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Dark Dragon
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 01:57
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Hey all.

Dont take this the wrong way DBP users, but I personally would like to see TGC and Forum members spend just a little less time on DBP and a little more on DBC.We need some tools/functions. I\'ll be commin out with a Pack soon, like obese87, but we need mor than that. If I understand correctly,(which I most likely dont)the newer Cloudwright, Genetica, and Tree Party are not intended for use with DBC. The models on the Game creator store are not. Dark AI And Dark Phisix were designed in(I belive... ) and for DBP. And what made me write this is the fact that DarkNET Is uncompatible with DBC......Us DBC users need some products from TGC,too.

DBC Users, you with me on this?

-Thoughts from DD\'s mind

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 01:59 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 02:00
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I agree, IMO DBC is better and more user friendly for me. I would love some more packs for this to open up new DBC possibilities. Plus, think of it, what is going to happen to DBC when DBP x10 comes out? It will be left in the dust.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:03
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And Dbc has thousands of users on this board. what happens to them?

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:06 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 02:09
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They go here.



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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:06 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 02:21
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Edit button sucked my tip and wont work.

Any one else?

Edit}

Ah. there we go. off my tip.
neX, That still doesnt solve the original problem.

Edit 2}

And if I may ADD, GreenEar also is a Product that would go well with my DBC project.....DBP compatible only.

Edit 3}(Man, will some one else post...?)
3d Cloth and physics are an intergrated part of DBP >7.3 now.....DBC?..........Nothing.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:23
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Exactly, it is ridiculous the way that TGC is slowly allowing DBC to die....
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:26
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(Looks for mod)

.................Ezrotate,Dark Ink,Unity,Glory, Texture Max,Pure Plugin,etc for dbp.

Dbc?......................Nothing.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:32
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Sparky?

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Quote: "If I understand correctly,(which I most likely dont)the newer Cloudwright, Genetica, and Tree Party are not intended for use with DBC. The models on the Game creator store are not. Dark AI And Dark Phisix were designed in(I belive... ) and for DBP. And what made me write this is the fact that DarkNET Is uncompatible with DBC......"


Cloudwright and Genetica just make 2d image files that could even be opened in MS Paint, Tree Party is indeed DBPro only, the Game Creator Store models are (as far as I know) .X files (which CAN be loaded in DBC), and Dark AI, Dark Physics, and DarkNET are indeed DBPro only.

Personally, I don't understand why you would buy DBC when DBPro is only a little more. The relationship between DBC and DBPro is similar to the relationship between C and C++. The latter is pretty much the same as the former except much more powerful and expanded in every way. Unless you have a computer that is truly ancient (like if it has Windows ME), there's absolutely no need for DBC.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:35 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 02:36
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I didnt say collision.
Thats true neX,

But I've got 5 words,

T G C Created products.

And also, the tons of other unaddressed packs? Hmmmm?
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Quote: "Personally, I don't understand why you would buy DBC when DBPro is only a little more. The relationship between DBC and DBPro is similar to the relationship between C and C++. The latter is pretty much the same as the former except much more powerful and expanded in every way. Unless you have a computer that is truly ancient (like if it has Windows ME), there's absolutely no need for DBC.
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Those of us that Had DB Before DBC...? Lol.

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If DBC is truly so neglected, then surely the Star Wraith and Evochron games can't exist...

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 02:53
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Weren't those created before DBPro?
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:04
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There was an extension pack made; DLLs, networking, etc. are all part of those extensions and after 1.13 they were released for free.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:22 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 03:25
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Please. A link....

Edit}
Besides, That was only one pack. And still nothing to do with Ai or physics, or anything like that, for that matter.

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Quote: "There was an extension pack made; DLLs, networking, etc. are all part of those extensions and after 1.13 they were released for free."


Yes please post a link.


@Dark Dragon: I am behind you on this one.
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:31
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@ Zeus

Lol. I was just curious.

@ evry1 else

What I'd really like to see though, is Dark AI And Dark Physics DBC compatible. After that, I'd keep my mouth shut.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:40 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 03:42
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Quote: "Weren't those created before DBPro?"


