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DarkBASIC Discussion / [LOCKED] Some advice for newcomers.

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arbiter chewbacca hybrid
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Posted: 25th May 2009 15:58 Edited at: 14th Jun 2009 01:11
Hi I am the arbiter chewbacca hybrid and as a kind of newcomer myself I would like to say first things first

1.DON'T jump into 3D I learned that the hard way and kept getting stuck

2.you need to know variables before anything else they are used in every good game not using variables would be like an RPG with nothing to buy and no bosses special attacks or random enemies.

3.The easiest way to learn the basics is by doing TDK's tutorials he put them in a specific order because he wanted you to do them that way.

"There is Shakespear(3D) and the Kids book janet and jon stuff(2D)
Before you can read Shakespear you have to learn to read the janet and jon stuff."TDK man

4.Remember, never copy and paste code you don't understand it gets you nowhere.

5.I know if can be very frustrating,(and get you very aggrovated)to get that brand new programming language which is supposed to make 3D so simple and then you can't program worth a dime after all those months editing tutorials you are nowhere.(trust me I know)

6.You should always indent and leave remarks in your code, this is done with the rem command rem is short for rem(mark) which makes it so easy to remember. This command has no actual effect on the game so use it! Get into this habit and in the future things will be alot easier.
ex.

(this is not real code)

7.Speaking of goto it is a function that when it gets to that point of the program, it skips everything in between and sort of continutes the program from there. This command shoould be avoided as much as possible as it can create something we at darkbasic(or at least me) call spaggheti code. Spaggheti code is most likey known as when code is all over the place and hard to follow.

8.Last but not least don't immediatly ask for a team of people to help you for your own great multi million dollar game idea, and if you proceed to completly ignore what I just said at least make a sample of the code to show. If you wish to create your own team after seeing something like darknoobs contact other members via email but don't clog the forums with your own selfish post.


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Posted: 25th May 2009 17:40
Shakesphere sounds like a TGC iPhone game
It's Shakespeare.

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Posted: 25th May 2009 18:10
roflmao, cant believe I didnt catch that

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Posted: 25th May 2009 18:11
I jumped into 3D first... I looked at Basic 3D/example 25.dba or something like that for months, understanding how it worked and changed a few variables to see what effect it had.

Two years later I found out that there was actually a forum.

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Posted: 26th May 2009 06:20
AMEN COMET! i did the same thing exept it was about 6 months and i found the forum.

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Posted: 26th May 2009 07:01 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2009 21:15
OFF SUBJECT

Hey @COMET,hows that peachy/kirby game coming?
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nevermind this

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Posted: 26th May 2009 23:31
im a beginner and i junped right into 3d and im doin ok!
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Posted: 26th May 2009 23:32
u'll regret it, trust me on this

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Posted: 27th May 2009 01:25
Well really don't tell him that, if he really understands it andd you tell hiim that then he might quit thinking it's 2 hard. but if he just thinks he does and keeps going (knowing it doesn't always work out) then he will realize thats not his strong suit and move on

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Posted: 27th May 2009 01:36
Quote: "I jumped into 3D first... I looked at Basic 3D/example 25.dba or something like that for months, understanding how it worked and changed a few variables to see what effect it had.Two years later I found out that there was actually a forum."

I did exactly the same.
I have improved so much thanks to the forum; before I found it I wasn't even using functions! And no main loop!
I remember I made a casino program with one game; snail racing, yep you heard me. It was pretty fun but I looked back at the code and laughed; I had subroutines for the lobby, bank and game rooms, and just jumped between them. That was 2D.

I have barely touched 3D for about 3 years! I still remember the commands though so that'll make it easier for me to get into.
I'm going to go into 3D after this Dark Noobs project is finished.

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Posted: 29th May 2009 05:23
my only problem with 3d now is that i cant make water waves(like the ocean waves) but i will figure that out through the forums
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Posted: 29th May 2009 05:27
Quote: "my only problem with 3d now is that i cant make water waves(like the ocean waves) but i will figure that out through the forums "


hmmm an idea, take it at whatever you want, would be to use a matrix (since you can deform it easily) then, for simplicity, use a box under it to check for collision or something (or around it so that you can switch collision check methods)

Normally I say stay away from matrices because they complicate things, but this could work.

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Posted: 29th May 2009 06:25
Here's me changing things up...

I hate 3D, and didn't try it until after a year of owning DarkBASIC.

I have only created one partially working game in 3D.


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Posted: 29th May 2009 07:26
my first true game was in 3d, wat happened is I went to the basic 2d help section and Im like, wheres the rest of the commands?

so I went with 3d thinkin you couldnt do much with 2d, boy was I wrong

but ya I didnt get hardly any of it so I started playing around with 2d and before I knew it, here I was on the forums using 2d 99% of the time

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Posted: 30th May 2009 21:06
I have literally never written a game in 2D in DB. I did originally when I was like 10 using Visual Basic 2005, but thats because I was unexperienced. I thought that VB was made for that that was how all programs were made and so that must be how it ws done.
But I have never touched 2D for games. I just dont see the appeal of 2D over 3D. How can 2 be better than 3?
The first thing I every did with DB was make a 3D ninja run around , from code 99% taken fromt he examples and that got me going. I then added second player contols . Collision detection . Background. Lives . And then I had my first game , learning bits each bit at a time and then adding it.

() + + =

Thanks,,,

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I actually immediately started out in 3D, and like arbiter I did regret it. I sort of lost interest in programming, and what got me back into it was NaGaCreMo. My game that I made for the event was very basic and rather primitive, but at least it was something!

