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Posted: 26th Jun 2009 12:39
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Quote: "Anyway, I don't believe it just yet. Everyone seems to be getting this from one particular website, whereas other sources are reporting him as in a coma."


This is why I didn't post last night and at my scepticism this morning, I checked on the BBC website and they've confirmed it.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8119993.stm

The BBC waited until they could get confirmation before other news sources jumped on it and spread the news, in other words they wanted to do some real journalism before copying what everybody else is saying and what was potentially a rumour. )


Michael Jackson was a legend in my books - it's sad to see a legend of a generation to die so soon, I was kind of interested to see if he had it in him for his up-coming performance. Think what you like of him, he was a talented man and entertained a generation skillfully. I sincerely doubt the child molestation claims are true.


Quote: "My point (while trying not to be insensitive) is that there are more important things in the news then yet another death... at least in my opinion.

He was an artist and will be missed, but we get nowhere holding our heads down."


I'd agree if the News milked the death of a famous person and they sometimes do and it is annoying, as you need to get over it. But famous people have fans, and it's perhaps fair to let people know that somebody very famous has died and people that liked that famous person can have some grief and have empathy for the friends and families that lost and when you respect somebody, you're going to care about them enough to be effected by their death, even if you've never met them. Obsessing over it on the other hand is just daft. If this went on for the next week or so, I'd be turning around and saying, "get over it, we know he's dead."

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Posted: 26th Jun 2009 12:47 Edited at: 26th Jun 2009 12:50
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I have more sympathy for someone like MJ being covered on the news, mainly because he has actually had a significant cultural impact. He's been around a long time, and has some actual genuine talent (or at least, did at some point, I think it tapered off in later life, mainly because of his dependence on medication, and illnesses etc.) and hence a reason for being covered at all.

At least, he's vastly more worthy of news coverage than someone like Jade Goody - who did nothing of any importance what-so-ever (other than appearing in a reality TV show, and then making racist comments against an Indian woman. Oh, and then she got cancer - much like millions of other [normal] people across the world. Good causes for recognition there ) and did not deserve the glut of sympathy reporting that she received.

Also, I think being a music figure makes him more worthy of coverage in general. Auditory 'fragments' are a really big part of how we remember things - and being a long lasting artist across a big expanse of time means millions of people probably remember certain events coinciding with either his music or his releases etc. meaning he is important to them, and hence their memories of certain times.

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The news does overdo it though. Over here in America many radio stations were only playing Michael Jackson songs and several shows that were marked to record on my DVR were replaced with shows about Michael Jackson. We'll all miss him but we are all suffering from Michael overload over here.

The same thing happened back when the space shuttle Challenger blew up (the one with the teacher on it). I was in 7th grade back then and every classroom had a TV with the shuttle blowing up over and over again all day. At home it was the same thing... every channel was playing the explosion over and over again... yes it's a tragic loss but the news media drilling it into our heads is just inhumane.

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I agree with you there David R. Though it's sad that Jade Goody died of cancer and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but her time in the spotlight is insignificant and she wasn't particularly a good specimen of humanity, it seems strange that people say now that she is dead, that she was a good role model, whilst she faced cancer bravely, which can be inspiring, but she was not a good role model.

Michael Jackson is a significant cultural impact and probably will remain in the media for a while, but milking his death is just going to be disrespectful and I hope they respect Jermaine Jackson's request to leave him and his family alone.

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See there's a lot to be said for not reading newspapers, watching news programmes, or going outside. I haven't been bugged by it all day, I only noticed when I saw the paper headlines at the petrol station this morning.

I shouldn't really post my thoughts on the man/myth/freak, I'm more saddened by Farrah Fawcett's death, in fact I'm more saddened by my cola getting warm. No offense to fans of MJ, I just never took to the man, in fact he gave me the creeps from day 1.


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No matter what I think of him as a person or his music, it is sad that such an artist now is dead. And so sudden.

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VanB, I don't think anybody should be offended, after all if you don't care about him, then you don't have to be effected by his death.

Conversely I am unaffected by Farah Fawcett's death, because she's made no impact on me, though it is sad and I wish the best for family and friends, I find myself not particularly bothered. I never watched Charlie's Angels and that's the only thing I am aware she was famous for.

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You were right about the news. We get 5 minutes on the hour. They covered MJ every hour and sometimes it took the whole program.
Not one mention of Farrah Fawcett who I though was much better looking.
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Posted: 26th Jun 2009 14:23 Edited at: 26th Jun 2009 14:24
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Another one bites the dust.. I guess his music will worth more now he is "dead" .
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Quote: "in fact he gave me the creeps from day 1."


