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As the title suggests, I have run into a rather interesting discovery. Now, before I start, Im not trying to say that this is fact and that this will happen on everyones system, but I just thought Id mention it so I can get some feedback on the subject. I would also be interested in knowing your benchmark scores as a compaprison.

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AMD 5200+ 2.66Ghz Dual core
4GB GEIL Black Dragon (Ultra low latency) DDR2 Ram
1GB ATI Radeon HD4870
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Crysis: All settings at Very High with 16xAF and 4xAA
(Images scaled down to 512X512)

Average FPS:44.59
Max FPS: 70.34
Min FPS: 30.47

Far Cry 2:@ Ultra High with 16xAF and 8xAA (shadows on very high)


Average FPS:46.11
Max FPS:60.00
Min FPS:30.21
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All games where run at my monitors native resolution of 1024 X 768, running with the latest Catalyst drivers (9.8).
Now, in theory from looking at the benchmarks, you can say that FC2 isnt as demanding as Crysis,but considering I have heard many reports of FC2 being far less demanding than Crysis, and that Crysis is a beast to run smoothly, I feel I should be getting better performance out of Far Cry 2 and Crysis....What do you think?

I would be greatful if you could share any benchmarks/opinions you have on this matter, due to I feel that my hardware can do so much more, but just isnt acheiving it.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 19:07
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I have Far Cry2 but not Crysis. I would give you my specs for FC2 but I uninstalled it a while ago due to the fact it kept killing my pc.

Im gonna have to get Crysis now just for the gfx =)

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You should try FarCry2 again with 4xAA and shadows the same as you used in Crysis - just to be fair, AA always eats at the frame rate on my PC, so I usually don't use it.

One telling fact is that FarCry2 made it onto consoles, and it plays great on the 360. Crysis runs like treacle on my PC, I reckon that it would run FarCry2 nicely though.


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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 19:29 Edited at: 18th Aug 2009 19:30
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@Van B: Strangely enough, I get no performance increase when not using AA in FC2, which could indicate a CPU bottleneck at this low resolution, although after reading several forum posts on various forums, from people who use 3Ghz Quad core processors, they also seem to suffer choppyness in FC2, although they tend to game at higher resolutions.

But I think the answer Im trying to find is, are those Framerates acceptable for Crysis and FC2 at that detail level, considering that Dead Space runs at an average of 114fps with 16xAF and AA.

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On my Core2Duo 1.6Ghz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 8600GT (overclocked), Far Cry 2 runs great (and looks great) with most settings to High/Very High, while Crysis can't keep a consistent 30FPS with all settings on Medium (shaders High). I don't know the exact FPS for Far Cry 2, however, as I never tested it and don't have it installed.

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Can't wait to get my 9500GT so I can play all these pretty games too!

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Posted: 18th Aug 2009 20:04 Edited at: 18th Aug 2009 20:05
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Quote: "Can't wait to get my 9500GT so I can play all these pretty games too!"

Well I don't know much about putting computers together but why would you pick that card over this one:
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=GC-XN95GT10
cost the same but has double the memory.

EDIT: Nevermind I just looked at some of the specs and it's worse in multiple areas.

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Quote: "GeForce 8600GT (overclocked), Far Cry 2 runs great (and looks great)"

My point exactly, so why am I struggling to achive a constant 50-60fps with my hardware...

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Quote: "EDIT: Nevermind I just looked at some of the specs and it's worse in multiple areas."


Not to mention I need D-Sub and HDMI.

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I decided to re-install Far Cry 2. I tested it out with these settings:

Resolution: 1440x900 0xAA 0xAF
General Performance: All Very High
Advanced: All High except Textures (Med) and Geometry (Med).

Average FPS:24.133
Max FPS: 28
Min FPS: 20

Core2Duo 1.6Ghz, 2GB RAM, GeForce 8600GT (overclocked)

I don't know if that helps.

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Well wouldn't that make sense as FarCry 2 is a newer game than Crysis?


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Uh, no, it apparently isn't. You're using 8xAA vs 4xAA on Crysis and getting a better framerate average.

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I say the results make sense. For double the AA, that's pretty good.

I do have to ask, though: why such a small monitor resolution with that rig?

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WOW, ive never even heard of a PC game more system testing than Crysis, Crysis used to be the game video card companies used to brag about their cards

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Quote: "Well wouldn't that make sense as FarCry 2 is a newer game than Crysis?"

I hope you take no offense to this, but thats a pretty ditzy statement.

Just because a game is "new", doesn't make it automatically hard-ware demanding, even if it was on a different engine(In this case it is), it still doesn't make it more demanding. And as we all know, things such as background applications make difference to the FPS too, lol.


Also Farcry2 has much more to render in the forms of distance between the player's camera and the end of continent, could be your reason.. Also both games are worked differently, have different amount of work put into optimization, to be honest, I wouldn't expect it to play at a lower FPS.. Infact I would'nt be suprised if CS1.6 ran at a lower FPS than CS:S(Although the default 1.6 is capped at 60fps but can be boosted by some extra DLL managing in the core files, which is not illegal by VAC -- apparently).

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Quote: "I hope you take no offense to this, but thats a pretty ditzy statement."
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None taken, and obviously you can't compare a new Wii game to a 2-year old 360 game. But you CAN compare a game made 1 year later with the same engine that has been enhanced! If FarCry 2 doesn't use the CryTech then I guess it's a ditzy statement (and that is kind of weird if you ask me--- FarCry 2 not even using the engine named after it)

But if you compare any game that uses an older engine with improvements, it without fail will generally use more hardware and thus be slower.


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Doesnt Far Cry 2 use the Dunia engine?

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Quote: "Doesnt Far Cry 2 use the Dunia engine?"

Indeed it does.

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Quote: "and that is kind of weird if you ask me--- FarCry 2 not even using the engine named after it"


Yeah. Far Cry was bought out by another company, I believe. It's Dunia, not Crytek.

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Well I still stand by my statement FarCry 2 was a taxing game and looks just as good as Crysis, *and* it's a newer game. Logically it should tax your hardware more than the older title in that situation. Honestly I have heard people who are still using HL2 as a rig test so I wouldn't put it past people to use the Crysis engine as a benchmark for another 2 or 3 years.


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