2009 13:32 Edited at: 7th May 2009 13:33
Quote: "m not sure why anyone would even bother to try and build something that could do warp or light speed. Even if they did achieve something like this what good would it do them? The idea of finding another planet out side our solar system that is close enough for anyone to get to is just a scientific pipe dream that will never happen."

But that's why they want to build it, so it's not a pipe dream anymore.

Quote: "Even if people did get to lightspeed, the craft would take probably yrs before it hits another solar system. If you were too step on a planet after being in space without gravity for a couple yrs, even with the same gravitational force as our earth has. You would be dead because you would be well to weak to even move. So really there's no sense even trying."

No, tatts. They have excersice machines with them that they use to keep the bones strong.

Quote: "We don't even know what the state of the "universe" was before the Big Band"

That must be a really bad band as -everything- tries to get away from it.

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Posted: 7th May 2009 15:27
Quote: "No, tatts. They have excersice machines with them that they use to keep the bones strong."

Unfortunately exercise machines is just not enough. Researchers already know this, which is why they are trying to develop ways of creating artificial gravity. But as I said, it will take yrs no matter how you look at it. And how long do you think it will take you to stop? dead in your tracks like star trek? you would be a pancake if you stopped that fast. Besides, with all the junk floating around in space like asteroids, comets, meteors and what not. would you really trust flying at lightspeed?
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Until we do it, we'll never know.
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Quote: "Unfortunately exercise machines is just not enough. Researchers already know this, which is why they are trying to develop ways of creating artificial gravity. But as I said, it will take yrs no matter how you look at it."

But we don't know if the time used traveling would be that long with a working FTL drive. So maybe those excerice machines will suffice for at least a few lightyears.

Quote: "And how long do you think it will take you to stop? dead in your tracks like star trek? you would be a pancake if you stopped that fast."
That's the thing with this theoretical technology though. We wouldn't appear to be moving and wouldn't experience the sideffects. That's not to say we would encounter some new and interesting sideffects however...

Quote: "Besides, with all the junk floating around in space like asteroids, comets, meteors and what not. would you really trust flying at lightspeed?"

I would agree here that it would be risky, but perhaps plot a route for a smaller step and 'jump' safely in small steps like they do in battlestar.

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Quote: "Until we do it, we'll never know."


True enough.

I personally hope that we do get the chance to step foot on another planet eventually, even if it's one of our own such as mars. But as Daniel says, you just never know.
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Quote: "And how long do you think it will take you to stop"

Actually you'd probably take about half the trip getting to warp speed, stay at that speed for a couple hours and then spend the other half the trip slowing down.

(Or that sounds logical to me assuming it takes about as long to speed up as it does to slow down)
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I brought a book once called "The Physics of StarTrek", it was many years ago, I very rarley read a book but that was a good one, it went through the sciantifical probability of the Technology in StarTrek, and how it would work, it was a good read.

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Quote: "it may be possible to move space-time itself faster than the speed of light"

That's how they did it in Futurama, so it has to be good.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to for any object of mass to move at the speed of light, but with physics, there must be some crazy work-around

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Everyone sounds so informative and factual! If your a mathematical physicist, please post. If your not, give us an article written by a physicist!

Aaanyways, i read that - in theory, the energy needed to bend whatever to this degree would be roughly the amount of energy you could get from converting jupiter into pure energy.

I'm not sure where that energy would go though. If it would be in the form of radiation, or in the form of new spacetime... or something
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Quote: "the energy needed to bend whatever to this degree would be roughly the amount of energy you could get from converting jupiter into pure energy."




That's a huge amount!

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Quote: "I'm not sure why anyone would even bother to try and build something that could do warp or light speed. Even if they did achieve something like this what good would it do them? The idea of finding another planet out side our solar system that is close enough for anyone to get to is just a scientific pipe dream that will never happen.

The only way this would ever be possible, is if they were to some how build a colony in space that would be there for a VERY long time, And whatever Station they are on would have to have gravity close to our own.

Even if people did get to lightspeed, the craft would take probably yrs before it hits another solar system. If you were too step on a planet after being in space without gravity for a couple yrs, even with the same gravitational force as our earth has. You would be dead because you would be well to weak to even move. So really there's no sense even trying."


Even working within the "current" laws of physics, these problems are not insurmountable. For one thing, although to us watching on Earth, it would appear to take someone travelling to a nearby star a very long time to get there, it wouln't seem so long for them.

False gravity is obtainable using a centrifuge. The nearest stars are about 4 light years away. It's plausible that planets as large, or larger than Earth exist around very closeby stars, and have yet to be detected.

A problem is propulsion- to get a massy thing full of people and all the plumbing they come with, and an elaborate centrifuge up to high speed requires a lot of energy! One possible thing is a nuclear bomb powered "Project Orion" type ship, but this has never been tried, and with quite good reason!

