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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 19:43 Edited at: 27th Jun 2009 19:46
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I recently made a post about Bob Parsons, the CEO of GoDaddy in another thread, and thought a "Corporate Bad Guy" thread was needed. Here's the quote.

Quote: "...I still refuse to use their services from that experience, but also because I have a dislike for the CEO. Bob Parsons (GoDaddy CEO) tries to look good by donating money to groups like perverted-justice, but all he's doing is trying to cover up his own dirt. His old blog contained a number of slurs against women, Muslims, and the practices at Guantanamo Bay. Then he allows his marketing team to advertise his company with softcore pornography - and then tries calling himself a feminist?"


I don't mean to bash the guy directly, I respect him for serving in Vietnam, but he needs to become more honest. GoDaddy is not even close to being an Enron, but their marketing practices and false promises make them a candidate for most disrespectful company.

When it comes to the marketing scandal, I can see how it's smart in the sense that it attracts controversy and attention from heterosexual males, but it's a cheat. Not only does it earn disrespect from a women, parents, and corporate identities, but it's essentially cheating the public and fueling the narrow minded stereotypes set in place by the media. In a way, they're feeding a classic monster. I've personally had bad experiences with GoDaddy, but their monstrous size continues to grow, and there's not much anyone can do about it. And don't even get me started on the "GoDaddy girls" and the plans for a Playboy copycat.

Obviously, when it comes to advertising you want to attract attention, and it's pretty clear that GoDaddy's strategy worked if it exploited the minds of football enthusiasts during the superbowl (they reeled them right in!).

It's just setting a bad example for future marketers and corporations. To me, it sounds like GoDaddy is trying to exploit the labeled "typical men" and abandoning the needs of ye olde honest geeks.

Not to be hostile to GoDaddy though.


EDIT: Of course they have a perfect BBB profile, the consumers that they're exploiting think they're the best company around.

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I thought this was going to be about evil game companies... like some of their desires to gobble up any smaller game companies that seem like a threat.

All I can say about Bob Parsons is he knows that sex always sells.

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LOL!



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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 20:49 Edited at: 27th Jun 2009 20:50
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Coincidence? I think not. Do the ads look for keywords in posts? I noticed the same thing happened the in the Michael Jackson thread.

Anyway, I agree Grog, but it's the fact that they're blatantly using dirty old fashioned techniques to make money. For me, the thread is more about Bob Parsons being a douche bag.

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Wait, he's a douche for using women to sell a product, and for having opinions about political and cultural things that go against the grain? Please. In my eyes it makes him more respectable to be an individual and not just another cookie-cutter MBA.

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I have a GoDaddy account and in my honest opinion, it sucks. Don't go with them. I never will again. All their management software is just all bloated and sucky. I also don't totally agree with their marketing strategy.

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Thank you AD.

@Jeku Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including Bob Parsons. He's a hypocrit and a liar, and that's the major problem. Jeku, you can't possibly encourage the fueling of cultureless media and valueless stereotypes? That's exactly what he's doing. There's obviously a bigger issue behind this, but I'll spare you "the talk" and let you figure it out for yourself.

Quote: "...not just another cookie-cutter MBA."


To me, he sounds like the classic CEO, very Machiavellian. I've met plenty of CEOs in my lifetime, and a good number of them (most of them) were very honest people. You know what, you're right, he's not a cookie-cutter MBA, he's a narrow minded ass, quite unique compared to the many honest CEOs I've met.

A lot of people try to bring up his donations. Have you noticed, all of his donations go from one controversial group to another?

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GoDaddy sucks, yeah. How does that make them evil?

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Posted: 27th Jun 2009 23:09 Edited at: 27th Jun 2009 23:10
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Quote: "Jeku, you can't possibly encourage the fueling of cultureless media and valueless stereotypes?"


Can you give me some examples of the cultureless media and valueless stereotypes? Because he uses women (gasp!) in his ads? His opinions are too extreme for you? So don't buy his products.

I have 13 domain names through GoDaddy, but I don't host through them. I think they're decently priced and GoDaddy is a big name.

Quote: "A lot of people try to bring up his donations. Have you noticed, all of his donations go from one controversial group to another?"


