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Geek Culture / DirectX... 11?

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jeffhuys
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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:06 Edited at: 17th Aug 2009 20:06
Hi, today I was browsing through my DXDiag, and I saw this:




Err... Since when did Windows 7 ship with DX11? Or is this DX10.1 or something?

Thanks

Jeff

EDIT: Whoops, meant to be in Geek Culture...

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thenerd
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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:11
jeffhuys
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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:13
Well, alright! That's cool!
Thank you

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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:25
Windows 7's got a built in DirectX ver? Talk about compatiblity issues down the line for us DBC Develepers(guess i will have to switch totally to Pro,eh?)

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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:30
If you haven't already switched to Pro, then I'm afraid you + new computer = fail.


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DirectX 11 is really exciting. It does some pretty awesome stuff. Of course, it's not really being utilized yet because the new DX11 video cards aren't out until October(?). Something like that. Vista users will get the DX11 update, but not XP. It's not a whole new architecture like 10 was either, so don't worry about that. DX11 is two pronged. If you don't have the newer tech to fully utilize it, you'll still be fine. But if you DO have the newer video cards that support it, you'll be using it to the full extent.

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Dark Dragon
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Posted: 17th Aug 2009 20:51
Quote: "If you haven't already switched to Pro, then I'm afraid you + new computer = fail. "


yes. thats why i still have a comp with 95 on it, and one with 98. I switch them in and out and keep them well polished.


Quote: "It's not a whole new architecture like 10 was either, so don't worry about that. DX11 is two pronged."


*Sigh* What a Relif *sacrcasm*, Nah, its hard to play around with DBC on 10 even, Cuz there's alot of crap that wont..........work right for some strange reason.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 01:01
Quote: "*Sigh* What a Relif *sacrcasm*, Nah, its hard to play around with DBC on 10 even, Cuz there's alot of crap that wont..........work right for some strange reason."


Vista/7 still have DX9, you know.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 01:30
DX11 is compatible with non-DX11 cards, but your performance would probably go to pits on some of the DX11 features, I loaded up a few of the DX11 samples with DirectX SDK and they ran horribly, the Adaptive Tesslation example runs at 0.16 fps, so I guess testing these with a DX11 card would be much better.

AMD has already developed a DX11 card, so it might be a worth start in investing in those cards for new builds...it's possible that it'll take off better than DX10 (which just seemed to take off bad)

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 01:50 Edited at: 18th Aug 2009 01:54
Yup, it 'goes to pits' and you don't have full access to all the new amazing features. I'll have to look into the AMD card.

EDIT: Doesn't look like any of the new cards are on newegg yet

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 02:02
I don't know if they're on sale yet. I kind of hope DX11 kicks off better than 10, I just to upgrade at a good time for DX 10 - a mid-range DX10 and Vista 'perfect' and anything DX10 ran well, better than DX9 I think, but then MS shot themselves in the foot by ignoring XP.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 17:00
Great, and I just got a new computer.
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Quote: "but then MS shot themselves in the foot by ignoring XP"


I don't think they shot themselves in the foot in the way you think. Changing the API and requiring Vista for DX10 was a necessary change. The API needed to be reworked and have the old tech left behind to make way for the new. I think were they shot themselves in the foot was with the crappy release of Vista. Vista wasn't well received, and many people didn't switch, consumers and developers alike. DX10 has become a transitional version more than anything. DX11 makes up for a TON of stuff, and even on DX10 cards you'll see a good improvement in performance.

This article tells you everything and more, I recommend this read to everyone: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3507

Quote: "Great, and I just got a new computer. "


DX11 cards will take another 5 months after release (MINIMUM) to get up to snuff. Even then, that's best case scenario. In all actuality, I'm guessing closer to 9 months until we see it as the new standard. 9 months from now, your new computer will be aged anyway

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 23:15 Edited at: 18th Aug 2009 23:20
The vast majority of people upgrade OS when they buy a new computer. This means the adoption rate of a new OS is largely determined by the rate these people buy new computers.

The big PC suppliers like Dell operate on razor thin margins so in order to make money they need high sales volumes. If people where not buying computers because of vista there would be a big problem. Dell and co would have to get people buying somehow, raise prices or lose lots of money.

Dx11 is going to suffer from this exact same problem. It's just being released later so more people will have replaced their ageing xp computers with new machines. The problem is still going to be their. The percentage of users with winxp is just going to be smaller.

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The steam stats show 55% of users have winxp. What would it be if vista had a really good reception? 45%? 35%? 25%? Still high enough to be causing problems. Nobody excludes 1 in 4 of their potential customers without very good reason.

MS haven't shot themselves in the foot, they shot everybody else in the foot. Microsoft have very little competition. What are game devs going to do? Start writing for mac or linux?

I guess dbpro is a good example. Why would TGC invest money porting dbpro to DX10 when so much of the potential market would be unable to use it?

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 23:46
Quote: "The vast majority of people upgrade OS when they buy a new computer. This means the adoption rate of a new OS is largely determined by the rate these people buy new computers."


Well, thats unless ur like my dad, who buys a new comp then immedatly downgrades.....

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Posted: 19th Aug 2009 00:20
Quote: "Well, thats unless ur like my dad, who buys a new comp then immedatly downgrades....."


Dad's are like that.

@the_winch

So, are you saying that DX 11 will be more successful than DX 10 (which I think it will be), or not? I didn't quite catch what your conclusion is.

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