Even when he was part of the Jackson 5
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Looks like the cause of the heart attack was food poisoning.



I was pretty upset about the coverage this was getting when there is some pretty crazy stuff going on in the world at the moment. Can not say I am in any way saddened by his death.

Looks like its not just me that thinks this



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Quote: "And no one mentioned Farrah Fawcett. Died of Cancer. "

Funny you should mention that. I was watching Entertainment Tonight last night, and the whole show was about Farrah Fawcett. They had like 30 seconds of "Michael Jackson is in the hospital!", and that was it. Kinda racist, don't ya think? Proof:

Farrah Fawcett - white, good looking blonde girl, in miraculous but losing battle with cancer

Michael Jackson - black male who, at one point, was on trial for pedophilia (not convicted, but on trial). Also was broke as heck and died of apparent cardiac arrest

Guess which one ET put on television last night? They both die on the same day, MJ gets almost zero coverage. And people wonder why white people are branded as racists.

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I've never heard of Farrah Fawcett until reading this thread and I'm sick of her/him/it already.

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Quote: "And people wonder why white people are branded as racists."


Puh-lease.

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Quote: "Guess which one ET put on television last night? They both die on the same day, MJ gets almost zero coverage. And people wonder why white people are branded as racists."


or of course the point that ET is not a live show it's pre-recorded and they thought Farrah was going to be the big news in the entertainment world that night. little did they know

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White people are branded racist since...when? If anybody claims that white people are racist are racist themselves and I don't think I've heard anybody claim it.

As for Farah vs MJ, how can you even claim it to be a race issue? Sure she's white and he was black. It means nothing.

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His heart-Attack was probably when his nose dropped off...
He should've been used to it, I guess not...

Just kidding...

Sad to see him go, I was actually anticipating his come-back...


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Michael who?

Meh.

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You guys want me banned but didn't even take notice to Hobgoblin Lord?...Meh...At least I liked his music. Although, he did creep me out.
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His post must have been missed. But it's a bit early for jokes isn't it?

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Quote: "or of course the point that ET is not a live show it's pre-recorded and they thought Farrah was going to be the big news in the entertainment world that night. little did they know"

I don't think ET is pre-recorded. Just a guess here, but MJ died pretty late in the day yesterday, and ET comes on at 630 CDT. By the time I heard he was dead it was already 5 pm. If they pre-recorded the show, they wouldn't have mentioned him at all.

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Quote: "Guess which one ET put on television last night? They both die on the same day, MJ gets almost zero coverage. And people wonder why white people are branded as racists."


She died first so she was the lead story they worked on more. They aren't going to drop all the stuff they did just because a "more important" person dies later.

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That was just stupid, Leon Kennedy.

First of all, they were already talking about her. Second, Farah got like zero coverage because of the MJ thing. So why not talk about her? Was every other channel not enough coverage for ol' MJ?
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Quote: "You guys want me banned but didn't even take notice to Hobgoblin Lord?...Meh...At least I liked his music. Although, he did creep me out."


I don´t want to ban you. Sure, may have been an inapropriate comment, but not enough for a ban in my opinion, not even close, lol.

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Quote: "I have more sympathy for someone like MJ being covered on the news, mainly because he has actually had a significant cultural impact."


That's a very cold thing to say. Just because he was famous means that you have more sympathy for Michael Jackson than for the innumerable amount of non-famous human beings who died on the planet Earth yesterday? Being famous doesn't make you any more human than those who aren't famous.

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Quote: "That's a very cold thing to say. Just because he was famous means that you have more sympathy for Michael Jackson than for the innumerable amount of non-famous human beings who died on the planet Earth yesterday? Being famous doesn't make you any more human than those who aren't famous."

In my opinion, someone who has entertained people and make an impact culturally is more worth remembering than someone who hasn't, but then I am cold hearted.

RIP Michael Jackson.

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Quote: "Jeku: He is as innocent as OJ."

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I don't believe the child molesting accusation, I hate how stupid society is that all it takes is for one person to say something and it becomes instant fact! I remember when the Stars in Their Eyes host (forgot his name; Matthew something) was accused of rape by some tart and his reputation was totally destroyed for about a year because of it, even though she just made it up!

RIP Michael. I feel sorry for him, I think he would have lived a happier life had he not been famous at all.

