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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 4th Dec 2009 03:28
i dont know its a long thread! i guess if it keeps going it doesnt lock.
By the way David R, its my thread, if i wanna bump it and darn it i'll bump it!

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Posted: 4th Dec 2009 08:26
It takes a month of no-posts for a thread to auto-lock if I recall.

But if people are just bumping, and posting about said bumps - then we'd probably lock it, put it out of it's misery so to speak.

Personally, I think it's better to have threads like this stay active longer. The longer this thread keeps going, the longer it'll be before someone makes a new one


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Haha 16 minutes from auto-lock. Well played, young man...

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Quote: "It takes a month of no-posts for a thread to auto-lock if I recall."


It should of locked nearly 2 months ago then. 29th August to 29th November... ya know.

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Posted: 5th Dec 2009 22:59
Oh yeah, there are months between August and November. Forgot about that.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2009 01:54 Edited at: 6th Dec 2009 02:18
LOL!

Yeah, sorry, that made me laugh

What is with the autolocking thing?
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i dont know, sometimes i wish they wouldnt because i would look at a thread and i knew the answer but so one else who had answered did but i would go to answer but it would be locked

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It's to stop old threads from being brought back when to be honest there's generally no need. If it's a question someone asked 8 months ago which you know the answer to, then to be honest no-one really cares. It's unlikely they've spent the intervening 8 months staring at the screen just wishing that someone would come along and save them. They've either:
1) Found a solution
2) Found a workaround
3) Given up and started a new project
4) Given up and got a life in the real world, never to look back
5) Got so frustrated that they took a bath with a toaster
In none of these situations is an answer really that vital. And if it does come up in casual conversation, well then you can swoop in, looking all heroic and batman styley, and save the day. Maybe people will even remember that there was an old post which no-one could answer back in the olden days, but then suddenly out of the mist emerged this heroic figure, seemingly possessing all worldly knowledge...

But seriously, if there is a current problem/conversation then it should be open. Old threads which have been left to die should stay dead. Bringing things back to life never ends well.

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I have no issues with resurrecting old threads if it's on topic. If it's just a bump to say "KEWL" or something similar, then it would be objectionable.


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Posted: 6th Dec 2009 03:40
KEWL!


Maybe it's too early for a bump...in that case I'll play the waiting game.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2009 02:59
you just want to lock it dont you! (by the way- it was waaaay too early for a lock you posted 7 mins after jeku)

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Posted: 7th Dec 2009 04:59
He was making humour.

Also - Jeku has a new picture!

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And it looks as though he's put on weight.



(Yes, I was making a joke)

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It's Ricky from Trailer Park Boys


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Who?



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You asked? You will receive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR3QHoqfhX8

Warning: The video has coarse language yadda yadda

It's only the best character from the best Canadian TV show since Degrassi


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Posted: 10th Dec 2009 04:44
this has been a wierd thread. it went from presenting the PS3 Slim
to PS3 Discussion to PS3 Vs Xbox 360 to just general chat...

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Quote: "That 7 core CPU inside your PS3 isn't going to make any difference whatsoever to detail if you can't load all the models/textures you need into the scene to make it look good..."


It's also a fun fact that the PS3 has 8 SPUs and not just 7 -- one is switched off and was originally delivered to make sure that all PS3s had 7 functional SPUs... Goes to show what IBM and Sony REALLY thought of their new tech.

BUT -- and this is a huge but -- the PS3s SPUs, no matter how fast they are, have to communicate through a PPE that is much slower.

Add this to what's quoted about Cell processors from WikiPedia:

"The PPE will work with conventional operating systems due to its similarity to other 64-bit PowerPC processors, while the SPEs are designed for vectorized floating point code execution."

The PS3 isn't really built for current game technology. Maybe it's From The Future, or it's the professional reason that Ken Kutaragi is no longer PlayStation's chief engineer.

Most modern games rely on GPU processing. Shaders, texture compression, etc. Floating point calculations are very much exactly what you DON'T want on your processors, because it's almost never needed. And it's really the only thing the PS3 is good at. Which, consequentially, means that it's not good for rendering modern games. Its architecture is too far away from the architecture that games have come to rely on. The PS3 has more in common with a parallel supercomputer than a game rig. And no, this is not a good thing.

The 360 however, based on the technology workflow devised by John Carmack and others, is entirely focused on how games are made these days and how the workflow can be threaded and more effective depending on how you choose to adopt it.

Some companies use the SPUs for GPU operations, but since the main rendering cycle has to wait for everything to funnel back through the PPE and THEN get transfered to the GPU, render-times are increased by several cycles.

And well... That's about as far as the tech knowledge I have goes.
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and now back to PS3 Vs Xbox 360!

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 00:35
Why do people argue?
Xbox 360 = Better exclusives, tiny bit worse graphics, worse reliability, paid for online but better, and can cost less.

