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puppyofkosh
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 16:45
Hi.

Recently whenever I turn my computer on I get this high pitched tone that comes from my power supply(I think). The weird thing is, when I run some programs, it stops(Counter strike, some Opengl stuff I wrote, mostly 3d programs). So to keep it from making the noise I just run this 3d program I wrote in the background and it stops. As soon as I quit out of it the noise starts again though.

I checked the fans by stopping them with a pen, and they aren't generating the noise. Could something be drawing too much power from the PSU?

Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 18:01
Something could be drawing too little power. I made a 10'000 Volt power supply for my Tesla coil out of Microwave oven transformers, and whenever I draw nothing from them I get a tone from them, but if I hook up something that draws a lot of current, like a Jacob's Ladder, the tone goes away.

This is the same case with your computer. If you run a program that uses a lot of processing power, the processor will draw a lot of current.

A transformer is basically made up of two coils of wire around a metal cylinder or ring. You have a primary winding, and a secondary winding. When you put AC (Alternating Current) power on the primary winding, the electricity will build up a magnetic field around the metal cylinder (this is how an electromagnet works). Then, when the polarity of the AC current flips, the magnetic field will break down, forcing the field into the secondary winding and therefore converting the magnetic field back to electricity.

The conversion is proportional, so if I had 100 windings on the primary winding, and 300 windings on the secondary, and put 2V AC on the primary, I would get 6V AC out of the secondary. Of course, a transformer is only 80% efficient, so again 6V / 100 * 80 = 4.8V AC.

What is causing the high pitch is that when you don't draw on the secondary winding, like when your computer is not doing a lot, the magnetic field has nowhere to break down to. So the field will vibrate any metallic objects in it's reach at 50Hz, causing a high pitch sound. When you draw on the secondary winding, like when you run a 3D program that takes a lot of processing, there will not be a lot of magnetic energy left to vibrate any metal, because it is all being used for the processor.

I do not know what started to cause this, and I don't know how to fix it, but you could try tightening a few bolts and screws in your computer to see if that makes any difference.


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puppyofkosh
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 22:09
Thanks.

I did tighten a few screws (especially the screws holding together the power supply, but I still get the same tone. Could something inside the power supply be loose?
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 22:34
50hz is a very low pitched sound. My guess is that maybe one of the fans is scraping against something. If you have one of those aerosol cans, maybe try blowing it in there, those things can get pretty dusty and that can cause problems.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 23:13
puppy of kosh

I get this a lot with my new PC - in my case it's caused by the graphics card running at its maximum speed. For example, if I run a DBPro program with "sync rate 0" then I get the whine whenever the FPS exceeds something like 1000. If I cap the fps to something sensible like 60 then the whine disappears.

What graphics card do you have?
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 23:25
Quote: "I get this a lot with my new PC - in my case it's caused by the graphics card running at its maximum speed. For example, if I run a DBPro program with "sync rate 0" then I get the whine whenever the FPS exceeds something like 1000. If I cap the fps to something sensible like 60 then the whine disappears."

I've had something similar, although it was with my CPU. When running any application that uses full CPU (such as DBPro ) the fan would spin very fast and was pretty loud. I used to use Kernel32's Sleep function in my applications whenever I wrote anything in DBPro, although eventually I cleaned out my PC and realised the heat sink was all caked up, so that was the cause of the fan having to spin so fast.
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Posted: 8th Aug 2009 23:43
A PC power supply will be a Switched-mode power supply so there won't be 50Hz ac going into the transformers.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 03:49
[/quote]50hz is a very low pitched sound. My guess is that maybe one of the fans is scraping against something. If you have one of those aerosol cans, maybe try blowing it in there, those things can get pretty dusty and that can cause problems.
Quote: "

I'll check that but I doubt it is that, the tone is about 2 octaves higher than the fan.


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I get this a lot with my new PC - in my case it's caused by the graphics card running at its maximum speed. For example, if I run a DBPro program with "sync rate 0" then I get the whine whenever the FPS exceeds something like 1000. If I cap the fps to something sensible like 60 then the whine disappears.