Not the Evochron games.

But yeah, those games have full physics and AI. I don't have a clue what DLLs the guy uses, but I'd imagine it says somewhere on his site (just Google "Star Wraith" and it'll be the one at the top).

So #1: DBPro is pretty much 20x the language that DBC is, and #2 DBC isn't that neglected.

Quote: "What I'd really like to see though, is Dark AI And Dark Physics DBC compatible. After that, I'd keep my mouth shut."


If you have a computer that's fast enough to handle Nvidia PhysX, DBPro will be a pushover.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:45
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Quote: "If you have a computer that's fast enough to handle Nvidia PhysX, DBPro will be a pushover."

Well,
If i didnt, what hole would i be in

If i do, what about us who dont want and cant afford dbpro?

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:48 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 03:52
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Quote: "If i do, what about us who dont want and cant afford dbpro?"


Well, it's kind of silly to not want it. And DBPro is much cheaper than Dark Physics!

EDIT: Okay, DBPro is a little more expensive. But we're not talking about 100s or 1000s of $ we're talking about 10s.

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Quote: "
Lol. I was just curious. "


You mean to tell me I went on strike for nothing?!



I even made ribbons!


Hrmph, I am offended.
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Quote: "You mean to tell me I went on strike for nothing?!



I even made ribbons!


Hrmph, I am offended"


Lol. I was just curious, but as i went on and thought about it, i desided to post about it....


Quote: "Well, it's kind of silly to not want it. And DBPro is much cheaper than Dark Physics!"



...........

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> Zeus

Holy crap, is that real?!

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2009 03:55 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2009 03:58
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@Herakles: <sarcasm> Yes, the imagechef.com makes the image completely real, I went on strike and everything.</sarcasm> On a serious note, of course not!

No Dark Dragon don't turn to the dark (< kind of ironic huh?) side! DBC loves yewwwwwwwwwww!!! *spirals into vortex*

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Spelled Herakles name wrong.

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Spelled note wrong. Too many edits!
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Nah. I still wanna See DarkAI DBC And Dark PhisX DBC. Until then the darkside can kiss my sorry ass. You hear, TGC? I WANT DARKAI DBC!

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I think TGC should support QBasic with all their plugins as stuff as well.

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........MOD?! WHERE IS MOD?!?! I WANT MOD TO LOOK THREAD AND RESPOND!?!

lol. seriously, where is a mod?

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Dark AI might be possible in DBC, but I fail to see why TGC would spend the time it would take on such a conversion. Time that they could be using to improve DBPro.

I think that there is some kind of misconception about the difference between DBC and DBPro. DBC is pretty much DBPro except based off an older version of DirectX and with none of the advanced features. Not to mention the joke of an IDE that DBC has.

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Quote: "Dark AI might be possible in DBC, but I fail to see why TGC would spend the time it would take on such a conversion. Time that they could be using to improve DBPro.

I think that there is some kind of misconception about the difference between DBC and DBPro. DBC is pretty much DBPro except based off an older version of DirectX and with none of the advanced features. Not to mention the joke of an IDE that DBC has."



"but I fail to see why TGC would spend the time it would take on such a conversion."

?????????????

Because of People like me, who have purchased DBC with there hard earned $30 and wish to see it supported.


"Time that they could be using to improve DBPro."
I hate that statement. WHAT ABOUT DBC?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

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You have to understand that products cannot be supported forever. There comes a time when a product must be pushed aside so that focus can be placed on newer products and upcoming technologies. DBC is slow, outdated, and currently has a significantly smaller active user base than DBP.

You also have to understand that FPSC has been TGC's flagship product for many years now, and since it's made with DBP, DBP (as well as FPSC) has been the focus of their development.

So, in other words, you'll have to make do with what you have. Eventually DBP will become unsupported as well, and TGC will have a new product on the market. This cycle will repeat for as long as TGC can sustain business.

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Quote: "you'll have to make do with what you have."


What do we have?

Quote: "DBC is slow, outdated, and currently has a significantly smaller active user base than DBP."