PS3 = Little bit better graphics, much more reliable, free online, little bit more costly(depending on the xbox 360 system), and blu-ray player.

I think that just about sums up every argument that people make against ps3 and xbox...

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 00:36 Edited at: 11th Dec 2009 00:38
Quote: "Little bit better graphics"


Not on multiplatform games according to this independant tester.

Though if you want something to crunch numbers... that's fun right?

Inclusion of internal PSU is good. Very good indeed. I HATE power bricks. Nice move Sony.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 00:39
Well I'm just saying that ps3 tends to focus more on the HD then xbox does (At least I think so anyway)

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Quote: "Why do people argue? "


Because they're idiots. Or at least those who tend to be fanboys and turn around and say, "The PS3 sux" or "The 360 sux".

Lets be frank, neither suck, they're pretty awesome consoles. It's just each have an advantage over the other. It's a question of what you'd prefer to sacrifice when choosing which console to play.

I am a 360 user and I'm not going to sugar coat the risk I have of owning one - it could RROD on me, and I don't mind too much if it did - MS will replace it or fix it, so it's not the end of the world, I'd just need to post it off and have some patience.


My parents own a PS3...there are fewer games I'm interested in and I don't get the features I want from XBLGold and I wouldn't get the advantage of XBLA.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 03:01
Quote: "paid for online but better"


Out of curiosity, why is 360 online better?

I don't own either so excuse my lack of knowledge on the topic.
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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 03:40
Features, you can connect to Sky TV, Last.fm, Facebook, Zune, Rent films and well, I don't know all of the features, but there's a few of them.

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I'm considering buying a 360 in the next year or so (when I can actually afford it ) in order to start developing in XNA Game Studio...hopefully by then I'll understand C# enough.

I mean, I could always develop in XNA regardless, I just want to see what it's like developing for a real console and not just a PC. I have an idea for a game that would probably actually work well on the XBox 360, so yeah.

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Quote: "Features, you can connect to Sky TV, Last.fm, Facebook, Zune, Rent films and well, I don't know all of the features, but there's a few of them."

Netflix, Facebook and Twitter are all on the PS3. I've got both systems, and have played online on both, and I have to honestly admit that my PS3 experience was better than my 360 experience. Using the same network, and the same connections, I experienced lag in every game that I played on the 360, whereas I experienced hardly any lag in the PS3 counterparts. (Yes, I do have some of the same games for both consoles...)

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 12:41 Edited at: 11th Dec 2009 12:47
Quote: "Why do people argue?"


I actually find it very interesting that the infamous "360 vs PS3" disputes are still such a hot topic around here. What exactly is the point in posting the same old facts and statistics that everyone's already preached a thousand times over and over and over again in every single thread that mentions one of these consoles? Nobody's going to get a diehard PS3 fan to admit the Xbox is better. And no one is going to get a diehard Xbox 360 fan to admit the PS3 is better. No matter how many times failure rates, exclusive titles, and etc are brought up.

It seems that no one can mention anything about either system anymore without turning the thread into another archive of repeated statistics and opinions.

Though I do have a productive suggestion outside of my ranting. If the PS3 fans go to a PS3 forum, and the Xbox fans go to an Xbox forum, they can all share their views on their favorite consoles there, tell everyone else why their system is better, and chances are, everyone else on that forum will agree with them.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 12:46
I thought 360 had better graphics?
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It depends on the game. The PS3's exclusive games tend to look great, lots of special effects and custom rendering. But the multi-platform games, it seems that the 360 inches ahead.

What I don't understand is why people bother complaining about these threads turning into VS threads. There's no other fate for a thread called PS3 Slim!!! - talking about the new PS3. Nobody is surprised by this, at least nobody who's owned another console in their lives.

That is how it is, and pointing it out won't make it go away. People will always defend their console, they paid good money for it, support it, have faith in it. They are entitled, as customers to defend their purchase against puerile critique. It's been like this since there was a choice, and I doubt it'll all fade away - it hasn't faded in 30 years so it won't fade now.

Embrace it, regurgitate your opinion, and jump on any opinions that disagree with yours. It's our given right as 'punters' at the end of the day. As long as you have one of the systems you should just be glad, because there is really not a lot of difference between them, they have their pro's and con's - it's really as straightforward as...

Do you like Halo, or do you like Killzone2?
Do you like Gran Tourismo, or do you like Forza3?
Do you like Dead Rising, or do you like Uncharted2?

That is as many relevant questions as you need to ask yourself when deciding, the rest is all just school-yard bickering.


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I have both, but for the most part -- except for playing the relevant PS3 exclusives -- I only use the 360. And that's more or less just because I've had it longer and happen to prefer the controller and Xbox Live.

