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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 28th May 2009 09:09
http://www.caligari.com/News/news_200905/LetterFromTheFounder.html

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/showthread.php?t=8396

I thought Microsoft was retarded in the first place when they acquired them. Of all 3D apps to invest in, they choose trueSpace? I also didn't like the fact they even did so. I hate MS's ventures out into markets that they shouldn't belong in. They buy all this crap up, fail at it, and then leave it ruins. And if they do succeed with it, they monopolize the market. I know a lot of you grew with trueSpace and are fond of it.

And thanks to Sketchup's piggy backing on Google's popularity it seems that, after two odd companies you never would have thought would enter the modeling scene, Google wins.

Too weird. And sad.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 09:29
Perhaps Google won compared to Microsoft, but Google hasn't won the Modeling scene, else it'd replace or be competing against Maya. I'm sure that's what you meant. I'm just being a smart-arse

Anyway I think it's kind of funny (in a sad way) regardless.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 10:52
Oh yeah, for sure. But you'd be suprised. In some studio's, it's now acceptable to include SketchUp in your workflow.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 13:27
And yet, Sketchup is actually and alright modelling tool. Sure, it's not fantastic but it's pretty intuitive.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 17:47
Why doesn't MS belong in the 3D market? They belong in as many markets as they want just as much as Google has their hands in every pie.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 22:05
Quote: "They buy all this crap up, fail at it, and then leave it ruins. And if they do succeed with it, they monopolize the market."


I'll quote a wikipedia page:

Quote: "Since the 1980s, Microsoft has been the focus of much controversy in the computer industry. The majority of criticism has been for its business tactics, often described with the motto "embrace, extend and extinguish". Microsoft initially embraces a competing standard or product, then extends it to produce their own version which is then incompatible with the standard, which in time extinguishes competition that does not or cannot use Microsoft's new version."


MS embraced trueSpace, not sure what they did to extend it, and is now extinguishing it. One has to wonder where trueSpace would be now if MS hadn't gotten it's grubby little hands on it. MS has more than enough money to keep trueSpace going, but apparently it's extended it's front's a bit to far and now needs to retract. Sounds to me like Roman history or Napoleon. Extend yourself to far and you become weak.

I have a problem with any business that does these sort of things. Autodesk, while not as maniacal as MS, seems to be very active in buying up their competitors. I don't have as much of a problem with them if they acquire a small company that, let's say, has a better UV mapping system than they do and buy to include it on their own product. That's a symbiotic relationship and making it a better place. But when you have a business monopolizing a market, competition get's less and less and the quality of the products coming out becomes poorer and poorer.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 22:14
3DS Max is great product, but i hate that autodesk purchases everything and tries to monopolize 3D Market like Microsoft does with OS Market.

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Posted: 28th May 2009 22:26
Exactly. Why does Autodesk need Maya, 3DSM AND Softimage? What purpose? There isn't one other than to make more money. And I know, I know, god forbid a business making money, but that's dirty and doesn't do anything for the consumer. It would be like Microsoft somehow gaining control of Apple, Linux and Unix. Or buying Mozilla, Chrome and Opera.

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Posted: 29th May 2009 05:22
Quote: "MS has more than enough money to keep trueSpace going, but apparently it's extended it's front's a bit to far and now needs to retract."


Since when was "having enough money to keep XYZ going" a good argument to keep something going? There is obviously a business reason for shutting it down. Microsoft surely did NOT purchase it knowing in advance they were just going to shut it down. I think people see that it's Microsoft and just see red without knowing the full situation.

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Posted: 29th May 2009 07:10
Well that and we have to remember they recently laid people off. So I don't think they are making too much money. Or at least not enough to keep the stock holders happy. :\

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Posted: 29th May 2009 20:06
To fair the economy isn't go great at the moment and we don't know how much $$$ Microsoft has and how much $$$ is coming in for Microsoft, companies make decisions so that continue to gain profit, rather than head down a path where it goes down. Hence people get laid off and companies make cuts and at the moment the recession doesn't help. It would seem that TrueSpace is one of those cuts and something they perhaps no longer have the resources for.


Though I agree that it sucks and I think at least all MS could do is keep it open for possibilities in the future or put TS 7 on their servers so people can continue to download it once Caligari's site goes down.

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Posted: 29th May 2009 20:31 Edited at: 29th May 2009 20:33
Quote: "Microsoft surely did NOT purchase it knowing in advance they were just going to shut it down. I think people see that it's Microsoft and just see red without knowing the full situation."


Actually, I thought it was fairly clear from the outset that MS just wanted to asset strip it - they nabbed their 3D tech for Virtual Earth and that's all they wanted out of the deal. Why would they keep a company afloat that deals an industry they have no experience with, and no traction in?

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Posted: 29th May 2009 21:20
Was Caligari a publicly traded company or was it privately held?


If it was privately held then its their fault for agreeing to sell it to Microsoft in the first place. Because one company cant simply buyout another privately held company without approval of the stakeholders (CEO/President/Board of Directors, etc) of the private company.

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Posted: 30th May 2009 07:30
Quote: "One has to wonder where trueSpace would be now if MS hadn't gotten it's grubby little hands on it. "

This song would've been sung a long time ago.

Besides, it would be hard to keep up something like that when competing against Maya, Blender, and the likes.

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Posted: 30th May 2009 11:57
One small point - it doesn't actually say that TrueSpace is being axed. It says that investment is being cut, which is a completely different thing altogether. That statement could mean they they are spending $10M on it this year instead of $20M.

At the end of the day, it's now a free product so investment couldn't ever be huge unless there is an alternative pipeline for drawing in cash. Maybe Sid is right, they are just holding back until trueSpace floods the market and then becomes the standard.

Let's hope it keeps going, and they do good things with it when they can afford to.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2009 18:34
they did tell us to download and backup everthing we have bought. I think Microsoft is the borg~

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2009 19:41
Quote: "I think Microsoft is the borg~"


LOL, agreed. Never heard it put like that Is Truespace what you mainly use Vickie? If so, ouch.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2009 04:04
Quote: "One small point - it doesn't actually say that TrueSpace is being axed."


Lets hope. I've been using trueSpace for as long as I've been making (more like learning the basics of how to make, which I've only been doing for about 2 or so years) 3D games. First I was using the free 3.2 version. Then I bought 5.2, and then only a few weeks later 7.6 went free! ARG!

But anyway... I hope they continue development of trueSpace, because I prefer it over the next best free 3D modeller (Blender), which will continue development. Also, I've got all those over 4GB of courses sittin' on my thumb drive just incase they take 'em off the website. I'd love it if they stayed on the site so I could clear up the space.

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