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Phaelax
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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 16:20
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I didn't see this posted yet, so I'll make the first. Google has announced Chrome OS release for mid-2010.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/08/0953238/Google-Announces-Chrome-OS-For-Release-Mid-2010?art_pos=2

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Clbembry
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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 16:24
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I wonder if games written on Chrome OS will work with windows. How cool would that be

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It's using a linux kernal, so probably not since nobody writes games with OGL anymore. And I don't see them porting DX to it.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 16:39 Edited at: 8th Jul 2009 16:47
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Quote: "so probably not since nobody writes games with OGL anymore."


OS X ports use OGL (CGL), and there have been an awful lot more ports recently, like COD4, C&C: Red alert, Sims 3 etc. - some of them even use Wine-like tech inside of them (Spore on OS X, for example). So OGL is still very far from unused.

As for the OS itself, I would imagine it's going to contain little more than just file/folder management and a large over-arching web browser - after all, Google wants a web platform, not just a bog-standard OS

Quote: "I wonder if games written on Chrome OS will work with windows. How cool would that be"


RTA:

Quote: "For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform."


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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 16:51
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That would be very cool, if it was remotely possible without emulation.

The way I see it, Chrome is really just Ubuntu in disguise - it's a GUI bolted onto Linux, not a new OS, and it's aimed at people who only really want to look at the web.

It's an OS for the facetube and youtwit generation, and will most likely exist on laptops and netbooks. Yeah, because if you have a netbook it's because you don't like Windows. Put this way, my brother bought a netbook last week with a Linux OS - which lasted all of 3 minutes before he wanted XP Pro on it. Now it has XP Pro, and some classic games like BF1942, GTA:SA, and Half Life. This is on a netbook retailing at £150 - it runs XP incredibly well, it runs older games incredibly well, it goes online (wow) and I've yet to find an application that it can't run.

So why bother with any other OS than Windows?

The only thing Linux on netbooks tells the user is that the manufacturer avoided windows due to licensing costs. It's not like anybody actually appreciates these gated environments, telling us we're too stupid to be left alone with the PC, in case something bad happens, like a virus goes on the interweb.

People have got the wrong idea about Chrome, it's Linux masquerading as your netbook friend, your babysitter. Do you really want Google knowing absolutely everything that you do?.

Microsoft, despite their faults provide a full solution, that amazingly lets us go on the web as well as running the one or two applications out there that might not be on the web. Really it's getting to the point where google need bringing down a peg or three - These systems offer nothing new or better, so let's not get too excited about being kept in the garden by your big brother. Cryptic but I know what I'm trying to say - Google probably though cloud computing would be all the rage by now, which is what this OS is designed for.


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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 16:53
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Quote: "Put this way, my brother bought a netbook last week with a Linux OS - which lasted all of 3 minutes before he wanted XP Pro on it. Now it has XP Pro, and some classic games like BF1942, GTA:SA, and Half Life"


That's exactly what happened with me. Xandros is brilliant until you try and use it.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 17:03 Edited at: 8th Jul 2009 17:09
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Quote: "The way I see it, Chrome is really just Ubuntu in disguise it's a GUI bolted onto Linux, not a new OS, and it's aimed at people who only really want to look at the web.
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Linux is just a kernel. There's nothing stopping Google from making the system act absolutely nothing like any other distro out there - because at the end of the day, the kernel is the foundation. It doesn't dictate how the OS needs to behave, it just services its requests.

The only way Chrome OS would end up as "Ubuntu in disguise" is if Google clutch on to the same UNIX methodology/philosophy that all the other distros use. But they don't have to, which is the point. They'll be "facing the grain" a bit versus what the kernel is ideally suited to (i.e. treating devices as files etc.) but it isn't impossible.

Linux is a canvas. It doesn't dictate the finished product. Case in point: OS X uses the exact same UNIX base/methodology as Linux is modeled around. And yet it's absolutely nothing like any Linux distro, because it has been built upon with completely different UIs and its own libraries and toolkits. Google could turn this into something just as big (and just as different) if they commit time to it.

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The article did say its a linux kernal with a new windowing system. If you read the comments there's been some discussion on what exactly they mean by a new windowing system. Ditching X11? Replacement for KDE/Gnome? Different theme?

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 17:43
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I just hope they incorporate some of my ideas in my thread.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 18:19
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I see what your saying David, but I'm not convinced that Google are spending money making this OS any better than other options, in fact I'd be surprised if it wasn't dumbed down beyond all hope instead of offering anything new. It's aimed at PC's that are aimed at the elderly, infirm, poor, ill-educated and very young.

Being honest though, I'll probably never look on an OS favorably, because they all have their way of making your life a misery in their own way - just seems to me that there's absolutely no need for Chrome, there's options for free or commercial OS's that are so long in the tooth, we have to wonder why they are even bothering.


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It's just another act of Google to take of the world.

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One, Google must have a pretty bad imagination if they use the name "Chrome" again, lol.

Second, I think this is good. I won´t use it, but I believe we can only benifit from more competition. To just use Windows seems a bit, in lack of better words, limiting. Not that Windows is bad, I just think more competition between OSs will make everyone try harder, meaning we costumers get better products .