What graphics card do you have? [quote]

I have an ATI 4870. The thing is, whenever I get the tone, its when I dont have a CPU/graphics intensive program running.


I think I might try disconnecting the graphics card and turning the computer on...if I don't get the tone I guess I can assume something is drawing too much power.

Just in case, here are my specs.

Core 17 920
6gb of ram
ATI 4870
650 watt power supply

Thanks guys.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 04:42
Wow... something to pay attention to if my power fan does that. Last time it made a noise it wasn't any kind of whining. Rather it sounded like there was something in it, and that THAT something was being sliced apart...

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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 17:41
I looked on the corsair forums and found this

So I'm gonna try that.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 18:18
A lot of whine is caused by the coils on motherboards used to create a stable EM field; sometimes they vibrate at a high frequency and squeal. A bit of epoxy fixes it.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2009 22:43
If your power supply really squeaks at 50hz,watch out for the "brown tone" myth,you can poop yourself lol and yes I had an overdose of Mythbusters.Well when my computer squeaks I kick it a few times gently and suprisingly it stops or my graphics card falls out like it did last time.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 01:39
A "whine" is definitely not a 50Hz hum.

Why are so many of you talking about mains hum when puppy of kosh was plainly talking about "this high pitched tone" in his first post?
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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 01:49
Noise is subjective Green Gandalf, as for the nosie, my fans rattle slightly on the case, causing it to sqeaul while booting up. it corrects itself after its at full speed.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 02:10
I got it! I did exactly what it said in that link(I had to disable two power saving things in the BIOS) and I am no longer getting it.

If anyone has this problem, read this.


Thanks for the help guys!
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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 13:56 Edited at: 10th Aug 2009 14:08
Quote: "Noise is subjective Green Gandalf,"


True - but there are limits.

Quote: "my fans rattle slightly on the case, causing it to sqeaul while booting up. it corrects itself after its at full speed."


Mine does the same - without the squeal fortunately (and a squeal is usually moderately high-pitched ).

Quote: "I got it! I did exactly what it said in that link(I had to disable two power saving things in the BIOS) and I am no longer getting it."


Sounds like I ought to look at that as well.

Edit Just looked, but how do you do this?

Quote: "C1E and EIST (Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology) to disable in the MB BIOS."



Edit2 Is this where I start? Sounds like I could really foul things up.

Quote: "As you may be aware, you can change the BIOS settings through an interface generally reached by pressing the DEL key on your keyboard immediately as your system begins to boot."


I wasn't aware of course.
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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 17:55 Edited at: 10th Aug 2009 18:11
Do disable C1E and EIST, go into the BIOS, I had to press the delete key on bootup to get there (It said something like "DEL for BIOS").

After that, I navigated to Motherboard Intelligent Tweaker and then from there to advanced CPU features. I'm not sure if yours is the same/similar to mine, but if you find that both C1E and EIST should be there. You just have to navigate to each one, set them to disable and save and exit.

EDIT: And about the 50 hertz things...50 hertz is in no way high pitched. I think the average human can hear down to about 16 hertz...

Here is what 50 hertz does sound like though(attached).

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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 10th Aug 2009 22:56
Switched mode power supplies, especially cheap ones, make that noise when they are unloaded or have too little of a load on them. That's why you can disable the power saving and it fixes it. You could also buy a better quality or lower wattage power supply.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2009 02:47
I had the same thing with my 8800GT graphics card, when having over 2000 fps in a game it would make noises. Was kinda cool actually, you could make a song with it



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Quote: "I checked the fans by stopping them with a pen, and they aren't generating the noise. Could something be drawing too much power from the PSU?"

I'd be careful sticking things into your power supply.

It does sound like it's unused current like others have said. My phone charger whines when it's finished charging and then when I turn it off it goes "Eeeeeeeeoooooooowwww". I think it has delusions of being an aeroplane...

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