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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Pirate Bay sold to game firm

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:08
Its one way to stop copyright stealing I think this was cheaper than the court cases. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8127050.stm. If you can't sink them buy them.

Looks like the downloaders may have something to worry about now as their details will have been stored.

I'll add something later on.
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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:20 Edited at: 30th Jun 2009 22:20
I don't use TPB often since all I download is music from blogs and torrents kill my internet. I can't remember the last time I downloaded a game.
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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:35
wow, ive followed thier court cases, they where putting up a very good fight, i thought they could have won to behonest, i hoped that they could have won. Alas everynoe has thier price and 6 million was thiers...

I guess ill go down with the ship for old times sake.

I openly admit using it, thats where i find all my tuts and some favourable goddess' lol


Long live the the revolution!


From what ive read over the net, We might have to pay copyright fees on Dl's -thats just not the TPB way, the sweeds sold us out, the failed at thier cause and so , they failed us.
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I guess you can silence our freedoms...

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:46
Victory

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:51
Nothing to worry about, their is stil over nine thousand more, including warez forums.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 22:56 Edited at: 30th Jun 2009 23:03
TPB is still up, and probably never will come down. So it's not really victory, is it?

Plus, they brought out some new thing, I forget the name of it, but it is supposed to be like youtube, but uncrackable and no limitations or restrictions. I want to see how far that goes...

TheComet

EDIT : Also, I don't trust BBC or any major news companies, since the news is regulated and filtered, and they only show what suits them. They are known to make up things too, just like "TPB was jailed!". That wasn't true at all. I REALLY hate the way the news controls peoples minds. If America knew what the government were doing, there would probably be a revolution.

So I'm not going to believe a word of this and see what turns out in the REAL news. Not this bull. Believe them if you want, but you'll end up as a mindless robot being controlled by the government.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 23:12 Edited at: 30th Jun 2009 23:12
Well they've admitted it on their own site and it was first on torrent freak website so i don't think you need to be so distrustful of the BBC
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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 23:20
Quote: "Looks like the downloaders may have something to worry about now as their details will have been stored."


Or not, because there's nothing illegal about downloading a torrent file.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 23:26
Yes, you are right. But BBC was WRONG!

Here is their blog, for those that don't want to find it:

Quote: "Yes, it's true.

News reached the press today in Sweden - The Pirate Bay might get aquired by Global Gaming Factory X AB.

A lot of people are worried. We're not and you shouldn't be either!

TPB is being sold for a great bit underneath it's value if the money would be the interesting part. It's not. The interesting thing is that the right people with the right attitude and possibilities keep running the site.
As all of you know, there's not been much news on the site for the past two-three years. It's the same site essentially. On the internets, stuff dies if it doesn't evolve. We don't want that to happen.

We've been working on this project for many years. It's time to invite more people into the project, in a way that is secure and safe for everybody. We need that, or the site will die. And letting TPB die is the last thing that is allowed to happen!

If the new owners will screw around with the site, nobody will keep using it. That's the biggest insurance one can have that the site will be run in the way that we all want to. And - you can now not only share files but shares with people. Everybody can indeed be the owner of The Pirate Bay now. That's awesome and will take the heat of us.

The old crew is still around in different ways. We will also not stop being active in the politics of the internets - quite the opposite. Now we're fueling up for going into the next gear. TPB will have economical muscles to let people evolve it. It will team up with great technicians to evolve the protocols. And we, the people interested in more than just technology, will have the time to focus on that. It's win-win-win.

The profits from the sale will go into a foundation that is going to help with projects about freedom of speech, freedom of information and the openess of the nets. I hope everybody will help out in that and realize that this is the best option for all. Don't worry - be happy!"


IF you read it through carefully, they say that their site is NOT sold YET!



You will also notice that they have a contract. The company buying TPB has restrictions on what it can change on the site. If they do any weird business:

Quote: "If the new owners will screw around with the site, nobody will keep using it. That's the biggest insurance one can have that the site will be run in the way that we all want to."


So there you go. BBC lied once again, TPB crew is NOT in jail, (they even made a profit), and TPB can not be taken down.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2009 23:51
After their sentence in jail, they'll start again with other Warez sites...