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 19:48
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There milking it from a Search engine to a howl set of tools now...
Next we'll get Google-Shop(Photoshop) and Googlestrator(Illustrator) and then Google-reader(Adobe reader) THEN after that, Gwitter(Twitter) AND THEN Google-Space(my-space) AND THEN!!! Gobo(Bebo), and after that G-Tunes, and after that! Googifiy(Spotify)...

D: When will it stop?

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I think we should have 1 OS and 1 OS only. Life would be so much easier...

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I have three, Win 7, Ubuntu, and XP...

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 20:13
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Linux != Windows and it will never be.

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Google Chrome OS is aimed toward cloud computing.

Quote: "Google Chrome OS will run on both x86 as well as ARM chips and we are working with multiple OEMs to bring a number of netbooks to market next year. The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel. For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform."

Source: Official Google Blog

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 21:04
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Quote: "Google must have a pretty bad imagination if they use the name "Chrome" again, lol"


And Microsoft have progressed from Windows to Windows to...Windows

My take on this is that Google are going for the thin client approach that the world was talking about in the nineties and never really materialised. It's back with a different name and different buzz-words to describe the same, updated concept. Microsoft hyped the online office years ago, downloading the functionality you needed on demand, and it never happened.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 21:07 Edited at: 8th Jul 2009 21:11
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So....now when I say I use Google Chrome, I have to explain it's the web browser, not the OS? (Of course, I'd use Firefox if it ran a bit smoother - as soon as it does I'm jumping back to it)

I find the concept interesting but not spectacular or terribly useful to me. I've joked that Google should make an OS for some time but I guess I was expecting something a little more...spectacular.


EDIT: Downloaded Firefox 3.5, looks like it's time to switch back

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 22:58
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Quote: "we have to wonder why they are even bothering."


Name recognition, probably. Most consumers have never heard of Ubuntu but they know Google. Netbook companies will jump on the bandwagon if they can have their netbooks preloaded with Google OS, and it's just another way to get people into the world of Google.

Quote: "There milking it from a Search engine to a howl set of tools now...
Next we'll get Google-Shop(Photoshop) and Googlestrator(Illustrator) and then Google-reader(Adobe reader) THEN after that, Gwitter(Twitter) AND THEN Google-Space(my-space) AND THEN!!! Gobo(Bebo), and after that G-Tunes, and after that! Googifiy(Spotify)...

D: When will it stop?"


Why does it bother you so much? A company that does well (gasp!) will create free products that compete with commercial products (double gasp!). Isn't that a good thing? I for one welcome any and ALL free products, because then the consumers can choose to save money.

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Quote: "I for one welcome any and ALL free products, because then the consumers can choose to save money."


Same here. For some reason, most people seem to think that thriving companies are evil.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2009 23:33
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To paraphrase from an article I read earlier this week:

There's many examples of a company creating a great service only to have someone come along and do it better or offer new features that just swipes away the competitor's user base. Myspace/facebook, yahoo/google, etc... Most companies will reinvent that one product, grab a lot of capital, but then lose it to another over time. What google continues to do is find a new market and attack it. It keeps investors interested and their name in the news.

Had google stopped at just a search engine, we wouldn't have many of the products available today such as Gmail(that many of you use) or Chrome(personal favorite), maps, street view, tons of others. If you don't expand, you will shrink. Very few companies these days can afford to stay stagnant.

I think Batvink is right, it sounds like they may be going for a sort of thin client.

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I don't understand why anyone would be against Google. They give almost everything out for free and are a great company that makes quality and user-friendly products. It seems some people just like to come up with things to argue about or dislike.


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They're just mad they don't work at Googleplex.

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Quote: "Netbook companies will jump on the bandwagon if they can have their netbooks preloaded with Google OS"

And they already are. which is the exciting part And I couldn't agree with you more. I was just talking to my friend a few months ago that if Linux wants a chance to have a REAL market share, they need a company like Google to use the Linux kernel and make the rest of the OS from the ground up. Drop KDE/Gnome, and make their own. A name like Google has a lot of sway with people. It's a name they know and trust. Most people wouldn't trust a name like "Mozilla" or "Ubuntu" any more than you and I trust a name like "Internet Explorer"

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Google have done very well , they're an ethical business who are very successful and are striving out to making many free web-based products for all to enjoy and to make things more convenient for people, whilst competing against commercial products, which could save consumers money on products they're not willing to spend money on.

Google have progressed quickly and market really well, but they've far from monopolized the market. Whilst they are very popular, It's not as if Yahoo or other rivals are out of the picture. Chrome OS might be a Linux competitor, but if it makes things simpler for those who are more computer illiterate, then that's a good thing, right? I've known technophobes, and I can't see them knowing the first thing about using a Linux distro. But if Google are using a Linux kernal, their competition might be contribute to the Linux community.

Now is that a bad thing?

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Quote: "But if Google are using a Linux kernal, their competition might be contribute to the Linux community."


Google is one of the top donators for Linux foundation and Mozilla project.

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