It's going to be a while. At the moment, we are driving down the limit of detectability of extrasolar planets. Better telescopes. Better techniques. We are slowly developing better means of space propulsion, with higher specific thrust and reliability. We will hopefully at some point start to practice keeping humans alive in confined systems on the Moon or Mars.

At some point we'll send a probe to another star. At some point we'll start doing big things on the other planets in our Solar System - there's a lot of useful land and stuff there- once it's economic someone's going to do something about it. Then surely it won't be too long before we think about sending stuff to other planets.

When self sustaining and robot building robots are here (surely not too long), we'll be able to send some to wherever and get them to build a spaceship factory, human living quarters etc. I don't think this kind of robotics and automatic building is that far off.

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soooo, tatts, we shouldn't do it because it's hard and dangerous?

I think time has proven that human growth is exponential. It took about 80,000 (correct me if im wrong) years to start developing civilizations... now it's taken about 67 years to go from the first computer, to computers able to make images hardly distinguishable from real life.

I don't think you could be more wrong. The whole idea of this is to reduce the time it takes to trave inbetween solar systems. I'm sure that, within the next thousand years, there will be an expedition out of this solar system.

The INS is just a step towards that direction.
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Here's my theory, if you crush space in front of you and expand space behind you... this will give you something along the lines of faster than speed of light. Thus you haven't moved at all time and space will not have even happened during this period for who ever is inside this 'bubble'. Instant non-movement around space faster than the speed of light

Chances are that is what black holes are, perhaps we're not alone, there's probably a race jetting around trying to find new places and bang creating lil black holes as they go .

Another point. To crush and expand space around a area big enough for a spaceship you'd need ALLOT of energy.

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Umm, maybe I should restate. WARP MOVES SPACE TIME, NOT MATTER. So the speed of light is a non issue, as you aren't even trying to go faster than light. The object itself remains still, there is no worry about acceleration or decelleration I believe, as the space time is expanding at one end and contracting at the other at a constant rate.

And while space is not empty, the chances of hitting an object are extremely small, especially it you were to travel above the galactic disk, though that's hardly necessary when traveling a mere four and a half light years to the nearest star. You would encounter more or less nothing outside the star systems, I think. And then you have to get that the space time the vehicle is inside is not being effected in warp, the space time around it is pushing it and pulling it forwards.

And it you don't like Warp, there is already Nuclear Pulse Propulsion and Beamed Propulsion which are possible with current technology for traveling efficiently to other star systems. They're sub light speed, Nuclear Pulse getting to about 10% the speed of light, and Beamed Propulsion even faster. Beamed Propulsion however is more cost effective, requires less energy, and due to how close it gets to the speed of light whatever is being sent would feel a considerably shorter trip.

Most likely if this is used it will only be for unmanned missions long before manned, though this method is still unlikely for interstellar travel as by the time the object would get there we will have most likely developed technologies that can surpass that speed, and the object will get there after the newer technology does. In fact, Nuclear Pulse Propulsion has been completely possible since the 1960s.

Quote: "I don't think you could be more wrong. The whole idea of this is to reduce the time it takes to trave inbetween solar systems. I'm sure that, within the next thousand years, there will be an expedition out of this solar system. "

Well, unmanned I would guess within the next 100 at the most, though I suspect it would still be sub light speed unless their are major breakthroughs with negative mass, or another tech shows up. 1000 years is pretty safe assuming Humans are still around as we see them now.

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Quote: "WARP MOVES SPACE TIME, NOT MATTER"


It sounds to me that people have been reading too much H.G Wells.
So what are you saying, your going to time travel?

I would believe that we'll see these hyper propulsion systems but as far a bending space time or time travel, is a little far fetched

And no i'm not really saying that we should'nt try, Because I am definitely all for trying to get to other planets in even our own solar system. I just believe that if people were to create a machine that could even get to 100,000 mph let alone 186,000 mps, to be manned would be pure suicide. If you were to even so much as hit a small size rock at a rate of speed such as that. I think you would be toast. And to bend space time, to me that sounds to much like time travel and I truly believe that will never happen.
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Quote: "And to bend space time, to me that sounds to much like time travel and I truly believe that will never happen."


I am bending space time by simply being here so your argument is invalid.

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Tatts, stop talking about the topic as if you've researched it heavily and are an expert on the subject. People much smarter than you (ie: top scientists in the world) have proposed these theories. For right now, no one really understands the details of how it'd work, but only the result we want and the basic theory behind it. Kind of like what people thought about flight for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before we actually achieved it.