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Quote: "Long live the the revolution! "


The only revolution that's going on is that companies and lawmakers are being pushed to do something drastic to prevent piracy because people refuse to stop. Trusted Computing, charges for downloads, or something similar; that's the future.

Quote: "I guess you can silence our freedoms..."

Quote: "Believe them if you want, but you'll end up as a mindless robot being controlled by the government."


Let's not pretend like we're part of some movement for freedom .

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 00:06 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 00:07
Never buying a game again
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Quote: "Yes, you are right. But BBC was WRONG!
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Oh for goodness' sake.
Is it impossible that they haven't yet updated their blog yet? It's not like the BBC are evil an Mephistophelian, they give the news as they hear it, and they have sources for everything. Lying in the news is illegal, they aren't going to lie. They could be wrong, but they won't do it on purpose.

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Why does EVERYONE WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE!? Where in the heck do you think people can make money. What if the model pack you worked hard on for 3 months was put on a site for free for millions to download would you appreciate that?

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This just in!


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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 00:22
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They do it all the time!"


This just in: No they don't. They twist the facts slightly but they never LIE.

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Imagine how inconvenient it would be to have to shop and pay for music!
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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 00:24 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 00:25
Quote: "Oh for goodness' sake.
Is it impossible that they haven't yet updated their blog yet? It's not like the BBC are evil an Mephistophelian, they give the news as they hear it, and they have sources for everything. Lying in the news is illegal, they aren't going to lie. They could be wrong, but they won't do it on purpose."


They lied. I can get some proof that on this day, 30.06.2009 at 23:22 EST, the pirate bay crew did not sell TPB yet. They are planning it, but didn't do it yet.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 00:27
Quote: "I can get some proof that on this day, 30.06.2009 at 23:22 EST, the pirate bay crew did not sell TPB yet."

Go on then.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 01:10
Quote: "Quote: "This just in!

They do it all the time!"

This just in: No they don't. They twist the facts slightly but they never LIE."


It has been known that some do, but no doubt they can afford the charges. When facts are twisted, it can be more than slightly. When my Mum and sister were at University, a journalist who used to work for the Sun spoke of his experiences there, including making up news stories if there was nothing interesting to report. The Sun is perhaps the least reliable newspaper in the country and a lot of people are aware of this and know not to trust everything they read in there, because it is uncertain as to what is actually news or is added/changed/edited to make it interesting, though I don't believe many of the readers share the same caution. Their writing is more creative than journalistic.

That is not to say 'don't trust the news', because that's just paranoid lunacy, as we do have some reputable sources, like the BBC for example - heck they were slow to jump onto Michael Jackson's death because they wanted confirmation, whilst other news sources didn't. Checking your sources first is a sign of good journalism. Though in America it seems harder to trust news from where I'm standing because of the politics heavy bias some news media has and I could bring up some sources to back claims to say that some things are made up on news discussions over there (and it's not as simple of a mistakes as getting your facts wrong, but I know what happens when naming names when it comes to American media, it descends into politics, so I'd rather not. Unless I have to back my claim, then I will.



Quote: "Why does EVERYONE WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE!? Where in the heck do you think people can make money. What if the model pack you worked hard on for 3 months was put on a site for free for millions to download would you appreciate that?"


Too right, piracy is wrong, though we've had the 'Is Pirate Bay meant for piracy?' debate before, either way, the piracy part is definitely a bad thing, and I hope Black Rebel Heart is the mood where he thinks he's being funny, is trolling or is merely demonstrating the fallacy of certain arguments with facetiousness, otherwise we can't exactly hold a good opinion of him for those views.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 01:10
Quote: "Go on then."


Alright.

Here is the first taste of some proof:



This blog was posted at 10:43 this morning. You might now say "Well, they could have sold it this afternoon"

THIS clearly states that it is scheduled to be sold to Global Gaming Factory X in August. Now we have June.

"Why believe another "illegal" torrent sharing website?"

Because I can also ask the other end. Here is a website by Global Gaming Factory X:

http://www.globalgamingfactory.com/

If you wish for more proof, just say when, and I'll bombard you with it.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 01:31 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 01:33
Quote: "They twist the facts slightly but they never LIE"


Hahahahahahaha...
Ehahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahaha..