So? A person has the freedom to donate to any charity they feel. Because it's controversial doesn't automatically make it wrong. Which charities are you referring to?

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Quote: "cultureless media and valueless stereotypes?"


I think Danica Patrick would be somewhat offended by that statement. Would it be less "valueless" if they picked an unattractive woman?

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@Jeku He's using sex to advertise their services. He's fueling the classic style media to re-wire the way the public thinks. Sexuality is not supposed to be some novelty item you can just buy, or that it'll reward you if you buy it. Sexuality is supposed to be the spiritual and physical harmony of the communication of two spirits, not some cash and reward system.

One of the controversial charities I'm referring to is Perverted-Justice. From a blackboard perspective, everyone thinks it's a great concept. I myself agree with the concept. But it's not a good idea (in my opinion) for GoDaddy to donate money to an organization that's in hot water, when GoDaddy themselves are in hot water (this happened during the whole GoDaddy sex advertising fiasco), it's just bad for their image. It would be like Bernie Madoff giving 10 million dollars to Rush Limbaugh while he was on trial (that makes no sense, I know).

But seriously, what's next? GoDaddy might as well use Ann Coulter as their next GoDaddy girl, because it would attract so much attention from the news, and that's really all that GoDaddy wants - attention. Of course there's other companies out there committing worse practices, but GoDaddy will always be one of those "clean" companies because of their brute power.

On the technical side, they just plain suck. I can get cheaper domains from companies like Netfirms that have the same technological power without being shoved onto a server with 1,500 other websites that could potentially negatively affect your website.

Anyway -

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Posted: 28th Jun 2009 00:25 Edited at: 28th Jun 2009 00:26
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Rush Limbaugh has millions of fans across the US. As a matter of fact I like Ann Coulter. Because they're on the "wrong" end of YOUR political spectrum you find them controversial? Funny

And dude, sex sells. Just because you don't agree with it, does not make it an illegitimate practice. You can't watch an hour of TV on any station without a product having a good looking sexy woman advertising their wares. Can't say I agree with some of the ads, but GoDaddy is hardly the only one doing that kind of thing.

Quote: "this happened during the whole GoDaddy sex advertising fiasco"


Are you sure you didn't dream this? I've never heard anything about GoDaddy's practices until you brought them up.

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What's wrong with Perverted Justice? Seems pretty legit to me.

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Everyone's entitled to their opinion

But I'd have to say you're the first person I've ever talked to that has had a like for Ann Coulter. So which quote of hers is your favorite?

"Canadians better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."

or maybe the one about the 9/11 victims' wives:

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis... These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation. I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much."

or perhaps:

"Southerners are truly our warrior class."

Or her response to a student's question "You don't want the Democrats in power, so does that mean you want a dictatorship?"

Answer: "You don't want the Republicans in power, does that mean you want a dictatorship, gay boy?"

That's odd, she's so conservative but so liberal about making sure the world knows her opinion. I think she deserves a thread of her own. I'll start one, we'll see how much support you get Jeku.

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We're never going to get away from ads with sex either right there in your face or implied in sexual innuendo.

Even the Got Milk ads with just a woman with a milk mustache were using sex sells... subconsciously we all thought "Is that really milk on her upper lip?".

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You're right. I'm just saying it's unfortunate that we've sold our culture down the river.

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@Jeku

First of all, Perverted-Justice is mostly composed vigilantes. Secondly, they're know for being very brute when it comes to setting up stings. Not all of the perps they catch get convicted of a crime, because during stings, PV is known for putting words in people's mouths, and try to make things look bad. I do agree with what they're doing though, but that only goes so far. I agree with what they're doing as long as they don't cross the line.

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Quote: "I've personally had bad experiences with GoDaddy"


I think that pretty much sums up the tone and purpose of this thread.

I currently have 26 domains and hosted sites with GoDaddy. I've had more or less over the last few years, and haven't had a glitch. I probably shouldn't have said that because you know what's going to happen now. LOL

I've seen his somewhat sexy commercials. I would consider them mildly suggestive, but that's up to you. That certainly doesn't bother me any more than anyone else who does it, and as for his opinions, I could care less. I'm not hiring him to give classes at my Sunday School.