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How many soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday? What were their names, and who did they leave behind? Who will tell of their lives and accomplishments? Where is their thirty minute video story. How many children died of hunger and disease around the world? Are they less important than Michael?

Every death is a tragedy, but it happens more than 100,000 times a day. I'll save my sorrow and respect for someone who means something to me.

If it sounds like I don't like him, it's not true. I don't know him. I'm just tired of the media trying to make some peoples lives more important than others.

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Quote: "How many soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday? What were their names, and who did they leave behind? Who will tell of their lives and accomplishments? Where is their thirty minute video story. How many children died of hunger and disease around the world? Are they less important than Michael?

Every death is a tragedy, but it happens more than 100,000 times a day. I'll save my sorrow and respect for someone who means something to me.
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True indeed.


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The reason celebrities' deaths get blown out of proportion by the media is because celebrities are creatures of the media. They're in the spotlight already, so when something happens to them it's much easier to sell newspapers than trying to build an interest in non-celebrities.

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I know the reason, I just don't like it.

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That's another reason why I can't watch the news. It's all such BS.

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I was watching CNN in the waiting room before my surgery today, and the entire 30 minutes or so I saw was about Michael Jackson. Meanwhile the scrolling updates along the bottom read: Baghdad blast kills 15, dozens injured in train accident, droughts devastate crops in India.

At least they've got their priorities straight.


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Quote: "Guess which one ET put on television last night? They both die on the same day, MJ gets almost zero coverage. And people wonder why white people are branded as racists."


Turn the TV or the radio on or grab *any* newspaper from today. It's all MJ. Your race issue is null and void. Next.

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Quote: "How many soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq yesterday? What were their names, and who did they leave behind? Who will tell of their lives and accomplishments? Where is their thirty minute video story. How many children died of hunger and disease around the world? Are they less important than Michael?

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I can understand you sentiment xplosis, but the point is that people do like to know where their favourite famous person has died.

Though I find all deaths to be tragic, and see MJ's death to be no different to the tragic deaths of many others, I think when a person responsible for a cultural impact or has effected a good number of people, then their death should at least be reported, and from those who respect them, a tribute.

To milk it dry on the other hand? That's just blood thirsty and disrespectful, as no doubt the media will.

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wow, i knew he died, but i didnt know exactly when and now i know that he died on my birthday

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Quote: ""fire shower of nuclear retaliation" in the event of a US attack."


Why do people have little moral understanding, sure he was loved by many , but in the time it took me to write this post 500 people died globally. Tell me now why people wonder why i dont really care about a single man. Call me a self rightous emotinally insensitive Ba#####d. Heres a quick reasoning for persective

See A nuclear firestorm = ALL OF US DEAD
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One man who thinks hes peterpan saving little kids dies?
You tell me?

Wow am honestly surprised that people are that oblivious, arogant or just plain stupid.

Working it out roughly from G.D.NW. amnerica holds over 2000nukes. north korea plans to have 200nukes, and the rest is about 20,000 around the world.
To be honest itd only take 12 nukes to destroy the world as the fallout will do the rest. the other 22188 nukes are just overkill.

hell they do say ignorance is bliss, so slapping M.J on the news blinds people to the possible global destruction of US, Great plan...

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People who don't understand why the death of a famous person results in lots of media coverage are idiots.

Of course such people won't have the intellect to know what I'm talking about still so I'll explain! If an ant dies, who cares? No one, because this ant hasn't affected your life. If a pet dies, who cares? Its owner, as well as anyone else close to it, aka the ones whose lives it has affected. If a famous person dies, who cares? Everyone who has been affected by them, due to MJ being probably the most popular male pop singer to have ever lived and having entertained probably hundreds of millions of people for years with his music and what not, loads of people care. What happens when something in the world happens that loads of people care about? It gets reported in the news!

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Quote: "To be honest itd only take 12 nukes to destroy the world as the fallout will do the rest"


It really depends what you mean by "destroy the world", but to produce the standard collapsed-buildings-red-sky scenario from films etc on a planet wide scale I think it would take more than the entire arsenal.

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The point is people DO CARE that people die everyday, but it's senseless to allow yourself to be effected by it, because we'd get nothing done. Hence the media rarely reports that.

A famous person has earn a name for themselves and a good number of people care about their death, not only that, they would like to know, right? It makes sense to report it.

IT DOESN'T HOWEVER MAKE ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DIE EACH DAY LESS IMPORTANT. It's when a well known person dies, the news of their death has to be made well known. It's logical.