I'm sorry, I've never read such delusion. My local hospital, Stafford General, was once reported to be so bad by all newsgroups including the BBC and Sky News that patients were drinking from vases because they couldn't get the nurses' attention and thereby drinking water. Which is utter crap because vases aren't allowed in the hospital for hygene reasons.

That's not a mistake. That's not twisting the truth. That's flat out B. S.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 01:32 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 01:34
I think you are blowing this way out of proportion for example on torrent freak it says
Quote: "The changeover of ownership is scheduled for August 2009"
which means they have basically sold it, why do you have something against the BBC anyway? It's not like they are a tabloid news paper.
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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 01:42 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 01:44
Quote: "which means they have basically sold it"


"Basically sold it". Insert Name Here only wanted me to prove that it wasn't sold yet, and that's what I did. And the word "scheduled" is not really fixed. TPB's plans could change, because it doesn't say "It WILL be sold".

Quote: "why do you have something against the BBC anyway?"


I have done a few experiments. I don't want to go deep into this, because I think that is against the forum rules, but I'll tell you the basics:

I have posted 8 posts where I say my opinion on what needs to be done to Israel to BBC for them to open on their comments page. And guess what? None of mine show up at all. Coincidence? I think not. Then, I made up some crap about how great Israel is and how they will bring peace to the world (*juck*), and both of those were posted! Coincidence? I think not! They filter posts and only let in what they like. They are controlling you. They only let out what they want you to think, like a mindless robot.

If you want to discuss things on this matter, e-mail me.

Maybe I expressed my feelings incorrectly. BBC does deliver good news when they do it correctly, but I don't rely on one source. If I am interested I look at tons of sources and decide for my self which one is correct. Here, BBC is clearly twisting a few things.

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Quote: "They twist the facts slightly but they never LIE"


lolwat?

Telling anything other than the truth is a lie. Take a fact, change it a little, and it's no longer fact, it's fabrication, even if it does, at it's root, have some merit.

Telling something like it is is hard. Everyone takes in information, passed it through their own grid of experience and bias, and then retells it. It's not easy taking yourself out of it. It's even harder when you add in bureaucracy to it. NBC in America is known for being Obama'a b!tch. I'm not getting into the debate of which news station is right or honest, I just think it's better to listen to the variety and make your own conclusion instead of having your conclusion made for you by a glowing image.

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Quote: "I just think it's better to listen to the variety and make your own conclusion instead of having your conclusion made for you by a glowing image."


Perfect! That is how you'll learn the REAL facts.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 02:09 Edited at: 1st Jul 2009 02:13
The news does in fact almost never lie. Instead it has "spins" one way or another, which is usually related to its affiliation to a particular political party, or for the sake of making a more interesting story. Like with a disease, they could easily say "FLU EPIDEMIC CONTINUES KILLING SPREE," and still be telling the truth even if only 3 people died from it. The truth is that Global Gaming Factory is in the process of buying The Pirate Bay, and that TPB has already accepted the offer of 6 million.

Quote: "And guess what? None of mine show up at all. Coincidence? I think not"


If you had the same tone on their site as you do on this forum then it's no wonder they didn't show up.

http://www.crn.com/networking/218102081;jsessionid=YI15JI0PKZ0IEQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 02:15
Quote: "If you had the same tone on their site as you do on this forum then it's no wonder they didn't show up."


An excellent point. I'll try and post the truth with a bit more love and softer words, and let you know if they took it.

There is a problem with communicating only with text. I was not at all angry or aggressive when posting my posts, it just seems like that because the voice tones and facial expressions are not there. I really need to add a few more smilies...

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 04:38
Damn it, whether TPB is under new ownership or not, where there's a will there's a way. I could argue that we have the freedom to exchange information, regardless of copyright laws. With that in mind, I happily download whatever I want. Just because companies are selling this stuff doesn't mean you can't get it for free elsewhere.

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I'm not sure why people are praising "victory" just yet, if anything it's a huge loss for copyright protection lobbyists. With a large firm with a load of cash owning TPB, it means that the site will grow even more. =\

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 11:22
Veron makes a good point...


