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Posted: 25th Jun 2009 06:35 Edited at: 25th Jun 2009 06:50
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OK, so, is it just me, or is the NXE really stupid and pointless yet decent at the same time? I don't mean to be rude or anything, so don't get defensive. I mean, I like the idea that Microsoft finally made a slightly decent update thing, but it's kinda...OK. It's obvious that they SO copied Nintendo's Mii idea and added the 'Soft Edges' type of theme (where the boxes are rounded off) that gives a sort of fun and modern theme, but I think they went for an approach that would appeal to both family experiences and teen / gamer experiences. I mean, it resembles the Wii a little.

They also probably noticed that Wii sales are still dwarfing 360 sales and all, so they probably thought that since the Wii is like a family and gamer type of thing, they should make a new... thing that'll satisfy gamers and families. Problem is, most 360 games are rated 'T' or above, and I don't think I'd be able to picture a 6 year old and his mom and 12 year old sister playing Nazi Zombies in COD W@W. Most Wii games aren't rated 'M', there's only a few rated 'M' games and a whole bunch rated 'E' - 'T'.

I also think Nintendo noticed how many violent games are out on the shelves, so they started approving / making more and more violent games. Yet the amount of rated 'M' games for the PS3 and the 360 pretty much still crush the amount for Nintendo systems.

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Anybody else feel free to share your ideas, I'm curious what other people have to say.

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um... this happened a long time ago? but to comment on it: yes it was influenced by the wii. no doubt about it. but, is there any reason that microsoft should keep the "hardcore" look and scare off the casual gamer crowd? not at all. microsoft's aim is to make the XBox360 not only a great gaming console, but the center of media entertainment. making it easy to use and nice to look at, i think, is a must.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2009 06:43 Edited at: 25th Jun 2009 06:51
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WOW, you guys respond really quickly here.

@what you just said, yeah, SONY did that with the PSP. I got mine a LONG time ago and still love it. It's a media entertainment system as well, with videos, music, photos, internet, Skype, games, and downloadable games.

And yes this has been posted before, but it was about when it was gonna come out.

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What's so bad about it? Do you remember the previous dashboard they used? It wasn't "hardcore" either, and it was painfully slow. At least now it's more intuitive and faster. I don't think the NXE made the console any less "hardcore".

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Posted: 25th Jun 2009 07:02 Edited at: 25th Jun 2009 07:04
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I think "painfully slow" is a bit of an understatement. Yes, it is faster and easy to use, that's why I like it. Plus, I never said it was SO bad and I never said it was any less hardcore. You're talking to jasonhtml...right?

Yes, I do like it, the avatars are extremely corny, though.


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I think the NXE is much better than the paneled effect of the first dashboard. I've grown accustom to the different look, and Microsoft is tailoring to all levels here. It has more functionality than the original dashboard, which can appeal to the more hardcore gamer as they can find more things to tinker with, and with Project Natal and Xbox Live Vision even, they are making it more and more possible for casual gamers to get into the 360. Microsoft know that the Wii's only draw is the unique gameplay that it offers, and is tailoring their console to be more like that gameplay. With the larger/more hardcore library that the 360 has compared to the Wii and the ability to be more like the Wii, Microsoft can fuel their sales to people who haven't bought a 360 yet. The NXE was one step towards actually getting to the point where they can "mimic" the Wii's ease of use. Simply put, it's catering to a broader audience, and that's fine by me. Especially when it looks nice.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2009 09:48 Edited at: 25th Jun 2009 09:49
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I think the avatar's will come into their own over time, as new features are added like streaming sports events and more direct avatar games.

I'm in 2 minds about the whole thing, I don't mind having a 3D avatar as long as it's used for something, so my profile pic is Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys, not some useless artifact of modern gaming fashion. I can see the potential, but for now, the extra hassle of the new 'dashboard' just slows me down - I find myself hitting the home key and using the quick menu there.

The problem is that you have to go looking most of the time, unless what your interested in is what Microsoft thinks gamers are into, worrying one right there. If a new demo is released then it should be on some sort of front page, with a screenshot, same goes for XBL games. Why is there no straightforward announcement history page, like practically every gaming website has. And here's something novel too, if an add-on for a game I do not own is released I don't need to hear about it, if there's some new songs for Rock Band or something that I'm interested in, then why not tell me about it. The stuff that makes it to the 'front page' is rarely relevant to me, it tends to be advertisements and videos for games that I can't even download demo's for yet.