This smells like a vendetta to me.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2009 01:24 Edited at: 28th Jun 2009 01:24
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Sex sells on the other ends as well, at least in the UK we have sexually orientated adverts for women too - attractive, young men with hardly anything on handing them a sweet scented deodorant in strikingly sexy poses (for women of course, I don't find them sexy ). But I don't think I'd go as far as saying that advertisements are enforcing any kind of sexuality, sex is just something people like and the advertising industry knows how to exploit that. Perhaps it is a better reflection of the general public and people who buy these products rather than the morality of the company itself.

As for 'uncultured'? Sex has been cultured long before the advertisement industry. It's just in our classic literature and classical art and I suppose sex inspired some great classical music too - our ancient worlds were very open about sex. Great artwork inspired by the classical writing of Ovid and the Greek and Roman mythology has been erotic, heck my copy of the the 'Metamorphoses' has a naked lady on the front cover. Ovid was even exiled for what has been speculated as sexual writing of the Emperor's daughter and Ovid is perhaps the key inspiration of literature today, certainly he influenced a lot of art, but also Chaucer and Shakespeare - you can see many of his archetypes spreading into contemporary writing too. The Ancient Greeks were a horny bunch too if you look at their culture. It's nothing new.

I don't see it being a thread to family values unless the family has no values in the first place.

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Anne Coulter's an insufferable idiot, did you see that interview (with a Canadian channel) where she tried to say that Canada went into Vietnam with the US?

Her raison d'etre is to cause arguments, she has absolutely no intention of helping anyone or advanving the debate in any meaningful way. What an utterly pointless life.

Why do you like her Jeku? I've also never seen anyone say they like her before.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2009 01:37 Edited at: 28th Jun 2009 01:40
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@That C++ Nerd - I have NEVER read an article Ms. Coulter has written that I disagreed with. Every one of those quotes you have posted were taken out of context. It doesn't surprise me, as that's typically the kind of leftist technique I've seen people use to attack people like her. It's really nothing new

As for creating the new thread to see how much "support I get"--- classy. I don't need to get "backed up" by strangers on a programming forum about my personal views, and have found it offensive that you feel you must prove something just because I disagree with you.

I didn't lock that thread by the way.

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Quote: "Anne Coulter's an insufferable idiot, did you see that interview (with a Canadian channel) where she tried to say that Canada went into Vietnam with the US?"


Yes I did see it, and she made a mistake. Wow, glad to see some of us are taking notes here. How many hundreds of mistakes can I bring up that left wing commentators have said? Again, the typical leftist reaction, and I really couldn't care less if others disagree with me

Quote: "Her raison d'etre is to cause arguments, she has absolutely no intention of helping anyone or advanving the debate in any meaningful way. What an utterly pointless life. Why do you like her Jeku? I've also never seen anyone say they like her before."


Let's see, she has 7 New York Times bestselling books. I'm not the only one who likes her *obviously*.

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I have nothing against sex. I just have an objection to people putting capitalism and sexual nature in one toolbox. Our ancestors on the plains of Africa had no need to exploit sexuality to gain something. Capitalists exploiting sex is unnatural and unhealthy, it's just a way for them to press the hormone button and extort the victim into turning off - just without them directly knowing.

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Don't take it too personal. I agree with you about that forum quote You never know, I could be more of a friend than an enemy. I respect that you have your own opinion, because many people go on not caring about what their own opinion is, and become extremely narrow minded as a result. I just don't agree with your opinion.

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@The C++ Nerd - Nice to hear that, thanks We can agree to disagree and be civil.

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Agreed. Any other corporate bad guys that anyone else wants to talk about?

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Quote: "How many hundreds of mistakes can I bring up that left wing commentators have said? Again, the typical leftist reaction, and I really couldn't care less if others disagree with me"


I doubt it's fair to turn around and say 'typical leftist', the left has their loud-mouthed one-sided folk as do the right and those that draw up a stereotype, but a stereotype is not necessarily a typical thing.

I'm a righty-lefty, so I'm not taking a bias in standing up for the left here.