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As ive read on the Global Gaming Factory they bought it and now they will upgrade the site so you can download stuff even faster,long live TPB.Where else im going to download some music ive payed and lost or GTA cracks just because ive borrowed cd to my friend.

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Quote: "Lying in the news is illegal, they aren't going to lie."
I wish I could believe that. Don't be so naive. I've lost count how many times I've spotted an outright lie, but it's not a lie if the TV says so apparently. People have actually argued to me about things they heard on TV, saying I'm wrong because it's not what TV said. Who am I to question the TV?

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Quote: "Too right, piracy is wrong"

What is wrong and right depends on people. In the end nothing has really meaning thus everything is right.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2009 15:49 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2009 00:07
Quote: "What is wrong and right depends on people. In the end nothing has really meaning thus everything is right."


Quote: "We are all in a big dream of a greater being. Enjoy every minute of your life, because when this being wakes up, our time is over."


Indian religion. So pirate as much as you can is the take-home message.

Just some "comet-randomness", not really an argument.

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Quote: "Quote: "Too right, piracy is wrong"
What is wrong and right depends on people. In the end nothing has really meaning thus everything is right."


There are arguments for why we've come to rely on morality. Some religious, some philosophical. some not. If you're making rules that are made to benefit society, then piracy would still be wrong. Though pirates get stuff for free and people may give a thumbs up, but if people were allowed to do it and piracy was deemed right, then where would companies get the money to keep on going and then why would people invest in the media business, when it doesn't give a return because so many are pirating. Thus we get nothing out of it in the long.

Right and wrong isn't entirely subjective, as you can throw in some logic in there too.

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I'm surprised how many of them pirating scum feels they're freedom fighters, as if they're actually believing they're some sort of modern Jack Sparrow. Wake up, people, pirates were thieving scum, rapists and murderers - anarchists gone wrong at its worst. They were not noble protectors of freedom, they weren't fighting for a bigger cause - and nor are today's pirates.

They might not necessarily be rapists and murderers anymore, though, so that's a plus.


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tha_rami: Well said. It seems like more and more pirates are using the excuse that it's somehow for freedom or it's a fundamental right. I think they want to make their lives seem more interesting.

My friend reassures me that piracy isn't that big of a problem because most people do buy their games, but I'm less optimistic.

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While I don't agree with outright pirating of someone elses hard work, I think there are reforms to be made. For example, the person who got in trouble for hosting a video on youtube of her child dancing to a Prince song...was ridiculous. It's things like that, which I don't understand. Basically, when it comes to things like music and artwork, I believe in a right to creative use. There are boundaries to this, especially in terms of impeding someone elses ability to profit from their work. But, I think that so long as the original form is not released, and profit is not made off of the derivative work, there should be a much more open use of pieces of art, whether those works are art in terms of imagery or sound.(i.e. remix artists)

I'm not sure if that came off the way I intended, but it's my 2c.


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You could always use a MIDI file...

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I'm surprised at the amount of support for piracy I see here, this being a game making forum.

So you've finished working on your awesome game after two years, and you're now starting to sell it. So I buy a copy, and then place it on every torrent site I can think of. It looks like you won't be getting much for that 2 years of work you did.

Quote: "Imagine how inconvenient it would be to have to shop and pay for music! "


Of course, why should we have to pay for something that someone else worked hard to make? It should just be freely available to everyone, and the person who made it should get nothing for their effor. But that's okay, because we only care about ourselves and getting whatever we want; we don't care about anyone who gets screwed over in the process.

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Posted: 4th Jul 2009 17:57
@ Tha_rami

Nicely said. But what should you or I do against it? You can not stop piracy, even if you were god. It's something that will always be around.


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Posted: 4th Jul 2009 18:01 Edited at: 4th Jul 2009 18:03
I suppose it depends how you look at it. If you owned that song, allowing someone who use it even for a video about their kid. Shows that they might be willing to let it slide in all sorts of other area's. It's fairly clear it doesn't take alot for someone else to take it too far.

Perhaps a more sensible option, would be to allow youtube to host the music (paid for by advertizing of course) then allow users to upload a video, have the sound track replaced or overlayed with that song directly from the service, along with all the advertizing.