As far as tribute stuff goes, people who have made an impact always do get a tribute, during and after their death. We get documentaries dedicated to Jimi Hendrix and we get ones dedicated to The Red Hot Chilli Peppers. We get tributes when the person dies too.

The only problem is that the media tend to milk it.

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Quote: "Why do people have little moral understanding, sure he was loved by many , but in the time it took me to write this post 500 people died globally. Tell me now why people wonder why i dont really care about a single man. Call me a self rightous emotinally insensitive Ba#####d. Heres a quick reasoning for persective

See A nuclear firestorm = ALL OF US DEAD
OR
One man who thinks hes peterpan saving little kids dies?
You tell me?

Wow am honestly surprised that people are that oblivious, arogant or just plain stupid.

Working it out roughly from G.D.NW. amnerica holds over 2000nukes. north korea plans to have 200nukes, and the rest is about 20,000 around the world.
To be honest itd only take 12 nukes to destroy the world as the fallout will do the rest. the other 22188 nukes are just overkill.

hell they do say ignorance is bliss, so slapping M.J on the news blinds people to the possible global destruction of US, Great plan...

-cb"


Man, it is one thing to make ones mans death the most important thing in the world. But there is nothing wrong to find it sad that the man is dead. It has nothing to do with perspective, it has to do with the fact that people matter, even if it is just one person.

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Quote: "People who don't understand why the death of a famous person results in lots of media coverage are idiots."


I don't know of anyone who doesn't understand it. Just people who don't like it. Anyway, try to keep the discussion pertaining to the subject, and don't make it personal by calling others with differing points of view "idiots".

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Quote: "Anyway, try to keep the discussion pertaining to the subject, and don't make it personal by calling others with differing points of view "idiots"."



Agreed. A man is dead, lets be respectful and keep to the topic.

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I don't see the reason to hate it, because it doesn't mean any disrespect to anybody and it doesn't mean the lesser-known man is not important.

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Quote: "Why do people have little moral understanding, sure he was loved by many , but in the time it took me to write this post 500 people died globally. Tell me now why people wonder why i dont really care about a single man. Call me a self rightous emotinally insensitive Ba#####d. Heres a quick reasoning for persective

See A nuclear firestorm = ALL OF US DEAD
OR
One man who thinks hes peterpan saving little kids dies?
You tell me?

Wow am honestly surprised that people are that oblivious, arogant or just plain stupid.

Working it out roughly from G.D.NW. amnerica holds over 2000nukes. north korea plans to have 200nukes, and the rest is about 20,000 around the world.
To be honest itd only take 12 nukes to destroy the world as the fallout will do the rest. the other 22188 nukes are just overkill.

hell they do say ignorance is bliss, so slapping M.J on the news blinds people to the possible global destruction of US, Great plan...
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hmmm I did just get a tad carried away.

sorry folks.

I understand the effect that he has on people, idolised ect.
I just seen redish and went for it.
sorry
As for the post apocalipic world



Freedom has always had a price... Most will never know it, Some will pay your dept,
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dark coder
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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 16:09
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Quote: "and don't make it personal by calling others with differing points of view "idiots"."


I didn't; understanding why the media publishes news about the death of famous people isn't an opinion.

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Chris K
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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 17:53
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Quote: "of my standards, as
inhabitial by human and other life, it would happen by 12 nukes,
fissionable material and 'rad winds' would do the rest, ands thats
assuming the nuke dosnt detonate another stockpile. Every state is
america has 2-20 bases here in britian am not too sure, the bases
are alot fewer since we have less of them. Long story short,
russia can destroy the world by your standards (the flat storm)
29-34 times america 27 and England 6."


I really, really don't think this is true.
I mean the most powerful nuclear bombs have blast radii of about 5km, with radiation maybe spreading 20km - and there are really not very many bombs that powerful.

It would take 1 or 2 bombs per city, I think.

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 18:12
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I'm not an expert on nuclear bombs (let's say I'm not), but radiation can go far and wide. After the chernobyl incident, radation came across Norway. Not in any huge quantity, but I was born that year and look how I turned out. You don't want a planet full of Grandmas do you?

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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 18:27 Edited at: 27th Jun 2009 18:34
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its hard 2 believe MJ is dead! it is sad he only died at 50! it is unbelievable! well at least he wont have to pay off his debt
(i guess people dont care about farrah fawcett lol)

the modern government tries to make time,into money that is why clock are not free! in theory time is actually money!
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