I've never been able to focus on 2D. It doesn't help that DBC's 2D commands are kind of slow and inefficient either! So lately I've started focusing on learning the basic physics required to make 3D games. I'm finally beginning to understand a lot more than I have before!


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Posted: 7th Jun 2009 19:28
i never regretted jumping into 3d i used a lame game editor that only did 2d.....i ran out of ideas in about a week!

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Posted: 8th Jun 2009 02:35
Quote: "i never regretted jumping into 3d"


I would say I never regretted it either, however, I never got anywhere with my 3d games. I would either get bored or I would get stuck. After working with 2d almost exclusively for a while now, I can honestly say I have learned FAR more tricks than I ever would have in 3d. The reason: less to worry about. If you need a pic, you just open paint and make one. If you need a 3d model, then you may have some trouble.

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Posted: 9th Jun 2009 23:18
yes that may be true but you are limited to what you can do in 2d! like for an example-you want to make a game where it is like a scavenger hunt,well in 2d it is waaaayyyyy easier to find what you are looking for because everything is flat and really you cannot hide anything

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 05:41 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 06:04
I vote sticky (first I'll make it longer and edit it a bit then sticky.)


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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 07:05
You can't sticky it. only a mod can.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 15:37
I thought people voted to sticky.


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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 15:56 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 16:05
Quote: "The reason: less to worry about. If you need a pic, you just open paint and make one. If you need a 3d model, then you may have some trouble."


Not with AC3D...

And just a small tip from me: If you want to start to learn 3D, try mixing 2D with 3D. Like Super Smash Bros or Kirby 64. Just moving the 3D object along 2 axis. You'll quickly get the hang of it.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2009 19:31 Edited at: 13th Jun 2009 19:33
here's an edit I did on the tutorial 25 of the monster hunt

Edit:w,a,s,d to move now you have a RPG-7 instead of the convetional cylinder gun.


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Quote: "I thought people voted to sticky.
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People can votee sticky, and if there are a lot of people voting sticky and a mod sees it and he/she thinks it is worthy/there's room he/she can sticky it.

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Ok so I vote sticky so who's with me.


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theres already a stickyed thread on installing DBC and TDK's tutorials on learning it, not sure what good another newcomer thread would do

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TDK teaches it right, and installing DB is a completely different subject this thread teaches some programming edicute and also the watch out don't do's and the never's of programming.


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ettiquite u mean?

and watevr its not up to me neway

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You can help so that I get it stickyed by saying you vote for a sticky.


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Just because there are some people that think it should be stickied doesn't garrenty a sticky. it just means it's a pissibility.

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pissibility?

rofl

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C'mon but I don't think people are just gonna be searching in everything this clumps ettiqutte and tells people what to do so you see it is much better than that because that dosn't do this(what I'm trying to do the right way.


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......WHAT?!?!?!

that made NO sense WHATSOEVER

and yes comet thats the point i was trying to get across, we have more than enough stickeyed threads for newcomers already

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The point I'm trying to get across is no we don't


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Staying neutral here, but Arbiter, why do you want this to be a sticky so badly?

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Becuase if you just take a look at all the newcomers to darkbasic who come here and jump into 3D then give up hope I'm trying to prevent that go ahead take a look at all the other stickys who's telling them not to noone so I am dbnewbie gives freesoftware TDK give's tutorials robert the robot gives them dll's and how to set it up but who gives them confidence? That is the question. Take a look at me I almost gave up darkbasic myself, but I didn't didn't I. Only because I gathered the confidence to keep going, not everyone has that.


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Posted: 14th Jun 2009 20:37 Edited at: 14th Jun 2009 20:38
Quote: "not everyone has that"

If they dont have the confidence or the drive to keep going then they shouldn't even be coding to begin with. It's not all fun and games I'll tell you that!

If you're serious enough, you should (as a newcomer) be searching for answers instead of waiting for it to be handed to ya. The only advice I'd give a newcomer is Search for Tutorials! If they cant even do that then they should just quit!
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I don't think any message started by a newbie should be a sticky.

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So you don't think DB resources for newcomers should be a sticky.


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I trust TDK's judgment on that one.

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So why not this?


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because everything you could possibly say in this thread has already been said in the 6 already stickied threads!

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yes but this makes it alot easier becuase you don't have to do alot of searching.


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........searching?

THERE ARE 6 LINKS!!!!!

ITS NOT LIKE YOU'RE SEARCHING EVERY THREAD ON THE TGC SITE!!!!

even if you needed one tiny piece of info, just click the link, use ctrl+f to find it, it takes 60 secs max for all 6 threads!!!!

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Posted: 16th Jun 2009 02:18 Edited at: 16th Jun 2009 02:18
It looks like you are outgunned here arbiter.

Look at it this way:

A noob will break most if not all of these rules when they start regardless of if it is a sticky. Those who would read this and follow it probably wouldn't anyway, since they took the time to de-noob themselves by reading sticky's (and probably the aup too).

So, while this is a noble effort, honestly I don't think it will make a difference whether it is stickied or not.

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the jury has reached a verdict, thank god!

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I think there are enough stickys. I am a newbe and I seem to be able to think for myself. If everyone starts telling everyone else what to do instead of suggesting it, then the forums will die.
No one wants to be told that they must do things a certain way.
Also, I think anyone making a sticky for everyone to follow should at least be able to write proper english. (That is one of the reasons I don't even try to write one.)
I also have found an answer for everything I have asked on this forum.
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I would have voted sticky but then Arbiter and Smartguy both spelled etiquette wrong, and someone else wrote "pissibility", we can't encourage noobs to spell so baddley.

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