My last post was more related to the development side, actually. Stating which one is better is too much of a value statement. The only thing I wanted to point out is that the PS3 isn't built around game rendering pipelines, but rather constructed around the same architecture principles as a mix between a PS2 and a supercomputer.

Sony have always been notoriously bad at supporting developers and the way developers work. It's also why only exclusives -- which have dedicated Sony programmers in their teams -- have any graphics advantage to speak of, next to the 360. And then it's usually at the cost of something else.

Which console people prefers to PLAY on is not the same as which console developers prefer to develop for. And no developer I know prefers the PS3.
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EDIT: Double Post

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Posted: 11th Dec 2009 17:03 Edited at: 11th Dec 2009 17:08
Quote: "What I don't understand is why people bother complaining about these threads turning into VS threads. "


I think they're also just sharing their own regurgitated opinions like everyone else, absent of failure rates, and omgz exclusive titles!!!one!oneeleven!!!! Some people could care less after that 30 year period.


Like I said before, I just find this:

Thread Title: "Modern Warefare 2 available Today!"
Closing Topic: Xbox 360 Rulezz!!!

Thread Title: "New PS3 Slim!"
Closing Topic: Xbox 360 Rulezz!!!

Thread Title: "I need Help with My Algebra Homework!"
Closing Topic: Xbox 360 Rulezz!!!

Thread Title: "I broke up with my GF and REALLY need advice!"
Closing Topic: Xbox 360 Rulezz!!!

...very amusing. I'm not complaining, and I don't expect it to change, I just get a kick out of the whole thing. Your opinion is wrong! My opinion is right!

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Quote: "Embrace it, regurgitate your opinion, and jump on any opinions that disagree with yours. It's our given right"

Did anyone else have a brief vision of Van B Howard Beale-ing it up there for a second? Standing behind a news desk with raised fists proclaiming the right of the individual?

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Depends on the developers really, but most of the time, yes, for the simple fact, its a lot easier to code games for the 360 than it is on PS3 at the moment, so its harder to squeeze all the graphical processing power out of the PS3.

That is as many relevant questions as you need to ask yourself when deciding, the rest is all just school-yard bickering.

Quote: "That is as many relevant questions as you need to ask yourself when deciding, the rest is all just school-yard bickering."


You missed a few:

1080p Blue Ray or 1080p HD movie downloads?
Better supported, subscription based online gaming or poorly supported, free to play based online gaming?


Quote: "Xbox 360 = Better exclusives, tiny bit worse graphics, worse reliability, paid for online but better, and can cost less."


360 reliability is a whole heap better since they updated the GPU design, not to mention how much quieter it is with the new cooling system they added.

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Quote: "360 reliability is a whole heap better since they updated the GPU design"




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How...

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@Kravenwolf - So... is it broken?

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@Kravenwolf - Yeah, like a 360 would really hit itself with a sledgehammer.

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Yeah, looks more like somebody has hit that, rather than it esploded. If it was self-harm, then I'm sure we'd see black marks. Unless Kravenwolf was implying that the GPU was so devistated that it was in an XBox 360 that it had to break its way out forcefully...if this is indeed the case, then that's a pretty amazing feat. after all, it's not everyday that you hear of a sentient GPU. Maybe the person had Splosion Man downloaded and the GPU got ideas...except without the esplosions of course.

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Quote: "after all, it's not everyday that you hear of a sentient GPU."


Check Nvidia's website. The latest models come with sentience and more RAM(obviously you have to pay more though) but the disadvantage is that when they're overclocked they'll get upset and try to escape.
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i dont really care if the PS3 has worse internet play, i just wanna play games on the internet and if i wanna download a movie or somthing i can just transfer it to my PS3 using my PC or just play it through the DVD or CD, although i hope the connection quality is better than the PSP because my connection quality on my PSP sucks, im always disconnecting every 2 hours or so.
EDIT: But on the subject... That Xbox looked like either a terrorist got ahold of it and placed a bomb in secretly while it was being packaged or someone smashed it with a hammer.
Or reagan got angry

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Haha yeah.
Most likely it was Reagan.

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hey i just read the PS3 got netflix!

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hey i just got my PS3 slim and i dont know what people are talking about fallout 3 having no antialiasing on PS3 because it seems to have plenty on mine.

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Hope this helps then: http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/exclusive_fallout-3_ps3360-comparison-video

See what I meant now? I mean, can you honestly say they look the same quality? because I think not, by far...

Either way, it was a thread about ps3 slim not fallout 3.

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@travis

If you're running it through anything other than HDMI and you haven't got HDMI set to the maximum resolution then the image will be downsampled giving the impression of antialiasing alongside standard definition.

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well i got mine on a 19´ flatsceen hdtv with hd cables (not hdmi) and it looks fine.

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Quote: "hd cables"


Haha... component sucks.

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hey! i have hdmi too its just that my tv doesnt support it. trust me i would use hdmi if my tv supported it

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