Quote: "I just believe that if people were to create a machine that could even get to 100,000 mph let alone 186,000 mps, to be manned would be pure suicide. If you were to even so much as hit a small size rock at a rate of speed such as that. I think you would be toast. And to bend space time, to me that sounds to much like time travel and I truly believe that will never happen."

First, from what I understand about the theory, you aren't actually moving very fast, you are bending the space around you. Second, by the time we get this technology, I'm sure we will have solved something so comparatively simple as avoiding hitting things in our path.

So, please, stop acting like you know all about warp speed and how it will never happen. People aren't saying it will happen tomorrow, or even in the next 1000 years, but it's a credible theory (just like flight was) that could take thousands of years to master .


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Quote: "Quote: "We don't even know what the state of the "universe" was before the Big Band"

Isn't the point of the big bang theory that there was no universe to speak of?"


Depends, is there anything to suggest that there wasn't anything before the big bang? To say that there was or wasn't I think would be stretching the theory too far...unless I've missed anything that says all energy and matter did not exist prior to the big bang.

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Quote: "from what I understand about the theory, you aren't actually moving very fast, you are bending the space around you."

Actually, YOU are not moving at all, the space-time around you is moving, and you just go along for the ride.
For example, imagine you have an action figure in a remote control car. this will represent you and your vessel.
Then, you have a large cardboard box, inside of which is the action figure and the RC car. The box will represent the space-time around you and your vessel.
You can activate the RC car, and it will go maybe 3 or 4 miles per hour at most. That maximum speed will represent light speed. The car cannot travel faster than 3 or 4 MPH, just as we cannot travel faster than the speed of light. BUT, rather than moving the action figure and car, you move the box CONTAINING the action figure and car. If you take that box, and run as fast as you can with it, the box, and anything contained within it, will be moving faster than 3 or 4 MPH. That's basically the kind of theory behind warp speed.

Quote: "unless I've missed anything that says all energy and matter did not exist prior to the big bang."

I believe the theory is that all energy and matter was compacted into a singularity before a big bang.

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@Gil, I don't claim to know everything about science and warp speed and what ever else there is that has to do with space. I do read a lot and i know what a theory is. So everything I say can be just as valid as any other scientist, Until they are actually proven, everything they are speaking of is just a theory and you will always have an opposition with their own theories. So who is to say that I am not right. Scientist have been proven to be wrong in the past and they will be proven wrong in the future as well. They are not always right and neither is the opposition.

Just like the when people were dreaming of flight, there are those who believe that it would never of happened. But then the Wright brothers came up with their invention and proved otherwise.

I think it will never happen for many reasons and not just that we can't come up with the technology. But I won't bother to elaborate
on all. If people do eventually come up with this type of technology then great for them. But as you said, We do not have that kind of technology yet and their just trying to theorize possible solutions to make it happen. So until they, like the wright brothers did in the past actually do something to prove me either right or wrong, everything is just a theory and just as valid of an argument. Except most times I base opinions on common sense and not pipe dreams.

Again as I said earlier, We'll just never know. But if they did create these warp drives or did come up with the ability the bend space, Then i'm sure we'll be proven wrong once we start seeing the extinction of air travel and start seeing the use of teleporters to do all our traveling around the planet.
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Quote: "I do read a lot and i know what a theory is."


Really now:

Quote: "Until they are actually proven, everything they are speaking of is just a theory"


What do you mean proven? The highest level anything can ever reach in science is to become a theory, that is to go through all the stages of the scientific process.

Quote: "Scientist have been proven to be wrong in the past and they will be proven wrong in the future as well. They are not always right and neither is the opposition."


Of course they have, but so what? Newton's law of universal gravitation is 'wrong' but it's still used today for many things and at the time of its conception it confirmed and predicted astronomical sightings so by your definition his theory of gravitation was proven right? Except it was later shown to not work in all scenarios.

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Quote: "What do you mean proven? The highest level anything can ever reach in science is to become a theory, that is to go through all the stages of the scientific process."


A theory is an unproven fact, If it were a completely proven fact and it did go through these stages of the scientific process. they would no longer be theories but indeed be facts.

theories are built up from idealists, People who sit around and look at other aspects of space or science, and try to come up new ideas based upon other theories and facts that may or may not have been proven to be correct.

There is no true right or wrong answer for a theoretical question until what ever is proven and becomes fact rather than just an idea.
As I said, None of us will never know, not in our lifetime anyway. And to create sarcasm over a subject such as this is just sillier than it is useful. Fact = I will never know whether I am right or wrong and neither will you, All anyone can do at this point is voice their opinions and believes and whether or not you agree in my ideas or someone else's is your own opinion. But not worth being sarcastic about.
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Posted: 9th May 2009 17:54 Edited at: 9th May 2009 17:55
Quote: "they would no longer be theories but indeed be facts."


Wrong.