If I may take from what was said above,have you seen StarWraith 3?
I fail to see how DBC is slow and out dated...............its not. it's just ignored. DBC IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS DBPro, DONT U GET IT?????!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!!

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TGC needed to make DarkAI for DBC and DBP in the first place. I own both DBC and DBP but I like DBC better.

Quote: "Time that they could be using to improve DBPro."

Yes but DBC is a TGC program too.

Quote: "I fail to see how DBC is slow and out dated...............its not. it's just ignored. DBC IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS DBPro, DONT U GET IT?????!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!!!!
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I agree completely.
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Quote: "I own both DBC and DBP "



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Meh, sorry. I like DBC better though and only use DBP when I want to make something that requires Blue GUI which should be made for DBC as well.
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lol.
but anyhoo, Why must dbc be discontinued? is it not, like i said, JUST AS POWERFUL AS DBP???!!!

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Why not just switch to DBP so everyone's on the same page?

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*Stones Cat*

WHAT IF I DONT WNT DBP, CANT AFFORD IT , OR JUST CANT HAVE IT,EH?

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Quote: "WHAT IF I DONT WNT DBP, CANT AFFORD IT , OR JUST CANT HAVE IT,EH?"


Oh *insert religious figure here*, I can hear the flamethrowers coming now.

But seriously, what if you can't afford DBP?
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* Anxious to get answer*
Well?

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Then you're going to have to endure with DBC the way it is.

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Quote: "but anyhoo, Why must dbc be discontinued? is it not, like i said, JUST AS POWERFUL AS DBP???!!!"


No, it's not. Just because there have been some impressive games made with it doesn't mean it's just as powerful. It uses DX 8.1 and it's interpreted. Furhthermore it has far less (if any?) support for shaders and plugins.

Quote: "But seriously, what if you can't afford DBP? "


I'm assuming you're around the age of 14 so I'd say, get a job. However if that's not the case then you'll have to find a free game dev solution. Ogre3D for graphics + SDL for input + PhysX for physics + OpenAL for sound = win!

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Sigh.....

Quote: "I'm assuming you're around the age of 14 so I'd say, get a job. However if that's not the case then you'll have to find a free game dev solution. Ogre3D for graphics + SDL for input + PhysX for physics + OpenAL for sound = win!"



Bingo. No job.

.......Thats it. I give up. DBP wins. But i'm sticking to my 98 and DBC.....

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Quote: "I'm assuming you're around the age of 14 so I'd say, get a job. However if that's not the case then you'll have to find a free game dev solution. Ogre3D for graphics + SDL for input + PhysX for physics + OpenAL for sound = win!"


I already have DBP!

Quote: ".......Thats it. I give up. DBP wins. But i'm sticking to my 98 and DBC.....
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You.. you... giver upper!
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Quote: "Bingo. No job."


You could program a virtual job in dbc, with a virtual office and everything.. doesn't that sound interesting? you could be making virtual cash in no time, you might have enough virtual money to buy virtual darkbasic pro one day

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@Dark Dragon - The mods here have no say about the prolonged support of TGC's products. If you want something done, email the company.

Companies can't support a product forever, because it will not stay profitable. Microsoft does not still support Windows 3.1, do they? DBP is more powerful than DBC, and is newer. DBC is still very capable, but it is not the first priority. When's the last time you saw a T3DGM update?

And please quite posting here every 10 minutes asking the same question. This is not a riot forum. Ask a question, then WAIT for an answer.

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.......kk.


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Thx.

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It seems that this is like your computer. When it gets old you need to upgrade to be able to stay with the group.
The next move up from DBC is DBPro.
Save your money, buy Dark Game Studio (You get them all).
After that you will probably need to upgrade your computer.
The old 1.44 floppy disks are getting scarce these days but, they used to hold all our files.
Times change.
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Don't think of Classic and Pro as separate entities. The ultimate update to Classic is Pro.

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How can you not afford DBP? Isn't it like the price of an xbox game? You could ask for moms for GTA 4 on Christmas but you couldn't grab DBP?

Just kinda odd as it doesn't cost thousands to license like 3ds max and if you're serious about programming then you might as well do it.
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