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I have nothing against sex. I just have an objection to people putting capitalism and sexual nature in one toolbox. Our ancestors on the plains of Africa had no need to exploit sexuality to gain something. Capitalists exploiting sex is unnatural and unhealthy, it's just a way for them to press the hormone button and extort the victim into turning off - just without them directly knowing."


Personally I've never noticed a negative effect, at least from my understanding, all adverts exploit you to a degree because they're touching your soft spots to persuade you to buy their product. Though I am unaware of any studies to suggest there are sexual drives and acts afterwards based on sexual advertisement. I see it as no less unhealthy than viewing anything sexual in a television program or a film. The sexy images still arise, particularly if you're watching a drama with a cast of very poorly dress good looking people.

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Quote: "I have nothing against sex. I just have an objection to people putting capitalism and sexual nature in one toolbox. Our ancestors on the plains of Africa had no need to exploit sexuality to gain something. Capitalists exploiting sex is unnatural and unhealthy, it's just a way for them to press the hormone button and extort the victim into turning off - just without them directly knowing."


Right, so I guess it's also wrong to advertise on the television since so many people watch it that it is unfair to brainwash unsuspecting persons

I also notice you say "Capitalists" as if you weren't one.

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What are you getting at?

Well, besides getting around in the current reality, I really don't have a desire for money. I've grown up my entire life on little to no money.

But capitalism is installed in all of us - not naturally but conditioned by society.

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GoDaddy is fine by me...

The business websites I run and other sites that I administer, manage, or service on GoDaddy made me the $$ to pay for all the gaming stuff I buy here at TGC and much, much, much, more...

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I spent months and years looking for an affordable webhost that would provide a shell account along with scaleable bandwidth needed to support fast-growing websites. One day your website has no traffic at all, and then next, you're getting thousands of hits an hour. I went through three other webhosts before settling on GoDaddy, and GoDaddy handles traffic spikes well.

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Quote: "What are you getting at?

Well, besides getting around in the current reality, I really don't have a desire for money. I've grown up my entire life on little to no money.

But capitalism is installed in all of us - not naturally but conditioned by society."


Yeah, that's why cavemen sat around sharing and talking about politics and other nonimportant issues instead of working to survive It's all society's fault. What a stupid idea, banding together as a species to survive... Who thought up that?

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Quote: "Let's see, she has 7 New York Times bestselling books. I'm not the only one who likes her *obviously*."


Yes, I understand that people like her - people also vote for the BNP, I asked why do you like her?

I have seen an a lot of her and all she ever does is stir up arguments and generally behave like a schoolgirl. I mean, calling John Edwards a faggot, always saying Barrack Hussein Obama, regular foreign-relations slurs... is this the way to conduct a political discussion??

If I was an actual, proper, intelligent conservative commentator like, say, Peter Oborne, I would be extremely ungrateful for all of Ms Coulter's "help".

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Quote: "I asked why do you like her?"


I like her because she is one of the few who actually has the balls to speak her mind. If she's crass, then that's her nature, and I don't care. It's kinda hard to accuse someone of an off-hand remark they make live--- I mean, remember Obama making fun of special needs people on Jay Leno, and referring to the incorrect number of states?

But Coulter's articles she publishes on her site have always been spot on. I like her humour and the fact that she'll go on shows like Real Time with Bill Maher and The View where she KNOWS she'll get roasted, but she stays out on top every time (in my opinion).

Most personalities are too concerned with white-washing the facts, not talking outside of the Hollywood "norm", but last time I checked more people in the US consider themselves conservative than liberal.


Quote: "always saying Barrack Hussein Obama"


That is his name. Is that a problem for you that his middle name is Hussein? Barack's people took issue with that BEFORE the election, but AFTER the election Obama refers to HIMSELF as Barack Hussein Obama. But let's bring this away from politics.

I agree with her stances on religion, politics, abortion, gay rights, etc. etc. While I won't discuss them here, I have no issue saying I support her views.

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Is this the same lady who said

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity"

3 days after the September 11 bombing?

I believe she also said something about how it would be better if we were all Christian.
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Quote: "I believe she also said something about how it would be better if we were all Christian. "

Haha, seriously?

So the fact that she spews crap doesn't matter as at least she has the balls to say it.

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Let's play "take the quote out of context game!"

This thread has went downhill.

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