In science nothing can surpass the stage of being a theory; even if we find out everything about the universe, all the science that comprises this knowledge will just be a collection theories. You're clearly confusing the layman's theory(conjecture) with a scientific theory(evidence->model->predictions->peer review).

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I agree.

Facts are simply something you've observed.

Theories allow you to predict, understand and explain, and just as importantly, experiment, confirm and revise.

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Quote: "Everyone sounds so informative and factual! If your a mathematical physicist, please post. If your not, give us an article written by a physicist!"

I am! And you are all lying!
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Thank you!!! Finally someone goes and says what a theory is!!!

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Quote: "In science nothing can surpass the stage of being a theory; "

Really? So the statement "The Earth is round, not flat." is just a theory? It USED to be a theory, back when it was more widely believed that the earth was flat and had four corners. But since then, expeditions into space, better understanding of our universe, more complete maps, and trips around the world have PROVEN that theory to be fact.

Honestly, saying that nothing can go beyond a theory is just utterly ridiculous. If nothing can surpass the theory stage, how do we get facts?

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Yawn, if you read the rest of my post you'd have noticed I outlined the difference between what laymen refer to as a theory and what scientists refer to as a theory; they are completely different. And no, nothing can surpass being a theory in science, that is... a scientific theory just so you still follow me. There are no such thing as facts in the sense of it being absolutely certain in science, one major requirement of all scientific models is that they be falsifiable, the moment you claim something is true bar nothing then you breach this.

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Posted: 10th May 2009 00:51
Yes. What most people refer to as a theory is actually a hypothesis.

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Posted: 10th May 2009 01:46 Edited at: 10th May 2009 01:48
Quote: "Really? So the statement "The Earth is round, not flat." is just a theory?"


Well - yes. You can't be absolutely certain that anything outside your own consciousness actually exists. (Matrix reference, yes, but it's still a valid point.) So "the Earth is round" is a theory because 1) you may have seen pictures of the earth and people may have proved it with maths (day/night cycles etc.) but there may still be something they overlooked and they could have lied to you anyway and 2) you can't be certain the earth actually exists.

But, I will admit that the above paragraph is pretty silly (though not totally illogical). For the purposes of philosophy, there may be no earth, but for the purposes of actually getting anything done in the real world, the earth is round.

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Quote: "Try and imagine that all of the universe is flattened out and then wrapped around a sphere, and it's the sphere that is expanding."

I thought of the universe in that way when I was 7 or 8. I remember being unable to comprehend the idea that the universe is infinitely big, and thought that it must wrap around itself. I remember the exact term I used was "a bowl." It's interesting to see that there's a theory that incorporates that idea as well... Does that say I was pretty smart, or the theory is pretty dumb? (Umm, I don't mean to say the theory is dumb, or that I am smart -- that's an actual question.)

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All I'm saying is, don't judge whether or not something is possible against what is currently known. If that standard was held to, we would never have progressed beyond the cave.

Everything was impossible before it was done...

Flying
Curing diseases
Cloning
Going to the moon
Splitting an atom

Sailing around the world! LOL

All were impossible until someone figured it out.

Brian.

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Posted: 10th May 2009 02:14
I couldn't get my head around 3D space until I was about 12, Aaron. I still find Quaternions about as comprehensible as Engrish transcribed into encrypted Arabic and I'm old enough to drive!

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Posted: 10th May 2009 13:01
I think we passed this point before everyone started arguing, but surely if you travel faster than light, and hit a fist sized rock, thats gonna be one hell of a crash, and you cant avoid it cos youll see it after youve hit it ...

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Posted: 10th May 2009 14:02
If you're using a "bubble" with a wormhole at either end (as suggested earlier), won't the rock end up moving around the bubble, so you won't hit it?

Also - what would happen to time when you're inside this bubble? Since space and time are linked, wouldn't there be some rather unusual stuff happening regarding the time of the ship compared to time outside the bubble? I'm not sure what it would be - maybe not much - but that's why I'm asking.

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Posted: 10th May 2009 15:09
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Also - what would happen to time when you're inside this bubble? Since space and time are linked, wouldn't there be some rather unusual stuff happening regarding the time of the ship compared to time outside the bubble? I'm not sure what it would be - maybe not much - but that's why I'm asking."


I am ignorant of warp technology, but if it uses a bobble, where space "collapses" on one end and "expand" on the other, or whatever it was, then theoretically time will go faster in one end, and slower at the other. But that is only theoretically, have no idea, lol.

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Quote: ""The Earth is round, not flat." is just a theory?"


Yeah, in fact it isn't round it's a tetrahedron and you are the star of a Truman Show like programme where we feed you lies.

We released the films The Truman Show and The Matrix as a double bluff.

In fact, everyone on this forum apart from me and you are bots. I am tech support.

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