Ohh, and why can't they offer any useful information about a game - not expecting a hint telling us how much it sucks, but there's no reason why the can't list some cheat codes for those that want them. If XBL is designed for gamers then it was designed by a fairly boring gamer. If you get bored with a game, it should be the case where you can look up some more info, like see if there are any easter eggs, things like the location of the UFO in Fallout3, Diamond locations in Farcry2, vehicle spawn numbers for GTA4. It's stuff that doesn't ruin the game, in fact the vehicle spawns for GTA4 make it infinitely more fun, spawn a helicopter, find something high to jump off, land and spawn a Sanchez, ya hoo.

IMO it should never be a case of liking or disliking it, you should be able to get it working however you like it to work. Maybe the question really is, should it be better already given Microsofts experience with UI's. Maybe they should start asking, and stop telling us what we want. Their image of a hardcore gamer is a 12 year old American with ADD, unlike Nintendo who assume everyone has ADD .


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Ugh, I was so glad when I connected to the internet with my 360 and got the NXE so it didn't look as bad. The avatar thing? There's nothing wrong with copying good ideas, the games and computer industry have been doing it for years and Microsoft is not the only culprit either. My avatar work as my XBL avatar, I got to design it and make it look like me without much effect - though I can't play with my character like on Wii sports or PSN Home, but it is precisely what it calls itself, an avatar. Though I'm sure more features for them will come along.

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Quote: "so my profile pic is Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys"


Where did you get that? I want a Ricky profile pic

Quote: "though I can't play with my character like on Wii sports or PSN Home, but it is precisely what it calls itself, an avatar."


Oh but you can Several games have avatar support, some of which you can actually control your character.

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Quote: "WOW, you guys respond really quickly here."

Try out the Ubuntu forums, I got a 2 page thread in under 30-60 minutes...


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Quote: "Oh but you can Several games have avatar support, some of which you can actually control your character.

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I see, well I stand corrected, so I might look them up.

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I borrowed a 360 webcam thing from my brother, then just snapped Bubbles from a google image search on my PC monitor and set it as my profile pic. Only friends can see it though. I did the same thing for a mate, he has Conky on his profile .

TPB is the best show ever, looking forward to 'Countdown to liquor day'.


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Quote: "TPB is the best show ever, looking forward to 'Countdown to liquor day'."


Agreed. Do you get the unedited versions where you are? I hear in the US they censor all the bad language. It's funny, they play TPB here about 20 different times throughout the channels every day

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Posted: 26th Jun 2009 04:49
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Quote: "Oh but you can Several games have avatar support, some of which you can actually control your character."


Which ones? Now that SO copies the Mii idea, but whatever... That's Nintendo's problem.

Yes, I like the NXE, too, it's just different and too family-ish. I dunno... Still cool, though.

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Quote: "Which ones? Now that SO copies the Mii idea, but whatever... That's Nintendo's problem."

It's not a problem, it's competition. I don't remember the last time I saw something "new" that didn't have something ripped off another product.

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You know I've never seen TPB on TV here once! - the show it on MTV and stuff, but it's still not hugely well known, has more of a cult following here. I have all the DVD's, so my enjoyment has been untainted . I do download the mini-movies too of course, until they make enough to fill a DVD.


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Quote: "It's not a problem, it's competition"


Ah, that's an excellent point, I never thought of it that way.

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Quote: "I have all the DVD's, so my enjoyment has been untainted"


Sadly I haven't seen all the episodes, but rather just watch the random ones they play on TV. My timeline of the show is a little messed up for sure without watching it in order!

I honestly think Ricky's character is one of the funniest on TV. So much of that dialogue is ad-libbed from what I hear.



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I hate the NXE. I found the old dashboard much more intuitive. Also, NXE is a lot slower when browsing the marketplace. I wish I could get the old dashboard back

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One pitfall was the wierd grey semi circle which cuts the entire bottom half of your wallpaper off...

The old themes i bought look tacky now...


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I heard the guide button brings up a menu that is basically the old dashboard. I'm still trying to find out if it's true though.


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I hated the old dashboard, it was clunky and didn't work aswell as NXE, i don't really browse around the shop much or anything but my user section bit so i don't care. I don't really get why people are moaning its "less hardcore", as long as it works why should it matter? It works well in my opinion but i do agree that it should be tailored to your own experience, with ads and games downloads appearing on your own list. It wouldn't be that hard to implement i assume, because it stores your games list. I'm sick of seeing 10+ Lips tracks taking up space...I don't own it.

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Yeah I know what you mean.

EDIT: Man, it's amazing how fast a thread can get abandoned...

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@PW Productions Manager - I've removed your Avatar. 901.69KB is a little too big I'm afraid. I suggest scaling the image down to 50x50 in an image editor to reduce the size.

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I like NXE dashboard better. Except for all the ads they have for bull crap that nobody wants.

I did like the old dashboard to but everything seemed cluttered in a small space. Every page is full everywhere. I like the rounded off squares on the new dashboard about 200 times better.
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