That way, the fan of the song gets to use it safely with no risk of legal action, then both youtube and the record companies get to make a profit in the process.

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Quote: "Perhaps a more sensible option, would be to allow youtube to host the music (paid for by advertizing of course) then allow users to upload a video, have the sound track replaced or overlayed with that song directly from the service, along with all the advertizing."


They actually have just that, if a song that you have on your video is in violation of copyright law(it has a detection feature now), it gives you options to replace it from songs that they're allowed to have. The main problem I ran into with this, is that I used to upload videos of me riding tracks with Audiosurf...let's just say I don't really use my youtube account anymore.

And honestly, I wouldn't expect them to let it slide in other places...I'd just expect them to crack down where it matters and it's actually a threat to their profits, such as the torrents, and people who are downloading with them.


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Quote: "Its one way to stop copyright stealing"

I think you mean infringement ... but anyway, does anyone seriously believe that the court case against TPB or a buyout of TPB will actually reduce piracy?

It's just Napster in another guise. The increased publicity of these methods of getting media for 'free' will simply make it easier for more people who didn't know about it to use it.

If TPB changes it's policies regarding logging, or even shuts down completely, will simply scatter it's users to other services.

Increased monitoring of peer-to-peer traffic will drive users to different protocols and levels of encryption.

Nothing going on right now will make the average pirate change their ways.

Now for my rant
A significant part of the problem is due to increasing feelings of entitlement - and before you go off thinking that's simply something that only pirates are guilty of, think again.

How many of you own a legitimately bought CD and have ripped it to your PC, or your mobile phones, or have made a copy for playing in the car? Well, according to the majority of media companies, you are a pirate too! They want you to pay for each additional copy of everything that you currently own.

The big problem right now is that it's almost impossible to go through your day without infringing on something. Go onto Youtube? Chances are you will watch something that infringes on someones copyright. Even big companies with the money to pay for the best lawyers are tripping over copyright law - for example, see the recent case against Microsoft, Yahoo and Real Networks over the distribution of music that they thought they had already licensed. Even Obama managed to trip up over this when he gave an IPod containing 40 show tunes to Queen Elizabeth on his trip to the UK. If none of them can get it right with all of their lawyers/law-makers on hand, how do you expect to? How can you even be expected to?

It's the complexity, the creeping reduction in your and my rights and the ever increasing terms that copyright lasts for that I object to - it's the theft of things from the public domain and into copyright (let's see anyone even dare to try do anything based on Snow White or Cinderella) - it's the creep of copyright lobbying and laws that label me a criminal and a pirate for ripping music I've paid for onto my PC.

I believe that the current pervasiveness of piracy is in a very large part a reaction to that, albeit an unconscious reaction for the most part.

However, despite that rant, I am pro-copyright. I believe in a reasonable recompense for work done. I do believe that what we have right now isn't at all reasonable, and is getting worse. The current hodge-podge of treaties, laws and licensing agreements foisted on the public is simply becoming unworkable.

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the BBC and other news companies like that are zionists, nuff said.

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Personally I feel the laws do need updating as the laws are very out of date and don't reflect the new media.

However I feel the people who make our music, movies and games have a right to their money. Pirating basically does not work as it is as nothing is free in this world. Simply put if the artist can make more money working at minium wage they will move jobs. It will be a right boring world as well.

I'll add something later on.
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Posted: 5th Jul 2009 04:04 Edited at: 5th Jul 2009 04:17
I been thinking that a company that releases a game to the public are bound to get there piece of work pirated because there are always going to be people who will be some kind of smart guy and take that piece of work and have it pirated to make money or end up accidently causing a chain reaction by giving a copy to his friend and his friend goes and makes a copy and then causes a HUGE reaction!

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Posted: 5th Jul 2009 04:19
Quote: "However, despite that rant, I am pro-copyright. I believe in a reasonable recompense for work done. I do believe that what we have right now isn't at all reasonable, and is getting worse. The current hodge-podge of treaties, laws and licensing agreements foisted on the public is simply becoming unworkable."


I agree, and you basically put the point I was trying to convey earlier in better terms. I feel the same way.


www.aeriagames.com <-They have some decent ones

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